Is it straight into a title fight for danny??

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:20

Is it straight into a title fight or how about put him in with another big name heavy, he beats them gets more cash,,, builts up name even more and then platform is set for the a title shot.

What would you say about: Rahman?? JOE Mesi??? Jirvo???? you think any of these guys would be a good choice for him, can he beat them all ??/

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:24

A 2nd Tier opponent then title shot. I think it would be foolish to drop down a level. They need to keep Danny alive and motivated.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:45

yes, straight into a title shot, He needs to make the most of this. He could fight a 2nd tier opponent, and lose....and there goes his big payday.

There's only any point in fighting a second tier opponent if big money is involved. So perhaps Tyson again or Holyfield

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:46

God, I don't want to see Holyfield in the ring again ever.

Did anyone else notice how much better Holyfield's speech sounded, now that he's been out of the ring for a while?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:49

warren will get him straight into a title fight......................

WBU v Kandelaki

Don King hold the WBA, WBO and IBF belts doesnt he???

Vitali will probably want to be beat the man who beat the man, and i cannot imagine people are queueing up to fight Vitali

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:51

knockout wrote:warren will get him straight into a title fight......................

WBU v Kandelaki

Don King hold the WBA, WBO and IBF belts doesnt he???

Vitali will probably want to be beat the man who beat the man, and i cannot imagine people are queueing up to fight Vitali

Vitali's in talks to fight Roy Jones. But Roy's a nightmare to do business with so that fight is still along way off. But i think Vitali would rather fight Roy.

Reeso · Post by **Reeso** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:54

Vitali would destroy williams within 2 rounds hope holyfield doesnt fight him tough it will just be another old past it great fighter on dannys record who he wouldnt have lived with in their primes

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 02 Aug 2004, 10:58

Reeso wrote:Vitali would destroy williams within 2 rounds hope holyfield doesnt fight him tough it will just be another old past it great fighter on dannys record who he wouldnt have lived with in their primes

Vitali seldom destroys anyone decent in 2 rounds, he is cautious early on.......

However Vitali would be huge favourite against Danny..

But that is the fight where the big money and is for the "real heavyweight title"

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Aug 2004, 11:10

Vitali would be a tall order (no pun) for Danny. He's so much bigger, and every bit as strong as Danny, and punches with more authority. He would bust Danny up with that jab, and would gradually wear him down. The only guy I see beating Vitali right now is Toney, and that's also a big ask.

Since his fight with Lewis, Vitali seems to have become a lot more aggressive too.

Chris the fighter · Post by **Chris the fighter** » 02 Aug 2004, 11:46

I think that Vitali is the only option as I doubt that Warren will want to work with King. I think Danny would have a chance with Brewster and Ruiz, I think that Byrd would be a little bit slippery for him and Vitali would break him down in the middle rounds. But for taking his big chance he deserves a shot and serious money. A mid level Heavy how about Barret or Guinn?

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 02 Aug 2004, 11:48

Chris the fighter wrote:I think that Vitali is the only option as I doubt that Warren will want to work with King. I think Danny would have a chance with Brewster and Ruiz, I think that Byrd would be a little bit slippery for him and Vitali would break him down in the middle rounds. But for taking his big chance he deserves a shot and serious money. A mid level Heavy how about Barret or Guinn?

those 2 fights are too dangerous, because he could lose without recieving a good payday in return.

Chris the fighter · Post by **Chris the fighter** » 02 Aug 2004, 11:52

Danny Williams was signed for King for a little while did he have a fight in his stable?

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 02 Aug 2004, 11:53

Chris the fighter wrote:Danny Williams was signed for King for a little while did he have a fight in his stable?

he beat that (shawn?) Robinson guy that Audley KOd in a round. Danny took 2.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Aug 2004, 11:59

adamiw wrote:
Chris the fighter wrote:I think that Vitali is the only option as I doubt that Warren will want to work with King. I think Danny would have a chance with Brewster and Ruiz, I think that Byrd would be a little bit slippery for him and Vitali would break him down in the middle rounds. But for taking his big chance he deserves a shot and serious money. A mid level Heavy how about Barret or Guinn?
those 2 fights are too dangerous, because he could lose without recieving a good payday in return.

Yes, Guinn is a bad risk v reward option. Same goes for the likes of Barrett, both of them are volume fighters who may just outpoint him. Williams might just catch Byrd at the right time, but remember, the judges are likely to be favouring the American fighter.

Chris the fighter · Post by **Chris the fighter** » 02 Aug 2004, 12:00

Thanks King had Eastman for a while as well I think

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Aug 2004, 12:03

Yes he did, I think he was under contract to king for the single fight with Joppy. Once he lost to Joppy, king lost interest and just sat on his hands until Eastman got bored.

Eastman really blew his chances there, he should have made more of an effort to beat Joppy, but was too busy trying to look good. That was i think, his one and only shot at a world title. Wasted opportunity, and he still harps on about how he was 'robbed' he simply didn't work hard enough. He kept going on about knocking Joppy down, sure that's a 10-8, but what about the rest of the fight?

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 02 Aug 2004, 14:54

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Vitali would be a tall order (no pun) for Danny. He's so much bigger, and every bit as strong as Danny, and punches with more authority. He would bust Danny up with that jab, and would gradually wear him down. The only guy I see beating Vitali right now is Toney, and that's also a big ask.

Since his fight with Lewis, Vitali seems to have become a lot more aggressive too.

Please tell me thats a typo and you didn't just write that you thought James Toney had even a chance against Vitali Klitchko. God, Toney is sooooooooooo overrated at heavy. He beat Evander who is ancient and was never a puncher at heavy anyway. Against any of the giants James Toney is going down and HARD. Lots of people think Toney is gonna just lie on the ropes and make Vitali miss with ease and start tagging him. Thats not gonna happen. The size difference here really is ridiculus, Toney is barely 5'10.

One the main things with Toney at heavy is his workrate or lack off, with him coming in at 220 against Evander he could only throw a few punches at a time and then hard to go to the ropes and rest, lucky for him Evanders stamina was even worse. It was particulary noticable in the 4th round of the Holyfield fight where he was tagging Holyfield a lot in the first 30 seconds but then had to retreat to the ropes for the next 2 minutes to recover. Toney would get the beating of his life against Vitali, I don't even rate Vitali either, I think his brother is a lot more talented only he lacks a chin and stamina.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 02 Aug 2004, 15:54

I think Monte Barrett and Jameel McCline would both be good non-title action. McCline is ranked high with the IBF and Barrett has a win over Guinn but is not great.

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 02 Aug 2004, 16:28

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:Please tell me thats a typo and you didn't just write that you thought James Toney had even a chance against Vitali Klitchko. God, Toney is sooooooooooo overrated at heavy. He beat Evander who is ancient and was never a puncher at heavy anyway. Against any of the giants James Toney is going down and HARD.

I dunno if I have as low an opinion of Toney as a heavy as Lefthook, but I'm definately staying firmly off the bandwagon until he beats a good, big heavyweight. Yes, he looked a million dollars against Evander, but I think an awful lot of fighters would at this point in Holyfield's career. The McCline fight would've been a good benchmark. I'm not convinced the Rydell Booker (a fellow former cruiser) fight will tell us much. Toney's a great fighter, and a great character, but I'm surprised how many people seem quick to pin the tag of great heavyweight on him before we see how he actually deals with a live heavy.