P4P

[DG.]

'It will make me the best fighter taking a breath, the best champion out of all the champions'


HAS THS BOY TAKEN LEAVE OF HIS SENSES?

FFS

Hatton is taking the piss.


I know, 'ANOTHER Haton thread'..

[landon]

hatton pound 4 pound..... bollocks

[metropol]

Honestly dg i dont pay too much attention to what boxers say anymore its always the same and rarely interesting, do you honestly expect anything else?

[DG.]

Honestly dg i dont pay too much attention to what boxers say anymore its always the same and rarely interesting, do you honestly expect anything else?

For some reason when said it I thought 'does he think we are all stupid?'

[crusader]

Only Hatton nutboys or non boxing fans who think Ricky Hatton is the only boxer on the planet. No fair observor who knows boxing would place Hatton in the #1 spot, but I think most people know that.

[gobbles]

Who will be pound-for-pound No 1? And where should Hatton be then? Always on here it is insult, putdown, slag off. Anyone who is a fan or positive gets slated or insulted.
If you are the experts you all seem to think you are, who would be No 1? Marquez? Surely not above Pacquiao. Hopkins? Mosley? Not easy right now is it?
Taking all the emotion out of it, Hatton will only have lost to one fighter, who is now retired. So he has every right to make a case for himself.

[banjo]

No such thing as P4P #1 it's a mythical title made up by fanboys.

[jeej]

i think there have been a few threads about this, he obviously isn't going to number 1. top 5 though imo. if he fought and beat the winner of pbf-jmm then i'd give it to him.

Agreed.

[Cannibal]

It really depends on the manner of victory doesn't it? If he smashes Pac up and dominates him before a stoppage then he might have a case. If he squeaks a SD by wrestling his way to it, then it wouldn't look near as good.

If he did in the unlikely event manage to smash Pac up, he would only hold the mantle for a heart beat until Floyd fought. If Floyd looks anything like his old self then he retakes it automatically.

[MecnunK]

sky adverts are not helping by building it up as the battle for best p4p fighter...I caught a bit of it on one of the channels and it made me sick.

[lefthook82]

If he wins this fight he'll probably get knighted , never mind lb for lb shit

[jeej]

You laugh, but it seems likely.

[Carbo]

No such thing as P4P #1 it's a mythical title made up by fanboys.

I wonder what the hell this is supposed to mean? You make it sound like the Minotaur.

It's not mythical, and it does exist, because I see it every month in Ring.

I think clearly, if Hatton wins, JM Marquez becomes number one, and Hatton somewhere in the top five, alongside Paquiao. Maybe you'd have to put Hatton at 2 to resolve some of the position problems.

[Finch]

sky adverts are not helping by building it up as the battle for best p4p fighter...I caught a bit of it on one of the channels and it made me sick.

Noticed this too.

Sky are shithouses.

[Poncey]

I will.

[Spud]

I will.

Clearly it would be a fantastic victory - brilliant!!!

However to call him the P4P No 1 is taking it too far now that PBF has announced his arrival back into the sport!!!

PBF is exceptional and there is no way on this earth Ricky ever beats him!!!

[Poncey]

From Ric Flair;

To be the man, you gotta beat the man!

Come July 18th, however, my view will change as one of those two will take over.

[crusader]

From Ric Flair;

To be the man, you gotta beat the man!

Come July 18th, however, my view will change as one of those two will take over.

Are you suggesting (not saying you are) that simply beating the #1 p4p makes that fighter the new p4p king ? If so would David Diaz be the p4p king if he landed a lucky hayemaker and knocked out Pac? He would've "beaten the man".

One also has to take into account that Pac is moving up in weight for about the ninth time to a division he has never fought in against a much bigger man. If they were naturally the same size Hatton's chances of winning would be far less.

To use an extreme example if Wlad was considered in the top 15 p4p and beat a guy like Hopkins, he wouldn't suddenly take his place among the top 3. Obviously this fight isn't to that extent, but if Hatton wins I think it will be largely due to his size advantage, which is the whole reason p4p lists were created, to negate that factor when assessing fighters abilities and resumes.

A win over Pac is certainly significant for Hatton but I don't see how he can be ranked above JMM or Hopkins, not to mention Floyd is back in the mix and anyone that has Hatton ranked above him is not thinking straight or logically, there thinking more with patriotism.

[Poncey]

It's been done to death on this board and I just want the fight to come. You lot think what you will and I'll think what I will.

[dondada]

How many people here will actually call Ricky Hatton the pound for pound number 1 fighter on the planet if he beats Pacman on Saturday? Please sign in here.

search - do a poll on this - I'd be really interested. It's nonsense.

The BBC Radio 5 Live news even led this morning with 'Ricky Hatton's attempt to become the best pound for pound boxer in the world...'

Erm, no.

[dondada]

i think there have been a few threads about this, he obviously isn't going to number 1. top 5 though imo. if he fought and beat the winner of pbf-jmm then i'd give it to him.

Agreed.

Me three.

[pasty_spud]

hatton is'nt and never will be p4p material...




and i'm a huge hatton fan.....not a "fanboy" though

[Lenny]

Two of the things I have heard most in the build up to this fight are

1. Hatton will be pound for pound number 1 if he wins this fight
2. Hatton will win because of his size

Doesn't make sense does it.

Bottom line is it's a great fight and I personally don't need this to be mentioned every time it's talked about. I agree with Banjo as well, p4p is personal opinion. There is no way of proving you are p4p the best fighter in all the weight divisions and now it's being talked about like a title. Great another title, just what we need.

If Hatton wins then it's further proof he is the best 140 pound fighter on the planet. Surely that is enough?

[tobyh5]

I personally laugh when I hear Hatton say that is he fighting to be the best in the world p4p. It is a ridiculous thing to say as the p4p title is not a title that gets past from fighter to fighter.

beating the p4p #1 guy does not mean you take over from him.

Hopkins was #1 when he lost to Taylor, did Taylor become #1?
Tyson was #1 when he lost to Douglas, did Douglas become #1?
Oscar was #1 when he lost to Trinidad, did Trinidad become #1?

The pound for pound rankings are not about who beat who but about evaluating every fighter on the planet and deciding how they rate on ability etc. The person considered the best regardless of weight is then made number one and so it goes down to two, three, four etc.

[crusader]

. I agree with Banjo as well, p4p is personal opinion.

If Hatton wins then it's further proof he is the best 140 pound fighter on the planet. Surely that is enough?

Not to get overly philosophical but saying Ricky Hatton is the best at 140 is a personal opinion too, as is any argument in boxing that states that one boxer is better than all the others, (ie Manny Pacquiao is or is not the best p4p fighter, Carl Froch is or is not #1 at 168). What if I think Tim Bradley is the best at 140 right now? He certainly has recent wins that would make a case for it. Even saying Carl Froch is better than Jermaine Taylor is a personal opinion, because one might think Taylor simply had an off night and at 100% would take Froch to school.

I don't have any problems with the p4p list and I don't think its rocket science to compare fighters accomplishments and talents even if they are separated by multiple weight classes. For example Bernard Hopkins has clearly beaten a higher level of opposition than Mzoke Fana, JML has knocked out more world class opponents compared to Zuri Lawrence, and so on. So one would say Hopkins is p4p a better fighter than Fana and JML is a p4p harder hitter than Lawrence. At least thats the formula I use