Tyson - Williams Weigh in pic

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 30 Jul 2004, 06:12

The way Mike was kissing Lewis after the fight I think he might have dropped an E.

When asked yesterday, he said he migh've smoked a bit of weed before the Lewis fight ( joke I think ) maybe Lennox sold it to him.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 30 Jul 2004, 06:56

Can someone tell me in stones and pounds how much Danny weighs?

J · Post by J » 30 Jul 2004, 06:57

18 stone 9

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:00

J wrote:18 stone 9

18 Stone 13.

He's a pound under 19stone.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:02

Danny has come in at a career heaviest for the biggest fight of his career!

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:02

I think someone hit it on the head when they mentioned how Lewis and especially Holyfield, pushed Tyson back. If you just lean on Tyson's shoulders you're asking for it, but if you claim him properly, prevent him working and push him off, you can counter him. And remember, Tyson's legs aren't what they used to be. Holyfield and Lewis bullied him on the inside – so did Botha if you remember.

Even at his peak, if you tied him up properly, Tyson was actually pretty ineffective on the inside (see Bonecrusher fight).

I don't think Danny is particularly strong on the inside, hence the bulking up – his arms look even bigger than usual.

However, Danny doesn't look fazed at all which is good and with Jimmy Mac being behind him every day for weeks, Danny will be in great shape, no doubt about that.

What I will say, is that Danny's not fighting at home and won't get no favours – plus, if the referee is a fusspot, Danny's in trouble because he'll get points taken off if he's going to pull Tyson's head down and wrestle.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:03

bennie wrote:Can someone tell me in stones and pounds how much Danny weighs?

My secret suspicions have been confirmed........Bennie is Kovit!!!

J · Post by J » 30 Jul 2004, 07:03

knockout artist wrote:
J wrote:18 stone 9
18 Stone 13.

He's a pound under 19stone.

oops of course 18.9 stone = 18 stone 13 pounds.
sorry.
anyway Too frigging heavy.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:04

How can Danny justify what he weighs! It's ludicrous.

Exile · Post by **Exile** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:24

Sky sports news have just said that Tyson weighed in at 15st 7lb and Danny at 17st 9lb.

Looking at the pictures Danny looks F'n HUGE

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:28

I'm astonished at Danny's weight. Tyson is heavy, too (he weighed 16st 1¾lbs for the Etienne blastout). Neither fighter is in shape.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:39

Tyson has been out of the ring for a long time so can be forgiven for being slightly over, Williams however in the fight of his life coming in at that weight is unforgivable.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Jul 2004, 07:52

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'll tell you what Danny should do, is what Lewis and Holyfield both did to good effect, and that is to push Tyson off when he comes in. Holyfield did this to Tyson in their first fight, and what shocked me was how much stronger than Tyson he seemed to be, I remember how he was tossing Tyson around like a rag doll.

You may well be right, I've said before that the biggest weakness in Tysons fighting style is that he CANNOT fight on the backfoot. This is one of the reasons I've always picked a prime Foreman over a prime Tyson. I also think the reason Holyfield could manhandle Tyson wasn't just down to physical strength, it was also down to Tysons diminished balance and footwork.

However Danny Williams doesn't have the chin of Lewis or Holyfield which helped them stand up to Tyson, also Lewis and Holyfield were not intimidated by Tyson, but will Williams be?

I'd love to see Williams win this but see it following a simular path to Tyson Vs Bruno 2, even though Tyson is nearly shot I still think he is a class above Williams.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:04

Definitely a class above. The best guy Williams has fought is Sanil Sam who whalloped him. He really hasnt fought and beaten anyone of note he will get blasted out and quickly.

People need to face the fact that Williams has never been that good. It's all been talk of what he can do in the gym and all this nonsense at the end of the day he has been woeful in his last 6 fights. I think the only time he ever impressed me was in the second Francis fight other than that he has been a letdown since I can remember. I cant see any reasons he will change all of a sudden can anyone really see it?

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:06

I don't know anyone is shocked at Danny's weight.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:39

Exile wrote:Sky sports news have just said that Tyson weighed in at 15st 7lb and Danny at 17st 9lb.

Looking at the pictures Danny looks F'n HUGE

Well, my guess is they can't fornicating add, because 265lbs is actually 18st 13 lbs.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:41

It's incredible how much Danny can squeeze into that 6ft'3 frame. 265 pounds, mostly muscle. I personally like the weight, i think he can drain Tyson a little in the clinches.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:43

adamiw wrote:It's incredible how much Danny can squeeze into that 6ft'3 frame. 265 pounds, mostly muscle. I personally like the weight, i think he can drain Tyson a little in the clinches.

Maybe, but Bruno didn't.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:46

Bruno had no idea how to hold on and survive, he was always wide open to be smashed to bits.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:49

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Bruno had no idea how to hold on and survive, he was always wide open to be smashed to bits.

But do you think Wtlliams will be any better at holding and surviving? I doubt it.

Actually when I mentioned Bruno I was thinking more along the strength, weight and size lines.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 30 Jul 2004, 08:52

All I keep thinking is Sprott had Williams well hurt in their third fight on a couple of occasions and he is no puncher. Williams doesnt have the chin or heart to beat Tyson.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Jul 2004, 09:00

KOJOE90 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Bruno had no idea how to hold on and survive, he was always wide open to be smashed to bits.
But do you think Wtlliams will be any better at holding and surviving? I doubt it.

Actually when I mentioned Bruno I was thinking more along the strength, weight and size lines.

Bruno had a different kind of strength, he was a lot stiffer than Danny, which hampered him in using those muscles. I think Danny is naturally a much much bigger man than Bruno, who never weighed more than about 240 as I remember, and was 'pumped up' with weight training. Danny's strength is more natural, he was in the 240's even early in his career.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Jul 2004, 09:21

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Bruno had no idea how to hold on and survive, he was always wide open to be smashed to bits.
But do you think Wtlliams will be any better at holding and surviving? I doubt it.

Actually when I mentioned Bruno I was thinking more along the strength, weight and size lines.
Bruno had a different kind of strength, he was a lot stiffer than Danny, which hampered him in using those muscles. I think Danny is naturally a much much bigger man than Bruno, who never weighed more than about 240 as I remember, and was 'pumped up' with weight training. Danny's strength is more natural, he was in the 240's even early in his career.

I'm not so sure mate, Danny may naturally be slightly bigger than Bruno and less stiff, but I've always been of the opinion that Bruno was physically stronger than Danny. In all of Bruno's fights he appeared as strong if not stronger than almost all of his opponents it terms of pure physical strength. That's not something I feel I can say about Danny Williams.

This time tommorrow of course we may have learnt more.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Jul 2004, 09:29

I've stood next to both men, and Danny Williams has a much bigger frame. He has broader shoulders, a deeper chest, and a much bigger waist, his legs are also much bigger. Bruno was very strong, but in a very 'unelastic' way. It's worth noting that the guys he was stronger than were mostly hand picked bums.

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 30 Jul 2004, 09:37

From what I've seen I dont' think, for all his size, Williams is the strongest heavyweight out there. Remember round 3 against Keith Long. Danny couldn't cope with Long's strength and was stung by uppercuts and Sinal Samil Sam pretty much bullied him out of it.

If he gets caught up inside without tying Tyson up properly then he's out of there. Danny's got to set himself and push Tyson back before he gets too close to do any damage – Then he must launch the right hand as Tyson, as he does a lot, falls back onto his heels before resetting himself to attack again.