I will not break retirement to fight Froch, says Calzaghe

[FLINT ISLAND]

As for the thread

Joe Calzaghe lives at Cowards Cove

He had the last 5 years to fight Froch but he chose to fight bums like Peter Manfredo instead and deny the public a British super fight

If he is retired now then fair enough - but this fight could have happened anytime from 2005 onwards

Froch would have probaly lost but it would have been a good scrap and a tough fight - Froch wanted it

But its the same with Jonny Nelson fighting Enzo Maccarenelli - Jonny Nelson retired with a injury but he had the last 4 years before he retired to fight Enzo and chose to avoid him and fight bums instead

COWARDS COVE

[tonyevs]

froch goes to america, with an eye infection, in his 1st defence, scores a late KO - and he's "lucky". my, oh my.
:

Isn`t there always an excuse as to why he got hit so much? .. eye infection this time .. ear problem last time

froch showed some vulnerablities but will move on and improve,
:

Have you forgotten that Adamu was bouncing right handers off Froch 5yrs ago .. five years later the same thing is still happening ..

as for instance adamek did - a man who took shocking punishment in his first 3 US fights and is now lineal cruiserweight king. when you take risks things can go wrong. again i will repeat, froch's win over taylor was more conclusive than joe's lucky win over hopkins

Joes win over Hopkins was tight, but up untill the stoppage .. 14seconds to go .. Froch losing clearly to Taylor

calzaghe hasn't annihilated anyone in a long time. lacy took 100 shots a round yet still made the distance.

But you miss the point of Calzaghe being good enough to land 100 shots a round on Lacy .. lacy was all at sea towards the end of the fight ... Calzaghe really did `break him down` in the real sense, rather than how Froch won over Taylor because Taylor just gassed it due to his well publisized stamina problems .. was Froch landing that many shots on Taylor to really say he wore him down?

D froch has just got a win to equal joe's beating of lacy. froch does it in 1st defence, calzaghe does it in 16th defence

Absolutely not, Taylor lost 2 of his last 3fights before facing Froch .. Lacy was unbeaten
Froch struggled to win the title .. and was 14seconds from losing it in his 1st defence against a guy having his 3rd fight at the weight .. and some have said, a couple years past his best..

[MRPLOW182]

Froch just needs to realise that Calzaghe is the proven welsh warrior... He the best and no man can test.

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

I'm starting to wonder if Carl Froch is actually here himself, posting under various names. The same OLD anti Calzaghe rant being recycled again and again and again..... and again. Im sure if you looked back over Froch's record you'll find yourself a few bums, haven't heard that mentioned yet.

Can't people just get over it? JC will not fight Froch because he knows he lacks class and respect (and ability).

Excellent post, but please dont expect much support from the joyless misers who inhabit this forum.

In 10, 15 years time they will still be here wittering on about how Lacy was a bum, Kessler was boring, Hopkins was 55 years old and Jones was actually a ghost.

and Autobarn will still be wondering why he didnt come out of retirement to fight Lucian Bute or Denns Inkin.

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

froch goes to america, with an eye infection, in his 1st defence, scores a late KO - and he's "lucky". my, oh my.
:

Isn`t there always an excuse as to why he got hit so much? .. eye infection this time .. ear problem last time

froch showed some vulnerablities but will move on and improve,
:

Have you forgotten that Adamu was bouncing right handers off Froch 5yrs ago .. five years later the same thing is still happening ..

as for instance adamek did - a man who took shocking punishment in his first 3 US fights and is now lineal cruiserweight king. when you take risks things can go wrong. again i will repeat, froch's win over taylor was more conclusive than joe's lucky win over hopkins

Joes win over Hopkins was tight, but up untill the stoppage .. 14seconds to go .. Froch losing clearly to Taylor

calzaghe hasn't annihilated anyone in a long time. lacy took 100 shots a round yet still made the distance.

But you miss the point of Calzaghe being good enough to land 100 shots a round on Lacy .. lacy was all at sea towards the end of the fight ... Calzaghe really did `break him down` in the real sense, rather than how Froch won over Taylor because Taylor just gassed it due to his well publisized stamina problems .. was Froch landing that many shots on Taylor to really say he wore him down?

D froch has just got a win to equal joe's beating of lacy. froch does it in 1st defence, calzaghe does it in 16th defence

Absolutely not, Taylor lost 2 of his last 3fights before facing Froch .. Lacy was unbeaten
Froch struggled to win the title .. and was 14seconds from losing it in his 1st defence against a guy having his 3rd fight at the weight .. and some have said, a couple years past his best..

Yeah, but come on mate. Picking apart Autobarns gibberish is like shooting dead fish in a barrel with a shotgun.

Go and find his many and varied posts where he copy and pastes boxrec top 10 fighters in a division, and asks why Calzaghe/Hatton or whoever isnt fighting them next. I think i can remember him calling for Calzaghe to fight Sakio Bika again, after he beat Jones.

Thats the mentality you are dealing with here

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Oh and in his last 8 fights the great Jermain Taylor has been given 2 very dodgy decisions against am old man Hopkins, was very, very lucky to get a draw against Winky Wright got a deserved UD against Kassim Ouma, given a total and utter gift against Welterweight Cory Spinks, well beaten twice by Pavlik, beat a total bum (according to u lot) in Jeff Lacy and then got KO'd by the greatest fighter on earth in Frotch

Won 1, Lost 7 of his last 8 fights




amazing...

[Counter-puncher]

Calzaghe vs Kessler was a love-in.

The most polite fight i ever bore witness.

those uppercuts Kessler was landing were sure friendly punches. remind me not to meet up with you for a 'friendly pint' anytime soon

'barn:

froch showed some vulnerablities but will move on and improve,

thats surely the definition of optimism, i might even call it blind faith. suffice to say if Froch is still, 5 years down the line, utterly allergic to any pretence of stopping or avoiding right hands- let's assume his development curve ended about 8 years ago and leave it at that, eh?

[Counter-puncher]

Kessler would smash Froch, he doesn't have stamina problems like Taylor.

oh yes, i mean, Kessler finished the Calzaghe fight like a train didn't he? winning maybe 1 out of the last 5 rounds, now there is a fighter whose stamina is beyond question.

[banjo]

I've read some shite in my lifetime but this takes the piss -

Calzaghe vs Kessler was a love-in.

The most polite fight i ever bore witness.

It was a well matched fight between the top 2 in the division

[Captain Hook]

what the heck is out of order about calling someone out?

why was calzaghe never obsessed with anyone enough to force good fights?

joe has the big advantage in experience, IS ALL. joe is not a better fighter, he is a more manufactured fighter.

not long ago froch got stick for badgering taylor into a fight

Do you seriously not believe, having watched the fight on Saturday, that Joe Calzaghe would box Froch's head off for 12 rounds?

[Captain Hook]

PS I like Carl but this Calzaghe bashing is getting boring.....

He's retired, move on...

Kessler, Lacy and Hopkins (who later destroyed Pavlik) are bigger names than a faded Taylor.

Give him a break.

[Captain Hook]

I vote we keep the guy, but I do like Jeffro!

I used to like him but then he slagged off my hero.... I can't stand for that Terry. He said that Calzaghe was an over-rated allegedly project, who couldn't punch properly and fought no-one but over the hill former greats and mediocre fighters with padded records. Everyone in my village hates him... If he ever drives through the village I'm going to shout at him. From a safe distance.

:)

This guy is ace

[Poncey]

Oh and in his last 8 fights the great Jermain Taylor has been given 2 very dodgy decisions against am old man Hopkins, was very, very lucky to get a draw against Winky Wright got a deserved UD against Kassim Ouma, given a total and utter gift against Welterweight Cory Spinks, well beaten twice by Pavlik, beat a total bum (according to u lot) in Jeff Lacy and then got KO'd by the greatest fighter on earth in Frotch

Won 1, Lost 7 of his last 8 fights




amazing...

Pardon my ignorance, but haven't you just done to Taylor's slate what these misers have been doing to Joe's record. Are you, like, doing it on purpose or summat?

His is Joe. I thought you knew?

[charlieb]

I think more is being made of Froch's limitations than should be. Taylor looked fantastic in there, haven't seen that sort of form from him in years, possibly he'd finally settled back down with his original trainer and Froch was 'supposed' to be his reinauguration fight to get back to where he once stood in the sport.

Taylor was brilliant for the first half. He didn't gas because of stamina issues, he gassed because Froch was relentless and totally prepared to take 2 to deliver 1 of his own. Froch was open in the Pascal fight too but he managed to outfight the guy on sheer tenacity and drive. Same deal, 2 extremely smooth operators who were broken down.

I'm not entirely sold on a Kessler win should they fight, who's to say Carl wouldn't get to the Dane? Froch can punch and I've yet to see Kessler really deal with a hardhitter who was able to land more than a punch a round. As for Calzaghe, he hasn't hit with any power in years and gets hit aplenty himself. That would be a gruelling fight either way. I dont think Calzaghe fancies the outside chance of being remembered as the guy who Froch beat by the casual brit fan.

Calzaghe's words dont seem like those of a man toying with even the slightest notion of coming back, if he does, it'll be down to financial problems and that just buoys Froch's chances if it ever did happen.

[Daveyswan]

I think Froch should forget the Calzaghe thing it's getting boring, To be honest as much as I like Froch I'd have Kessler to stop him inside 10 rounds.

Daveyswan

[hitman_hatton1]

I think more is being made of Froch's limitations than should be. Taylor looked fantastic in there, haven't seen that sort of form from him in years, possibly he'd finally settled back down with his original trainer and Froch was 'supposed' to be his reinauguration fight to get back to where he once stood in the sport.

Taylor was brilliant for the first half. He didn't gas because of stamina issues, he gassed because Froch was relentless and totally prepared to take 2 to deliver 1 of his own. Froch was open in the Pascal fight too but he managed to outfight the guy on sheer tenacity and drive. Same deal, 2 extremely smooth operators who were broken down.

I'm not entirely sold on a Kessler win should they fight, who's to say Carl wouldn't get to the Dane? Froch can punch and I've yet to see Kessler really deal with a hardhitter who was able to land more than a punch a round. As for Calzaghe, he hasn't hit with any power in years and gets hit aplenty himself. That would be a gruelling fight either way. I dont think Calzaghe fancies the outside chance of being remembered as the guy who Froch beat by the casual brit fan.

Calzaghe's words dont seem like those of a man toying with even the slightest notion of coming back, if he does, it'll be down to financial problems and that just buoys Froch's chances if it ever did happen.

credit to froch for bringing it out.

but we all know of taylor's problems down the stretch.

and not just against the likes of hopkins and pavlik.

he's also disappointed in fights he's been winning down the stretch.

it's a known liability and the reason i thought froch would win.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think more is being made of Froch's limitations than should be. Taylor looked fantastic in there, haven't seen that sort of form from him in years, possibly he'd finally settled back down with his original trainer and Froch was 'supposed' to be his reinauguration fight to get back to where he once stood in the sport.

Taylor was brilliant for the first half. He didn't gas because of stamina issues, he gassed because Froch was relentless and totally prepared to take 2 to deliver 1 of his own. Froch was open in the Pascal fight too but he managed to outfight the guy on sheer tenacity and drive. Same deal, 2 extremely smooth operators who were broken down.

I'm not entirely sold on a Kessler win should they fight, who's to say Carl wouldn't get to the Dane? Froch can punch and I've yet to see Kessler really deal with a hardhitter who was able to land more than a punch a round. As for Calzaghe, he hasn't hit with any power in years and gets hit aplenty himself. That would be a gruelling fight either way. I dont think Calzaghe fancies the outside chance of being remembered as the guy who Froch beat by the casual brit fan.

Calzaghe's words dont seem like those of a man toying with even the slightest notion of coming back, if he does, it'll be down to financial problems and that just buoys Froch's chances if it ever did happen.

Kessler I think is every bit as tough as Froch. He took quite a pasting from Calzaghe but was dangerous right until the end, and he is also a big hurtful puncher in his own right.

Calzaghe landed plenty of body shots on Kessler - they were no love taps.

It would be a great fight, they are very well matched Froch and Kessler, and it would be a bit of a wet dream for boxing anoraks like us to see them fight.

[Carbo]

I haven't really read any of this thread, but am I the only one who, after watching that Taylor fight, thinks that Calzaghe would beat Froch like a ginger step child?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I haven't really read any of this thread, but am I the only one who, after watching that Taylor fight, thinks that Calzaghe would beat Froch like a ginger step child?

I think Calzaghe would be too quick and too mobile for Froch, but Carl would still have an outside chance of a stoppage. Calzaghe's been on the deck a few times lately, and Froch hits very hard indeed.

[Carbo]

I haven't really read any of this thread, but am I the only one who, after watching that Taylor fight, thinks that Calzaghe would beat Froch like a ginger step child?

I think Calzaghe would be too quick and too mobile for Froch, but Carl would still have an outside chance of a stoppage. Calzaghe's been on the deck a few times lately, and Froch hits very hard indeed.

Look, when you've got a heart as big as Froch's, and a pair of balls that you'd normally expect to see swinging between the hind legs of a National winner, you've always got a chance. Also, Calzaghe does hang his chin out and dive in recklessly, too.

I will say this, though: Hopkins is deadly accurate and cute, and he timed Calzaghe perfectly, caught him right on the chin -- perfectly -- and Calzaghe went down like a bucket of rocks. But he still got up. Hopkins hits plenty hard enough. I think he's sacrificed some power to keep the speed as he's got older, but he still hits hard enough to knock over Tarver and Calzaghe, who, himself has a superb chin.

The Jones KD was a strange one, because he seemed to duck into it, didn't see it coming at all, and it was almost like the heel of the hand caught him, I seem to remember.

On both occasions he was caught cold. Both were against pretty heavy, but, more important, accurate punchers.

I think Froch is slower than them and not as accurate. And, meantime, he's WIDE OPEN.

I think Calzaghe might even knock him out. Either that or win at least 10 out of the twelve rounds.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I haven't really read any of this thread, but am I the only one who, after watching that Taylor fight, thinks that Calzaghe would beat Froch like a ginger step child?

I think Calzaghe would be too quick and too mobile for Froch, but Carl would still have an outside chance of a stoppage. Calzaghe's been on the deck a few times lately, and Froch hits very hard indeed.

Look, when you've got a heart as big as Froch's, and a pair of balls that you'd normally expect to see swinging between the hind legs of a National winner, you've always got a chance. Also, Calzaghe does hang his chin out and dive in recklessly, too.

I will say this, though: Hopkins is deadly accurate and cute, and he timed Calzaghe perfectly, caught him right on the chin -- perfectly -- and Calzaghe went down like a bucket of rocks. But he still got up. Hopkins hits plenty hard enough. I think he's sacrificed some power to keep the speed as he's got older, but he still hits hard enough to knock over Tarver and Calzaghe, who, himself has a superb chin.

The Jones KD was a strange one, because he seemed to duck into it, didn't see it coming at all, and it was almost like the heel of the hand caught him, I seem to remember.

On both occasions he was caught cold. Both were against pretty heavy, but, more important, accurate punchers.

I think Froch is slower than them and not as accurate. And, meantime, he's WIDE OPEN.

I think Calzaghe might even knock him out. Either that or win at least 10 out of the twelve rounds.

Oh i would still make Calzaghe favourite against Froch - unless he ages overnight, I think he would probably win a wide decision.

[Autobarn]

froch goes to america, with an eye infection, in his 1st defence, scores a late KO - and he's "lucky". my, oh my.
:

Isn`t there always an excuse as to why he got hit so much? .. eye infection this time .. ear problem last time

froch showed some vulnerablities but will move on and improve,
:

Have you forgotten that Adamu was bouncing right handers off Froch 5yrs ago .. five years later the same thing is still happening ..

as for instance adamek did - a man who took shocking punishment in his first 3 US fights and is now lineal cruiserweight king. when you take risks things can go wrong. again i will repeat, froch's win over taylor was more conclusive than joe's lucky win over hopkins

Joes win over Hopkins was tight, but up untill the stoppage .. 14seconds to go .. Froch losing clearly to Taylor

calzaghe hasn't annihilated anyone in a long time. lacy took 100 shots a round yet still made the distance.

But you miss the point of Calzaghe being good enough to land 100 shots a round on Lacy .. lacy was all at sea towards the end of the fight ... Calzaghe really did `break him down` in the real sense, rather than how Froch won over Taylor because Taylor just gassed it due to his well publisized stamina problems .. was Froch landing that many shots on Taylor to really say he wore him down?

D froch has just got a win to equal joe's beating of lacy. froch does it in 1st defence, calzaghe does it in 16th defence

Absolutely not, Taylor lost 2 of his last 3fights before facing Froch .. Lacy was unbeaten
Froch struggled to win the title .. and was 14seconds from losing it in his 1st defence against a guy having his 3rd fight at the weight .. and some have said, a couple years past his best..

Yeah, but come on mate. Picking apart Autobarns gibberish is like shooting dead fish in a barrel with a shotgun.

Go and find his many and varied posts where he copy and pastes boxrec top 10 fighters in a division, and asks why Calzaghe/Hatton or whoever isnt fighting them next. I think i can remember him calling for Calzaghe to fight Sakio Bika again, after he beat Jones.

Thats the mentality you are dealing with here

sorry but i can't recall copying and pasting any boxrec ratings, nor can i recall ever wanting to see something like calzaghe-bika again, particularly not after the dreadful calzaghe-jones

i did say he needed to fight thomas ulrich, in jest, so he could prove he was the best light heavy in europe; before going the whole hog and fighting erdei

gibberish? try again, you can do better, but i liked the fish comment

anyway, the calzaghe boys are coming out in full force. 21 defences of a WBO belt. i'm impressed. you have to be the best brit ever to do that

maybe he could have gone 42 successful defences, by fighting many of the bums twice, as he did with veit.

[Autobarn]

Oh and in his last 8 fights the great Jermain Taylor has been given 2 very dodgy decisions against am old man Hopkins, was very, very lucky to get a draw against Winky Wright got a deserved UD against Kassim Ouma, given a total and utter gift against Welterweight Cory Spinks, well beaten twice by Pavlik, beat a total bum (according to u lot) in Jeff Lacy and then got KO'd by the greatest fighter on earth in Frotch

Won 1, Lost 7 of his last 8 fights




amazing...

revisioniiiiiist!

i was a taylor critic, cos he went after smaller men.

however D12 wright was fair
W12 hopkins rematch was fair
W12 hopkins 1st fight - debatable but bernard did bugger all til the 2nd half
spinks i agree beat jermain
pavlik and froch obviously knocked him out.
pavlik rematch could have been a draw. not bad considering the ending of 1st fight. barrera was stopped by junior jones, and lost closely in pts in rematch

Toney also fought mostly tough comp at 160, and most of his fights were desperately close or controversial

JT was reinventing himself at super middle, wasn't drained, brought plenty of experience. a good first title defence for Froch.

Next post morterm:

Branco Sobot - that other memorable first title defence

[Autobarn]

froch goes to america, with an eye infection, in his 1st defence, scores a late KO - and he's "lucky". my, oh my.
:

Isn`t there always an excuse as to why he got hit so much? .. eye infection this time .. ear problem last time

froch showed some vulnerablities but will move on and improve,
:

Have you forgotten that Adamu was bouncing right handers off Froch 5yrs ago .. five years later the same thing is still happening ..

as for instance adamek did - a man who took shocking punishment in his first 3 US fights and is now lineal cruiserweight king. when you take risks things can go wrong. again i will repeat, froch's win over taylor was more conclusive than joe's lucky win over hopkins

Joes win over Hopkins was tight, but up untill the stoppage .. 14seconds to go .. Froch losing clearly to Taylor

calzaghe hasn't annihilated anyone in a long time. lacy took 100 shots a round yet still made the distance.

But you miss the point of Calzaghe being good enough to land 100 shots a round on Lacy .. lacy was all at sea towards the end of the fight ... Calzaghe really did `break him down` in the real sense, rather than how Froch won over Taylor because Taylor just gassed it due to his well publisized stamina problems .. was Froch landing that many shots on Taylor to really say he wore him down?

D froch has just got a win to equal joe's beating of lacy. froch does it in 1st defence, calzaghe does it in 16th defence

Absolutely not, Taylor lost 2 of his last 3fights before facing Froch .. Lacy was unbeaten
Froch struggled to win the title .. and was 14seconds from losing it in his 1st defence against a guy having his 3rd fight at the weight .. and some have said, a couple years past his best..

this reply would be a convoluted, knotted work of art if i used the quote function with such persistence and authority as you

[charlieb]

I think more is being made of Froch's limitations than should be. Taylor looked fantastic in there, haven't seen that sort of form from him in years, possibly he'd finally settled back down with his original trainer and Froch was 'supposed' to be his reinauguration fight to get back to where he once stood in the sport.

Taylor was brilliant for the first half. He didn't gas because of stamina issues, he gassed because Froch was relentless and totally prepared to take 2 to deliver 1 of his own. Froch was open in the Pascal fight too but he managed to outfight the guy on sheer tenacity and drive. Same deal, 2 extremely smooth operators who were broken down.

I'm not entirely sold on a Kessler win should they fight, who's to say Carl wouldn't get to the Dane? Froch can punch and I've yet to see Kessler really deal with a hardhitter who was able to land more than a punch a round. As for Calzaghe, he hasn't hit with any power in years and gets hit aplenty himself. That would be a gruelling fight either way. I dont think Calzaghe fancies the outside chance of being remembered as the guy who Froch beat by the casual brit fan.

Calzaghe's words dont seem like those of a man toying with even the slightest notion of coming back, if he does, it'll be down to financial problems and that just buoys Froch's chances if it ever did happen.

credit to froch for bringing it out.

but we all know of taylor's problems down the stretch.

and not just against the likes of hopkins and pavlik.

he's also disappointed in fights he's been winning down the stretch.

it's a known liability and the reason i thought froch would win.

I know what's been said, including from the horse's mouth. I just dont think it would've been as much of an issue if he hadn't been in there with someone as resilient and persistent as Froch, or on the flip side, as definsively sound as say Hopkins.

I've never really given Froch much due, but if there's one thing I'm getting used to from watching him fight, it's him looking crude and open but somehow negating those flaws and simply bulling his way to a point where his crude and awkward style becomes painfully effective. He would be an absolutely nightmarish prospect if the bell still rang for 15.