Is Haye in for a rude awakening?

[FLINT ISLAND]

The reason why I start this thread is this.

Haye has looked vunerable and hurt at fights at crusierweight sometimes against medoirce opposition.

Alas - a 40 year old Carl Thompson exposed them flaws and vunreabilty when he came from behind to fight back and badly expose Haye and stop him.

Haye was alot more foolish and green at the time of the Carl Thompson fight and since the fight has without doubt improved and been unbeaten since and gone on and won European and WBC and WBA and WBO Crusierweight titles.

No - I am not doubting Hayes talent or punch power - he is a very good fighter.

However when he fought up at heavyweight last time against Monte Barrett - he once again looked vunreable and some flaws wwre evident. He also looked a somewhat green fighter in that fight- which can be expected considering he has only had 21 pro fights. Yes he smashed Monte in the end - once again Hayes power is not in question. But during the fight Haye struggled to reach Barret until he got tired a bit and Haye too was gassing himself from moving around the ring and using alot of energy to avoid Barretts aggressive forward attacks. Alas Haye was hurt himself and took a knee during that fight.

Despite all these concerns Haye has always been confident of slaying the Klit brothers.

Why?

What makes hims so confident?

From where I stand - haye has not mixed it with anyone who is such a force as either brother.

Is Haye confidence in beating the brothers well founded confidence?

Or is Haye in for one rude awakening against Wlad?

[n1ebf]

[quote="FLINT ISLAND]

Or is Haye in for one rude awakening against Wlad?[/quote]

yes he is but expect BundiniBrown to lick Haye's bum.

[banjo]

What makes hims so confident?

Oh jesus, I can see the headlines now "Contender For World Heavyweight Title Feeling Confident"

How the fvck is he meant to feel? "Oooh he's big isn't he? I'm really scared and can't sleep at night"

Good old internet.

[deadpan]

It's entirely plausible. The gulf in experience is wider than Rik Waller's buffet table. Wlad has had 15 world title fights plus has beaten 4 other world title challengers, yet Haye acts like Wlad's a chinless, hapless buffoon.

It could be a deep end drowning a la Lewis-Grant and a brutal exposure of all our deluded hopes akin to the opening moments of Tyson-Bruno 2.

I have a vision of David laid out with eyes in separate orbits and it won't go away.

Maybe a trip to the optician is in order.

[FLINT ISLAND]

What makes hims so confident?

Oh jesus, I can see the headlines now "Contender For World Heavyweight Title Feeling Confident"

How the fvck is he meant to feel? "Oooh he's big isn't he? I'm really scared and can't sleep at night"

Good old internet.

Yes a fighter being confident is a given

Peter Mcneeley was sounding confident of KOing Mike Tyson for Gods sake.

Thats not really the point.

The key is - all this smack Haye is talking - is it well founded confidence - as in do you share that confidence that there is solid reason to believe he will beat Wlad

Or is this just empty confidence and there will be a painful rude awakening in store?

[BundiniBrown.]

The reason why I start this thread is this.

Haye has looked vunerable and hurt at fights at crusierweight sometimes against medoirce opposition.

Alas - a 40 year old Carl Thompson exposed them flaws and vunreabilty when he came from behind to fight back and badly expose Haye and stop him.

Haye was alot more foolish and green at the time of the Carl Thompson fight and since the fight has without doubt improved and been unbeaten since and gone on and won European and WBC and WBA and WBO Crusierweight titles.

No - I am not doubting Hayes talent or punch power - he is a very good fighter.

However when he fought up at heavyweight last time against Monte Barrett - he once again looked vunreable and some flaws wwre evident. He also looked a somewhat green fighter in that fight- which can be expected considering he has only had 21 pro fights. Yes he smashed Monte in the end - once again Hayes power is not in question. But during the fight Haye struggled to reach Barret until he got tired a bit and Haye too was gassing himself from moving around the ring and using alot of energy to avoid Barretts aggressive forward attacks. Alas Haye was hurt himself and took a knee during that fight.

Despite all these concerns Haye has always been confident of slaying the Klit brothers.

Why?

What makes hims so confident?

From where I stand - haye has not mixed it with anyone who is such a force as either brother.

Is Haye confidence in beating the brothers well founded confidence?

Or is Haye in for one rude awakening against Wlad?

Shame you could'nt write a post like this about Macrinelli before Haye smashed him.

[rhino222]

i have this vision of wladimirs jab giving hay some problems early on in the fight, it might even put him down, it is an absolute ram rod telegraph pole of a jab.

[lefthook82]

I think he will be in for one

I would be more confident if he actually had fights at HW. One fight against an almost
complete stylistic opposite 7 MONTHS AGO is not preperation for Vlad

I reckon his timing will be off like it was early doors for the Barrett fight but this time he'll pay the price

[Cannibal]

I've spent some time watching through Wlad's back catalogue and I think his one GLARING weakness is that he can not for the life of him see a straight left coming out of a southpaw position.

Watch the third round of his first fight against Brewster. Brewster momentarily switches to southpaw, confusing Klitschko. He fakes a right jab and nails Wlad with a straight left and he gets rocked, but manages to stay on his feet.

Also watch the fight where he was stopped by Corrie Sanders and count the amount of times he lands a straight left in the space of 1.5 rounds.

If I were Haye, I would be working on fighting southpaw and change to it during the fight to surprise Wlad and nail him.

[iron rhino]

I've spent some time watching through Wlad's back catalogue and I think his one GLARING weakness is that he can not for the life of him see a straight left coming out of a southpaw position.

Watch the third round of his first fight against Brewster. Brewster momentarily switches to southpaw, confusing Klitschko. He fakes a right jab and nails Wlad with a straight left and he gets rocked, but manages to stay on his feet.

Also watch the fight where he was stopped by Corrie Sanders and count the amount of times he lands a straight left in the space of 1.5 rounds.

If I were Haye, I would be working on fighting southpaw and change to it during the fight to surprise Wlad and nail him.

Good call!

[FLINT ISLAND]

I have actually made open prediction that Haye KO Wlad in 5 rounds

I done this not to sit on the fence

However I could be getting this very wrong

I have gone for Hayes speed and movement to keep him out of trouble and power to eventually nail Wlad

I have no doubt that Haye does have the power to KO Wlad - but he has to nail him - and he has to avoid Wlad's power and that is going to take a lot of energy keeping a big guy off him like that

Haye might be out of his depth here - that is the worry - the opening round will tell alot - can he even be competitive with Wlad?

If its a even fight - Hayes bigger heart and desire will win - but Wlad holds all the aces - and this could be a case of a big powerful heavyweight champion dismantling a former good but vunerable Crusierweight champion

Remeber Vitali was too much for a former cgood cruiserweight NO 1 in his last fight

But no - I'm not sitting on the fence

I'm going for Hayes speed and elusivness to keep him out of troule and his speed and power to nail Wlad and KO 5 win for Haye

[Dioufy]

The Thompson fight has no bearing at all - he has leaned from that fight and that's all that matters.

I think the Mock fights holds more relevence.

Just hope his legs went like that due to making weight.

Haye KO5

[ERIC GUY]

Well, after reading these posts, I hope that David wins the title and brings it back to Britain,
I just support our man,

[Deadendgeneration]

Pretty sure I would be supporting Haye even if he wasn't British. He brings a lot more interest to the heavys which really need it. Can't help but feel it'll end in him flat on his back but I hope not.


Anyone at all see this fight making it to the 11th? I got paid today and am debating exactly how much I should bet on it not making it to there.

[BABY BLUE]

What makes hims so confident?

Oh jesus, I can see the headlines now "Contender For World Heavyweight Title Feeling Confident"

How the fvck is he meant to feel? "Oooh he's big isn't he? I'm really scared and can't sleep at night"

Good old internet.

LOl. the same old crap .

[J]

Haye knows he is up against the bigggest and best fighter he's ever faced. He knows he can easily come out of this with a loss if he isn't razor sharp on the night.

And David was a kid when he fought Thompson, wasn't it like his 13th fight? I was speaking to Kevin Iole about this the other day, what is with people they don't get that fight was a long time ago, that Carl was a effing world class fighter that Haye took it too early?

quite right and he beat the shiot out of him for 3 rounds how thompson was standing adfter the 2nd ill never know.

Carl "night of the living dead" thompson haha.

Was there with a few from here, Ian Jimmy Mc, Might W, few came back to mine til gone dawn for a partee think I met payney that night too aaah good times.

[alexpaterson]

I think he will alright Wlad doesnt have the best chin but if he keeps his distance and holds on the inside Haye wont be able to land on him Wlad mid KOfor me

[Flav1]

Beyond the fight I hope people look back and appreciate what Haye's trying to do. The Klitch brothers aren't even a a draw, I'd go so far as to call them both boring fighters. Nothing other than a Haye will be good for boxing.

[MR UNTOUCHABLE]

If Haye doesn't catch Wlad in the first 3 round I just think he will get KO'd.

He does 100% have the power to drop Wlad but if he doesn't do it early then I think it will run away from him and do so quickly!

[DavidPayne]

Haye knows he is up against the bigggest and best fighter he's ever faced. He knows he can easily come out of this with a loss if he isn't razor sharp on the night.

And David was a kid when he fought Thompson, wasn't it like his 13th fight? I was speaking to Kevin Iole about this the other day, what is with people they don't get that fight was a long time ago, that Carl was a effing world class fighter that Haye took it too early?

quite right and he beat the shiot out of him for 3 rounds how thompson was standing adfter the 2nd ill never know.

Carl "night of the living dead" thompson haha.

Was there with a few from here, Ian Jimmy Mc, Might W, few came back to mine til gone dawn for a partee think I met payney that night too aaah good times. :TU:

Good fight, no great event fight. Yep, that was the night I met you lot, though I didn't go for the party after. I watched the fight again last week, I was suprised to see how many times Thompson thudded the jab home in the first two rounds, I dont remember him landing a shot.

Old man Thompson stops unbeaten Haye in 5

[Counter-puncher]

I've spent some time watching through Wlad's back catalogue and I think his one GLARING weakness is that he can not for the life of him see a straight left coming out of a southpaw position.

Watch the third round of his first fight against Brewster. Brewster momentarily switches to southpaw, confusing Klitschko. He fakes a right jab and nails Wlad with a straight left and he gets rocked, but manages to stay on his feet.

Also watch the fight where he was stopped by Corrie Sanders and count the amount of times he lands a straight left in the space of 1.5 rounds.

If I were Haye, I would be working on fighting southpaw and change to it during the fight to surprise Wlad and nail him.

Good call!

a nice idea in theory but a potentially very dangerous one IMO> not sure how much time you've spent switch-hitting but it's not something you can pick up in a few sessions or just throw in there like horses-for-courses when you think it'll work. it took me maybe a year before i was remotely happy with balance/form etc and that's just shadowboxing(i suppose you could say that's why i am not a world class boxer and maybe it'll be easier for someone of Haye's talent) then in sparring there's a whole new set of lessons to (painfully) learn. you tend to make big glaring errors with footwork and defence while you're doing it, not just squaring up whilst you're transitioning from one stance to another but leaving yourself open because you get your angles all wrong. i would say, though, that it could be fruitful for Haye switching when Klit is trying to grab on the inside, get the lead right hook over the pawing left hand.

[Carbo]

I have actually made open prediction that Haye KO Wlad in 5 rounds

I done this not to sit on the fence

However I could be getting this very wrong

I have gone for Hayes speed and movement to keep him out of trouble and power to eventually nail Wlad

I have no doubt that Haye does have the power to KO Wlad - but he has to nail him - and he has to avoid Wlad's power and that is going to take a lot of energy keeping a big guy off him like that

Haye might be out of his depth here - that is the worry - the opening round will tell alot - can he even be competitive with Wlad?

If its a even fight - Hayes bigger heart and desire will win - but Wlad holds all the aces - and this could be a case of a big powerful heavyweight champion dismantling a former good but vunerable Crusierweight champion

Remeber Vitali was too much for a former cgood cruiserweight NO 1 in his last fight

But no - I'm not sitting on the fence

I'm going for Hayes speed and elusivness to keep him out of troule and his speed and power to nail Wlad and KO 5 win for Haye

So you're not sitting on the fence, but it could go either way?

[J]

Haye knows he is up against the bigggest and best fighter he's ever faced. He knows he can easily come out of this with a loss if he isn't razor sharp on the night.

And David was a kid when he fought Thompson, wasn't it like his 13th fight? I was speaking to Kevin Iole about this the other day, what is with people they don't get that fight was a long time ago, that Carl was a effing world class fighter that Haye took it too early?

quite right and he beat the shiot out of him for 3 rounds how thompson was standing adfter the 2nd ill never know.

Carl "night of the living dead" thompson haha.

Was there with a few from here, Ian Jimmy Mc, Might W, few came back to mine til gone dawn for a partee think I met payney that night too aaah good times.

Good fight, no great event fight. Yep, that was the night I met you lot, though I didn't go for the party after. I watched the fight again last week, I was suprised to see how many times Thompson thudded the jab home in the first two rounds, I dont remember him landing a shot.

Old man Thompson stops unbeaten Haye in 5

i dont remember much in fairness.

[Asterix]

Manny Steward thinks Haye is genius. Very funny pic in here, too.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 13,00.html

[Spud]

To answer the title of the thread:

Yep Haye is in for a rude awakening!!! - of that I have no doubts!!!

Its going to be one of those wars where Nigel Benn was - on the verge of defeat and then Mr Haye will pull out a punch!!

Haye will win!!!