I probably should have watched it instead of watching Deliverance.Dioufy wrote:He did say he was British, and he's always felt he was.
Lower top 10.Dioufy wrote:Just out of interest, if you would've classed Afolabi as British, where in the list would you have entered him, if at all?
he said on the show he is a British Passport holder / Citizen.Horse wrote:I missed the show. Is there an internet link to his interview?stujones wrote:Hope Ola Afolabi will be considered after what he said on Bunce's show. He's a Brit. He moved to the US in his late teens for the boxing, Britain is his home.
I considered entering Afolabi this month, but I decided against it as I thought it was unlikely he would continue his career in Britain. Did he say he was going to be British based from now on?
I will consider entering him after his next win, if I am more assured of his British indentity.
Haye, Hide and Lewis were all British based for large portions of their careers. Afolabi has only had one fight here. This is a British P4P ranking, so I think fighting in Britiain or Ireland is important.stujones wrote:Why should he have to be "british based" - with Haye at Heavy, he is more likely to earn money in Europe or America- just as Herbie Hide is doing.
He was born in the UK and spent longer (I think) in the UK than Lennox Lewis did.
I am not convinced he is British. Is he a British citizen?stujones wrote:If you are convinced he is British, why wait till he next fights (and even more he next wins).... It could be 6 months down the line and Enzo will be still ranked above him.
Hatton's only bothered to fight once in Britain in years, maybe think about sacking him off the list ???Horse wrote:Haye, Hide and Lewis were all British based for large portions of their careers. Afolabi has only had one fight here. This is a British P4P ranking, so I think fighting in Britiain or Ireland is important.stujones wrote:Why should he have to be "british based" - with Haye at Heavy, he is more likely to earn money in Europe or America- just as Herbie Hide is doing.
He was born in the UK and spent longer (I think) in the UK than Lennox Lewis did.
I am not convinced he is British. Is he a British citizen?stujones wrote:If you are convinced he is British, why wait till he next fights (and even more he next wins).... It could be 6 months down the line and Enzo will be still ranked above him.
Enzo is not ranked above him, as Afolabi is currently ineligible for inclusion.
I didn't see it, but I will take your word for it. Is he also an American citizen?Finch wrote:he said on the show he is a British Passport holder / Citizen.
Hatton has fought the vast majority of his career in Britain and will likely fight here again.Finch wrote:Hatton's only bothered to fight once in Britain in years, maybe think about sacking him off the list ???
Does (joint) citizenship count as having that nationality?Finch wrote:Shouldn't matter where they fight, it's nationality that counts.
He has an American accent and fights out of the United States. I don't see the point in ranking a fighter whose future fights I will quite likely not be able to see, and who only has a questionable British identity.stujones wrote:He's British. Born in Britain raised in Britain and holds a British passport. He opted to fight in the states cause there is better sparring, money and coaches.
I want to wait and see if there is any change in his circumstances. If he decided to fight out of Britain that might be enough for me to decide he is "British enough".stujones wrote:What I think you misunderstood my other point... you said you "might" consider him after his next win. Why does he have to win before you consider him? Why can't you just say "yep okay, I didn't realise how British he was - I'll consider him next month"?
If he loses then his exclusion is not really that important.stujones wrote:What happens if he loses to a good fighter? Does he still not make the P4P list even though you have decide he is elligable? Its surely not a long process to decide if he is elligable or not. So if you decide him elligable, then why wait till his next fight? cause it will look silly an elligable fighter not even in the 30 when Maccrinelli is knocking on the door of the top 10.
Are you sure he is eligible for the British title?stujones wrote:It is a British rankings, but Ola is elligable to fight for the British title... some of the fighters on your list are not.
How do you know that? Are you sure that is the case?banjo wrote:If you are born in Britain then you are eligible
Well I can't say for certain but if you can be born outside of Britain and fight for the British title(for example Honeyghan and Hope) then I'm pretty confident that if you are born here then you should have no problem.Horse wrote:How do you know that? Are you sure that is the case?banjo wrote:If you are born in Britain then you are eligible
He is a british citizen and a former Caius boy ( Battersea Boys Club) - he is British!Horse wrote:Haye, Hide and Lewis were all British based for large portions of their careers. Afolabi has only had one fight here. This is a British P4P ranking, so I think fighting in Britiain or Ireland is important.stujones wrote:Why should he have to be "british based" - with Haye at Heavy, he is more likely to earn money in Europe or America- just as Herbie Hide is doing.
He was born in the UK and spent longer (I think) in the UK than Lennox Lewis did.
I am not convinced he is British. Is he a British citizen?stujones wrote:If you are convinced he is British, why wait till he next fights (and even more he next wins).... It could be 6 months down the line and Enzo will be still ranked above him.
Enzo is not ranked above him, as Afolabi is currently ineligible for inclusion.
I don't think it is that simple.banjo wrote:Well I can't say for certain but if you can be born outside of Britain and fight for the British title(for example Honeyghan and Hope) then I'm pretty confident that if you are born here then you should have no problem.
But he is U.S. based and I believe he is also an U.S. citizen.DG. wrote:He is a british citizen and a former Caius boy ( Battersea Boys Club) - he is British!
Horse wrote:I don't think it is that simple.banjo wrote:Well I can't say for certain but if you can be born outside of Britain and fight for the British title(for example Honeyghan and Hope) then I'm pretty confident that if you are born here then you should have no problem.
But he is U.S. based and I believe he is also an U.S. citizen.DG. wrote:He is a british citizen and a former Caius boy ( Battersea Boys Club) - he is British!
He fought Kiko twice, an Armenian who came to fight but was outclassed for the whole fight and two fighters who quit. He deserves to be in the top 20 but not top 10. Munroe is massively overrated.Horse wrote:He beat Kiko Martinez twice who has a win over WBA interim champion Bernard Dunne. He is also the super bantamweight champion with four defences. To rank him at about 18th would be ridiculous. I think his current position is well deserved.CEO_Hoodlem wrote:Why is Rendall Munroe so high up!!!! Who has he beat in world class. He should be about 18th
Horse wrote:Have you considered the possibility that some people might actually like this list?twenty six wrote:Have you all not rumbled it ?
By responding you are feeding his ego.
Doesn't matter what you say he will do his own thing.
Best thing to do is ignore his post each month.
Sooner or later he'll get the message - and f off.
I do listen to what posters have to say and I take it into account when I make my decisions.
Why does my list offend you so?
I don't know about that. But, if you started boxing in Australia at a decent level, I would probably be reluctant to rank you in my top 30.DG. wrote:Well, If I move to Australia and become a citizen, do I give up my UK status?
I do not think so, but would like to know.
DG. wrote:Horse wrote:Have you considered the possibility that some people might actually like this list?
Who should take his place in the top 10? Cook, Maccarinelli or Arthur?brian13 wrote:He fought Kiko twice, an Armenian who came to fight but was outclassed for the whole fight and two fighters who quit. He deserves to be in the top 20 but not top 10. Munroe is massively overrated.
Adrian Stone fought out of Britain for the last few years of his career. Ola Afolabi is not a British based fighter.stujones wrote:He's as British as Adrian Stone - he has a British passport, he resides in the states... but he is elligable to fight for the British title. Waytne McCullough is a US citizen who hasn't fought in the UK much, but you kept him in cause he was elligable to fight for the British title. I didn't realise accent was so important.
It doesn't really matter, as I don't currently consider him to be British.stujones wrote:Of course it matters if he loses and you not ranking him. Say he fights Adameck and loses.... he's still beaten Enzo Mac and KO'd him - something that MUST simply be considered, considering Enzo Mac in in your top 15. It simply wouldn't make sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ola_Afolabi
twenty six wrote:Exclusive - Horse now head of UK Immigration.
brian13 wrote:He fought Kiko twice, an Armenian who came to fight but was outclassed for the whole fight and two fighters who quit. He deserves to be in the top 20 but not top 10. Munroe is massively overrated.Horse wrote:He beat Kiko Martinez twice who has a win over WBA interim champion Bernard Dunne. He is also the super bantamweight champion with four defences. To rank him at about 18th would be ridiculous. I think his current position is well deserved.CEO_Hoodlem wrote:Why is Rendall Munroe so high up!!!! Who has he beat in world class. He should be about 18th
Imagine if Horse was your boss.twenty six wrote:Exclusive - Horse now head of UK Immigration.
Asterix wrote:Imagine if Horse was your boss.twenty six wrote:Exclusive - Horse now head of UK Immigration.
"But Horse, I'm retired!"
"Not on my books, you're not. Get back in to work."
Asterix wrote:Imagine if Horse was your boss.
"But Horse, I'm retired!"
"Not on my books, you're not. Get back in to work."