British Top 30 P4P May 2009

[Coco]

If Afolabi does not get rated purely because he is a transplanted Brit, the same should apply to Duddy

[Horse]

Calzaghe at one eh? Then why no Jimmy Wilde? And Ken Buchanan is a shocking omission.

Jimmy Wilde has not fought since 1923 and has been dead for over 40 years. Ken Buchanan has not fought since 1982 and lost his last 4 fights. Neither deserves a place in my opinion.

Joe Calzaghe last fought just under 6 months ago. If he announced his return to professional boxing tomorrow he would still be considered one of the World's top 5 P4P boxers.

[Horse]

John Duddy should not be in the top 30

Duddy was ranked at number 14 last month, so I thought to drop him out of the rankings completely would be too much. I decided not to drop him below Rees, as Rees is the most inactive fighter in the rankings having not fought in over a year.

[Horse]

Ola Afolabi?


where?

He is not in the rankings.

[Coco]

You haven't explaine why Duddyis eligible and Afolabi isn't?

[Horse]

You want Lindsay to beat Derry Matthews to move up - having already ko'd him ?
WTF ?

As I have said before, beating someone good twice is better than beating them once, especially if he beats him more convincingly the second time.

[Asterix]

Calzaghe at one eh? Then why no Jimmy Wilde? And Ken Buchanan is a shocking omission.

Jimmy Wilde has not fought since 1923 and has been dead for over 40 years. Ken Buchanan has not fought since 1982 and lost his last 4 fights. Neither deserves a place in my opinion.

Joe Calzaghe last fought just under 6 months ago. If he announced his return to professional boxing tomorrow he would still be considered one of the World's top 5 P4P boxers.

Rankings should not be based on ifs.

[Horse]

I dont think Appelby should be out of the top 30 he was 24th and had a bad night i would have him about 28th or 29th

That is what I was originally going to do, but I thought that Murray deserved his place more than Appleby, so I dropped Appleby out of the list instead of Murray.

[hitman09]

Why is Dunne behind Woods and Witter? Dunne holds half of a world championship in the deepest division in boxing, while neither of them have done much of note lately. Also, why is Enzo Maccarinelli ahead of Rogan and Arthur? The man should barely make the top 30, never mind the top 15.
One more thing. Drop Calzaghe. He's retired. If he makes a comeback, rank him #1 again, but for now, leave him out.

[banjo]

Just one thing regarding Dunne, he was born in the Republic Of Ireland so he can't compete for the British title so you can't really rank him in a British P4P list, Lindsay and Rogan yes because they are eligible for British title fights.

[iwz678]

Napa ahead of Macklin? Gavin Rees still in there? John Murray only #30?

[Horse]

i dont know why nathan cleverly aint in the top 30,

His best win is against Oakey, but Oakey only had about a weeks notice. His proposed fight against McIntosh would very likely get him a place in the top 30 if he wins.

He has only fought unknown Africans

Pretty much. I don't rate beating these unknown Africans as much as some other people do.

[Horse]

So why is Duddy on there?

Duddy has fought on three domestic shows. He also represented Ireland as an amateur and was an Irish amateur champion.

Did Afolabi represent Britain as an amateur?

[Horse]

If Afolabi does not get rated purely because he is a transplanted Brit, the same should apply to Duddy

I feel that it is a different situation.

You haven't explaine why Duddyis eligible and Afolabi isn't?

I try to answer posts in order. That is why I hadn't explained my stance on the subject before that point.

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Calzaghe at one eh? Then why no Jimmy Wilde? And Ken Buchanan is a shocking omission.

Jimmy Wilde has not fought since 1923 and has been dead for over 40 years. Ken Buchanan has not fought since 1982 and lost his last 4 fights. Neither deserves a place in my opinion.

Horse is my favourite poster of all time, for that statement alone.



I can only assume that his dinner is served to him at 6pm every night, via a tray, shoved under his reinforced steel door.

[hitman09]

Why is Dunne behind Woods and Witter? Dunne holds half of a world championship in the deepest division in boxing, while neither of them have done much of note lately. Also, why is Enzo Maccarinelli ahead of Rogan and Arthur? The man should barely make the top 30, never mind the top 15.
One more thing. Drop Calzaghe. He's retired. If he makes a comeback, rank him #1 again, but for now, leave him out.

Any response Horse?

[slapbangwhallop]

1. (1.) Joe Calzaghe (fair enough - at least for a couple more months)
2. (2.) Ricky Hatton (fair enough)
3. (4.) Carl Froch (swap with Haye)
4. (3.) David Haye (swap with Froch)
5. (5.) Clinton Woods (Drop like a stone)
6. (6.) Junior Witter (Drop like a stone)
7. (7.) Bernard Dunne (Irish) (Up following drops)
8. (8.) Jamie Moore
9. (9.) Rendall Munroe
10. (10.) Amir Khan

11. (11.) Nicky Cook
12. (12.) Enzo Maccarinelli (Drop like a stone)
13. (13.) Alex Arthur
14. (15.) Kevin Mitchell
15. (16.) Martin Rogan (Irish)
16. (17.) Ian Napa
17. (18.) Kell Brook
18. (19.) Matt Skelton
19. (20.) Jonathan Thaxton
20. (21.) Matthew Macklin (Above Rogan or Enzo)

21. (RE.) Martin Lindsay (Irish) (Above Cook)
22. (14.) John Duddy (Irish)
23. (22.) Gavin Rees (Drop like a stone)
24. (23.) Ryan Rhodes
25. (25.) Paul McCloskey (Irish) (Above Rogan)
26. (NE.) Jason Booth
27. (26.) Matthew Hall
28. (27.) Darren Barker
29. (28.) Wayne Elcock
30. (29.) John Murray

Out - (24.) Paul Appleby
Out - (30.) Brian Magee (Irish)

No Andy Lee, No Stepthen Haughian, No Andrew Murray, No Patrick Hyland!!

[Horse]

Joe Calzaghe last fought just under 6 months ago. If he announced his return to professional boxing tomorrow he would still be considered one of the World's top 5 P4P boxers.

Rankings should not be based on ifs.

I believe imagining hypothetical scenarios is an acceptable part of deciding a fighters P4P worth. "If Nicky Cook and Ian Napa were in the same weight division: Who would be ranked higher?" et cetera.

[Asterix]

Joe Calzaghe last fought just under 6 months ago. If he announced his return to professional boxing tomorrow he would still be considered one of the World's top 5 P4P boxers.

Rankings should not be based on ifs.

I believe imagining hypothetical scenarios is an acceptable part of deciding a fighters P4P worth. "If Nicky Cook and Ian Napa were in the same weight division: Who would be ranked higher?" et cetera.

Well that's the whole point of the pound for pound concept. But you don't go, "if Naseem Hamed came back at featherweight, where would he be? 14th, OK, I'll rank him now, even though he's retired and will probably never fight again."

[Horse]

Why is Dunne behind Woods and Witter? Dunne holds half of a world championship in the deepest division in boxing, while neither of them have done much of note lately.

Woods and Witter proved themselves against world class opposition multiple times. Dunne has only done it once. If he can make a defence of his title then he will probably overtake them, unless Witter or Woods do something impressive in that period of time, like win a world title.

Also, why is Enzo Maccarinelli ahead of Rogan and Arthur? The man should barely make the top 30, never mind the top 15.

Martin Rogan has only just entered the list and I would rather he proved his ability a bit more before putting him so close to a top 10 ranking. Maccarinelli has fought twice since Arthur's last fight, so I preferred to keep the active fighter above the inactive fighter, due to previous problems I have had with inactive fighters in the past.

One more thing. Drop Calzaghe. He's retired. If he makes a comeback, rank him #1 again, but for now, leave him out.

What happens if I take him out? There will just be another decent domestic fighter that enters at the bottom of the rankings to replace him. If he doesn't fight for a significant period of time then I will take him out.

[Dioufy]

In my eyes if a fighter announces his retirement then he should be scrapped from all P4P lists until he successfully makes a comeback.
Like Mayweather - he won't re-enter my P4P global list until he actually fights again.
I think this should be adopted to your list, Horse.
But great list.

[Horse]

Just one thing regarding Dunne, he was born in the Republic Of Ireland so he can't compete for the British title so you can't really rank him in a British P4P list, Lindsay and Rogan yes because they are eligible for British title fights.

I decided to start ranking all Irish fighters, 1 year and 8 months ago, to ease confusion about which Irish boxers should be eligible for the list or not.

[Horse]

Napa ahead of Macklin? Gavin Rees still in there? John Murray only #30?

Napa won the Lonsdale belt outright and was the European champion until his last fight. Macklin has only just won the British title and has not proven as much as Napa.

Rees has been inactive and he will likely fall out of the list in the next 6 months if he doesn't fight. Gavin Rees was scheduled to fight today, but the fight card has been moved to the 24th May, that should sort out the Rees problem.

Murray's best wins are against Meager and McAllister, both decent wins but nothing special. Murray isn't staying active enough to maintain, and build on, his place in the list. Hopefully, the Thaxton fight happens and sorts his situation out.

[Horse]

Jimmy Wilde has not fought since 1923 and has been dead for over 40 years. Ken Buchanan has not fought since 1982 and lost his last 4 fights. Neither deserves a place in my opinion.

Horse is my favourite poster of all time, for that statement alone.

Thank you, Khaosai-Galaxy, that is quite a compliment.

I can only assume that his dinner is served to him at 6pm every night, via a tray, shoved under his reinforced steel door.

That is an odd assumption.

[Finch]

(4.) Carl Froch
4. (3.) David Haye

What the F&&K ???

Haye has unified Cruiserweight division, moved up and beat a top ten fighter. Even if Haye loses to Wlad i'd have him safely above Froch.

Froch has ONE world title fight and beats a guy who's hardly world class, then luckily beats a blown up middleweight after being outclassed for the first 35 minutes and 46 seconds !