scartissue wrote:I called Rick several hours before fight time to go over our picks as we usually do before a big fight. Usually, we pretty much see eye to eye on a fight, but on this one we were wildly divergent. Rick was going with Manny via an early KO and I was going with Hatton via decision. Well, after the 1st round I saw where this was going and left Rick with a voice-mail something like, "Didn't Mayweather teach him how to fight a southpaw? He's squared up directly on him, no jab or anything. Floyd Mayweather Sr. sucks d**k!" Or something to that effect. Truly, that was one of the most ill-prepared performances I have ever seen. It was as if he had never seen a southpaw let alone fight or spar with one. Mayweather Sr. is highly overrated. Hats off to Manny, he had a deer in the headlights in front of him with an inviting chin and took full advantage of it with some of the sharpest punches I've seen. He was pure dynamite. Great call, Rick.
Scartissue
Scar,
If it's any consolation, I had Ricky ahead on points just before the first knockdown.
Bruce
Bruce, you're being too generous. He was behind on my card before the bell due to that band playing "Winter wonderland" which was really getting on my nerves. Maybe Manny's too, who probably said, "I better take him out right away to shut them up!"
Ricky Hatton sports 45 wins, 1 loss, and has KOed 32 of his opponents. Impressive? Most assuredly, despite the opposition. But he'll learn tonight inside of 12 rounds, that Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao does not present the quality of opposition presented by Carlos Maussa, Luis Collazo, Juan Urango, Jose Luis Castillo, Juan Lazcano, or Paul Malignaggi, Hatton will see that he is facing a package that could well be described as the "Real Deal." And Hatton's record will sport another loss before the evening is over.
For certain, we all know that "The Real Deal" was a great heavyweight fighter. It no longer makes sense to call Holyfield the Real Deal as he is a semblance of who he once was and what he brought to the ring years ago in the personage of Evander Holyfield. But, alas, the Real Deal is alive and well, and presents himself as a ring package consisting of a southpaw presentation of a box of lightning and a torrent of quick-silver --- a boxer-slugger who is on the verge of gaining true recognition as an all-time great and Hall of Fame status within his own lifetime and all within one fall swoop. But wait just a moment ...
Pacquiao, heritage of the Frank Churchill and Joe Waterman Mosquito Fleet boys, consisting of the likes of 1920's Pancho Villa, [Francisco Guilledo], Clever Senciio, Dencio Cabanella, stretching forth into the 1950's through Flash Elorde, is more that a great Filipino fighter. He is a great fighter, indeed, with no further explanation needed - Filipino, Frenchman, Black-American, Italian, or otherwise. The question to be asked, however, is "just how great is he?"
Pacquiao's KO victory over De La Hoya, notwithstanding, for De La Hoya was living on borrowed time and the knockout was highly predictable, revealing just how far back De La Hoya had gone, more than it revealed to us any greatness of Pacquiao and what lies ahead within his storied future. Fight fans get so emotional after a favored son like De La Hoya is toppled that they too often rush to judgment in bestowing wreaths and garlands upon the seemingly all-conquering hero of the moment. Always factor in "the moment" in the evaluative process of greatness and negate emotion is so doing.
Consider, for example, that Pacquiao has only gone into the trenches only 8 times since January of 2006. Eight fights in 40 months is not the kind of activity that bestows all time greatness upon a fighter -- nor does it establish the groundwork for Hall of Fame induction if activity is the sole criterion for considering induction status. His record might get Pacquiao elected the President of the Philippines whether the Philippines and Mexico were at odds or at war with one another or not . However, to become recognized as a great Hall of Fame caliber fighter, there are too many mountains left to climb to rank Pacquiao with the elite in boxing history just yet despite his climbing up the lower division weight ladder and putting on the mantle of greatness.
Reflect on how Pacquiao would fare against Duran, Sanchez and Pryor as examples of modern day greats let alone Ike Williams, Jimmy Wilde, Pancho Villa, Benny Leonard, or Bobby Dodds, if we were to go back into time as examples. You apply the brush --- I think I know the outcomes.
Having said all that, many think that Hatton has a puncher's chance. But this puncher is not on a par with a Marciano, a Duran, a Walcott, or a Wilde. He is not even a smaller packaged Gene Fullmer. The message is that he doesn't really have a puncher's chance. If he stays on the outside, he will be cut to pieces and by the third round the hand writing will be on the wall. Hatton has got to take the fight to Pacquiao, rough him up inside and try to neutralize Pacquiao's speed by fighting on the ropes and in the corners. Alas, in so doing, this bull takes too many punches in the process. He is not a master of the bob and weave and he is going to pay dearly trying to get Pacquiao in the corners and on the ropes. Pacquiao's left hand stance will never be mastered by Hatton and he'll be kayoed in the 9th round.
In a moment of collective emotion, Pacquiao will be lionized as a consequence --- but his truest tests are around the corner. Post - Fight Analysis --- Pacquiao v. Hatton
No doubt about it ... Pacquiao's performance was stellar! He did what he had to do --- like Caesar said in describing the battle of Zela, --- vēnī, vīdī, vīcī --- Pacquiao equally accomplished in a one round demolition --- totally and completely --- leaving no doubt about it. But before conclusions are jumped to ... recall history's great battles whether they be the Napoleanic French invasion of Russia or the United States invasion of Vietnam ... and within the grime and grit, --- the blood, steel, germs, sacrifice and tears of folly --- regimes change giving fulfillment to the adage that "man proposes, fate decrees."
Have we not traveled down this road before --- and have our eyes not witnessed Ingemar Johansson lower the boom, first on Eddie Machen, then, again on Floyd Patterson, and question who could stand up to this reincarnation of Thor?
Indeed, an 18 year old Jimmy McClarnin defeated Pancho Villa in a 10 round thriller, an upset victory of monumental proportions, thought within the emotion of the moment to herald the coming of boxing's equivalent of the greatest talent ever to step into the ring. Villa died after the fight from complications of an infected tooth which had been pulled the day of the fight but which had plagued him for some time and which should have brought about the cancellation of the contest until remedied. McClarnin, no doubt, was a great fighter but the victory took on less of its emotional appeal once the true facts became known.
Ricky Hatton's claim to boxing fame was given much impetus in his victory over Kostya Tszyu who retired in his corner at the end of the eleventh round. The knockout victory over Tszyu had the boxing world, and in particular the English boxing world, agog over Ricky Hatton --- slayer of the threat of the eastern Slavic movement to western culture and the right of the western world to control boxing for at least another century. Factor in Tszyu's age of 35 and it lessens but does not cheapen Hatton's victory.
Enter Floyd Mayweather. Exit Ricky Hatton.
Enter Manny Pacquiao. Deja vu.
Manny Pacquiao looked like Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano, Jimmy Wilde, and Muhammad Ali all rolled into one. Clearly, he isn't that. Or, maybe he is, as Bob Arum pronounced after the fight - "The greatest fighter of all time." Our senses either deceive us or something is missing in the equation. I suggest that something is missing within the equation and that something is Ricky Hatton's ability to absorb punches. His brain is fragile --- in boxing parlance we say he has a glass jaw --- but in reality, his brain is damaged. Hatton's eyes were closed before he hit the floor. Prognostic, that is not a healthy sign. Punches and liquor do that to the brain. Hatton's reputation is that of a hard drinker. It caught up to him in a way he never imagined but will regret to the end of his life as he reminisces about what could have been "if only." Hangovers come in several varieties --- alcohol induced, ring apron induced and leather induced. I imagine he is suffering from a combination of the three at this very moment while the boxing world, ironically, lifts another glass to the heavens in adoration of the punching prowess of Manny Pacquiao, the ring killer who knocks out Mexicans after softening them up for at least six rounds or so but who devours Englishmen within three punches. Left and right hooks torque the brain stem and cause knockouts --- and an already damaged brain hastens the process.
Why the turnaround in Pacquiao career? Time will surely reveal that he was assisted by two formidable allies secreted within the Pacquiao's leather encasements --- Roger Mayweather and John Barleycorn --- just as surely as John Barleycorn repeatedly hit John L. over the head before the Californian banker James Corbett finished Sullivan's reign. But remember, also, that at least at this stage in his career Pacquiao is a Spartan and fanatic about training and conditioning under the tutelage and watchful eye of his trainer Freddie Roach. I give both all the credit that they deserve for in this blowout --- Pacquiao did what he was supposed to do and had to do whether or not Hatton entered that squared circle as damaged goods or not.
Who appeared to be the most surprised individual in the house? None other than Manny Pacquiao who commented in a post fight interview before he left the ring that he was surprised that it was such an easy fight.
Ricky Hatton, formerly The Hit Man, is now The Hit Man. How strange is life. Stranger than fiction we are told and so it is. Who would have thunk it?
Press on --- its getting interesting now.
John A. Bardelli
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scartissue wrote:I called Rick several hours before fight time to go over our picks as we usually do before a big fight. Usually, we pretty much see eye to eye on a fight, but on this one we were wildly divergent. Rick was going with Manny via an early KO and I was going with Hatton via decision. Well, after the 1st round I saw where this was going and left Rick with a voice-mail something like, "Didn't Mayweather teach him how to fight a southpaw? He's squared up directly on him, no jab or anything. Floyd Mayweather Sr. sucks d**k!" Or something to that effect. Truly, that was one of the most ill-prepared performances I have ever seen. It was as if he had never seen a southpaw let alone fight or spar with one. Mayweather Sr. is highly overrated. Hats off to Manny, he had a deer in the headlights in front of him with an inviting chin and took full advantage of it with some of the sharpest punches I've seen. He was pure dynamite. Great call, Rick.
Scartissue
Dan . . . The reality is it didn't matter what Floyd Sr. taught Ricky, he didn't have the skills to make a different plan work. If he could have had Jack Blackburn, Whitey Bimstein, Pop Foster, Jackie McCoy, Eddie Futch and even Freddie himself, he just never had what it took to beat Manny last night. Who's fault is it? Ricky Hatton's.
Too much was put on his win over a past prime Kosty Tszyu, whom he wouldn't have been competitive with a couple years earlier.
Although there is no question as to the courage and charactor of Ricky Hatton, he was a beaten fighter, totally intimidated by Pac long before the opening bell.
My greatest fear was seeing him lying on the canvas after the fight, his head cradled by the doctor.
We did not need another tragedy. Thank God the young man is OK.
I hope the long term effects of that last kncokdown, where his limp body caused a whip-lash where the back of his head slammed onto the canvas, are not too bad.
Hopefully he will be one of the few smart ones, and never enter a ring again. He has only one direction from here on, and that is down.
-Rick Farris
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Roger, I spoke with Mando Muniz today, and Gwen Adair.
Monica told Gwen how great the painting is you did of her. Gwen is excited.
She says she has many friends who are finacially secure whom will want to commission you to paint them.
Based on my excitement toward your work, they are very interested in the possibility of you becoming the WBHOF's Official "El Pintor De Los Campeones"(Just as Carlos Baeza is our official "Photographer", me the "Historian", etc.)
This would iclude you being appointed an "Honorary" Board member. This involves no dues, or attending our monthly meetings (unless you choose to do so).
Honorary Board Member is basically a title with no responsibilities aside from occasionally painting the champions we honor.
I will be with Mando later this week. I will go to his home where we will stuff this years ballots into envelopes and get them in the mail.
All of you voting members should receieve your ballots week after next (Rog, you are already a voting member, as is Frank, Bruce, Scar, Tom, etc.).
I will PM you, get your phone number, and perhaps we can discuss a good time for Mando & I to set-up a 3-way phone call.
Something you need to think about is a price you wish to charge for your paintings. This would be up to you. You should also consider what you believe would be a fair percentage of each sale to the WBHOF, which would be a "donation" as we are a legal non-profit organization. Any "donation" would be a 100% write off. You will make a healthy profit, and also enjoy a nice tax write off for your "doantion". We would have an income device (nobody involved with tha WBHOF (aside from yourself) will receieve ANY money generated by your art). Everything goes toward expenses incurred by the WBHOF, or toward future events.
In my opinion, the definition of a good deal is one where all parties benefit. My personal benefit will be the the knowledge that I brought this idea to fruition, and that I have helped create an income device to a finanacially challeneged organization. It would be a feather in my cap. However, I think it's going to be a lot of fun. If you will, please give consideration to the issues I mentioned, and then we can discuss it from there. Also, we need to consider how to showcase each piece. I would love to place each ona an easel, however, there might be too many paintings, perhaps "hanging them" somehow? Just things to consider.
I'm thinking of an introduction inside the WBHOF program, introducing you, perhaps as the cover artist and your official designation with the WBHOF? This would be a totally unique situation and I have high hopes. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
First Ricky Hatton: A game rooster if ever there was one. His heart cannot be questioned. While he was in the fight, which was very brief, he fought valiantly. The old adage "You can't teach an old dog a new trick" was never more evident than in last nights fight. I don't think it would have made one bit of difference in the outcome but he should have spent more time working on his own assets instead of trying to change his style, especially before such a big fight. I give Hatton all the credit in the world for coming out and facing Paquiao and an imminent knockout. Mayweather Sr showed great courage sending his fighter out for the second round.
His first mistake was trusting Floyd Mayweather Sr, who had no real answer for Pacquiao's speed, power and angles. Freddie Roach said before the fight "I have the better fighter" and he was right.
On Manny Pacquiao: I don't know what I can say about Manny that I haven't already said, or that hasn't already been said by almost everyone else. Pacquiao is a force of nature. There's no doubt that Paquiao would fit into any era. He joins the ranks as an all time great, and deservedly so. The ease and quickness in which he figured out Hattons flaws was amazing. After the first knockdown it was a foregone conclusion. The knockout, which came near the end of round 2, was a debilitating left hook to Hattons chin. Hatton was out. It was a serious knockout. The kind of knockout that causes damage. Thankfully Hatton was able to get up and walk out of the ring on his own.
The knockout sends a message to both Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez who will be fighting each other later this year, on July 18. Marquez, who has already fought Pacquiao twice and has been pushing for a third fight, has to notice the improvement that Manny has shown over the last year or so. Both fights between the two were controversial, with a split decision win for Paquiao and a draw, which says a lot about Marquez. A lot of people, myself included felt Marquez was the winner of both fights. Whatever happened in the past though really doesn't matter. Marquez will be facing a vastly improved and infinitely more confident Manny Paquiao.
Mayweather on the other hand, has also stopped Ricky Hatton, back in December of 2007. He didn't have nearly the easy win that Paquiao had. We'll have to see how that plays out. The winner of the Marquez vs Mayweather jr. will more than likely face Pacquiao.
With Pacquiao, Hatton, Marquez and Mayweather Jr all fighting each other, it evokes memories of boxing's last glory days, the 1980's when Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns and Wilfredo Benitez were all fighting each other. The best in boxing were fighting each other. That's the way it should be. Let's hope it becomes the norm again.
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Hey Guys, my mother sends you her thanks for your Happy Birthday wishes to her. She appreciated it. So did I, Thanks!
My plan was to take everyone out to dinner but my mother felt like staying home. We eneded up watching the fight. It is always tough to see a guy get knocked out like that. We were worried for his health for a few minutes.
First Ricky Hatton: A game rooster if ever there was one. His heart cannot be questioned. While he was in the fight, which was very brief, he fought valiantly. The old adage "You can't teach an old dog a new trick" was never more evident than in last nights fight. I don't think it would have made one bit of difference in the outcome but he should have spent more time working on his own assets instead of trying to change his style, especially before such a big fight. I give Hatton all the credit in the world for coming out and facing Paquiao and an imminent knockout. Mayweather Sr showed great courage sending his fighter out for the second round.
His first mistake was trusting Floyd Mayweather Sr, who had no real answer for Pacquiao's speed, power and angles. Freddie Roch said before the fight "I have the better fighter" and he was right.
On Manny Pacquiao: I don't know what I can say about Manny that I haven't already said, or that hasn't already been said by almost everyone else. Pacquiao is a force of nature. There's no doubt that Paquiao would fit into any era. He joins the ranks as an all time great, and deservedly so. The ease and quickness in which he figured out Hattons flaws was amazing. After the first knockdown it was a foregone conclusion. The knockout, which came near the end of round 2, was a debilitating left hook to Hattons chin. Hatton was out. It was a serious knockout. The kind of knockout that causes damage. Thankfully Hatton was able to get up and walk out of the ring on his own.
The knockout sends a message to both Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez who will be fighting each other on later this year, on July 18. Marquez, who has already fought Pacquiao twice and has been pushing for a third fight, has to notice the improvement that Manny has shown over the last year or so. Both fights between the two were controversial, with a split decision win for Paquiao and a draw, which says a lot about Marquez. A lot of people, myself included felt Marquez was the winner of both fights. Whatever happened in the past though really doesn't matter. Marquez will be facing a vastly improved and infinitely more confident Manny Paquiao.
Mayweather on the other hand, has also stopped Ricky Hatton, back in December of 2007. He didn't have nearly the easy win that Paquiao had. We'll have to see how that plays out. The winner of the Marquez vs Mayweather jr. will more than likely face Pacquiao.
With Pacquiao, Hatton, Marquez and Mayweather Jr all fighting each other, it evokes memories of boxing's last glory days, the 1980's when Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns and Wilfredo Benitez were all fighting each other. The best in boxing were fighting each other. That's the way it should be. Let's hope it becomes the norm again.
Randy . . . Great post, my friend. You really hit the nail on the head with that last paragraph. Shades of another era. We have more to look forward to in the near future. Marquez may be pressured to jump from lightweight to welter to fight Floyd. This is a mistake, unless you are looking at it strictly from a financial angle. In a Floyd-Pac match, Pac is the big draw, Floyd will have to bend and step down in weight or lose the millions he cannot make against any other fighter. Freddie and Pac are in the driver's seat, right where they belong.
Freddie will go as high as 142 lbs. No mas.
First Ricky Hatton: A game rooster if ever there was one. His heart cannot be questioned. While he was in the fight, which was very brief, he fought valiantly. The old adage "You can't teach an old dog a new trick" was never more evident than in last nights fight. I don't think it would have made one bit of difference in the outcome but he should have spent more time working on his own assets instead of trying to change his style, especially before such a big fight. I give Hatton all the credit in the world for coming out and facing Paquiao and an imminent knockout. Mayweather Sr showed great courage sending his fighter out for the second round.
His first mistake was trusting Floyd Mayweather Sr, who had no real answer for Pacquiao's speed, power and angles. Freddie Roch said before the fight "I have the better fighter" and he was right.
On Manny Pacquiao: I don't know what I can say about Manny that I haven't already said, or that hasn't already been said by almost everyone else. Pacquiao is a force of nature. There's no doubt that Paquiao would fit into any era. He joins the ranks as an all time great, and deservedly so. The ease and quickness in which he figured out Hattons flaws was amazing. After the first knockdown it was a foregone conclusion. The knockout, which came near the end of round 2, was a debilitating left hook to Hattons chin. Hatton was out. It was a serious knockout. The kind of knockout that causes damage. Thankfully Hatton was able to get up and walk out of the ring on his own.
The knockout sends a message to both Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez who will be fighting each other on later this year, on July 18. Marquez, who has already fought Pacquiao twice and has been pushing for a third fight, has to notice the improvement that Manny has shown over the last year or so. Both fights between the two were controversial, with a split decision win for Paquiao and a draw, which says a lot about Marquez. A lot of people, myself included felt Marquez was the winner of both fights. Whatever happened in the past though really doesn't matter. Marquez will be facing a vastly improved and infinitely more confident Manny Paquiao.
Mayweather on the other hand, has also stopped Ricky Hatton, back in December of 2007. He didn't have nearly the easy win that Paquiao had. We'll have to see how that plays out. The winner of the Marquez vs Mayweather jr. will more than likely face Pacquiao.
With Pacquiao, Hatton, Marquez and Mayweather Jr all fighting each other, it evokes memories of boxing's last glory days, the 1980's when Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns and Wilfredo Benitez were all fighting each other. The best in boxing were fighting each other. That's the way it should be. Let's hope it becomes the norm again.
Randy . . . Great post, my friend. You really hit the nail on the head with that last paragraph. Shades of another era. We have more to look forward to in the near future. Marquez may be pressured to jump from lightweight to welter to fight Floyd. This is a mistake, unless you are looking at it strictly from a financial angle. In a Floyd-Pac match, Pac is the big draw, Floyd will have to bend and step down in weight or lose the millions he cannot make against any other fighter. Freddie and Pac are in the driver's seat, right where they belong.
Freddie will go as high as 142 lbs. No mas.
-Rick
Rick, throw in Sugar Shane Mosley into the mix as well. He wants in.
Roger, I spoke with Mando Muniz today, and Gwen Adair.
Monica told Gwen how great the painting is you did of her. Gwen is excited.
She says she has many friends who are finacially secure whom will want to commission you to paint them.
Based on my excitement toward your work, they are very interested in the possibility of you becoming the WBHOF's Official "El Pintor De Los Campeones"(Just as Carlos Baeza is our official "Photographer", me the "Historian", etc.)
This would iclude you being appointed an "Honorary" Board member. This involves no dues, or attending our monthly meetings (unless you choose to do so).
Honorary Board Member is basically a title with no responsibilities aside from occasionally painting the champions we honor.
I will be with Mando later this week. I will go to his home where we will stuff this years ballots into envelopes and get them in the mail.
All of you voting members should receieve your ballots week after next (Rog, you are already a voting member, as is Frank, Bruce, Scar, Tom, etc.).
I will PM you, get your phone number, and perhaps we can discuss a good time for Mando & I to set-up a 3-way phone call.
Something you need to think about is a price you wish to charge for your paintings. This would be up to you. You should also consider what you believe would be a fair percentage of each sale to the WBHOF, which would be a "donation" as we are a legal non-profit organization. Any "donation" would be a 100% write off. You will make a healthy profit, and also enjoy a nice tax write off for your "doantion". We would have an income device (nobody involved with tha WBHOF (aside from yourself) will receieve ANY money generated by your art). Everything goes toward expenses incurred by the WBHOF, or toward future events.
In my opinion, the definition of a good deal is one where all parties benefit. My personal benefit will be the the knowledge that I brought this idea to fruition, and that I have helped create an income device to a finanacially challeneged organization. It would be a feather in my cap. However, I think it's going to be a lot of fun. If you will, please give consideration to the issues I mentioned, and then we can discuss it from there. Also, we need to consider how to showcase each piece. I would love to place each ona an easel, however, there might be too many paintings, perhaps "hanging them" somehow? Just things to consider.
I'm thinking of an introduction inside the WBHOF program, introducing you, perhaps as the cover artist and your official designation with the WBHOF? This would be a totally unique situation and I have high hopes. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
-Rick Farris
Rick
Many thanks again. Just lead the way. I've got brushes handy. I'm excited. Again thanks to you,Mando,and Gwen. Rog
First Ricky Hatton: A game rooster if ever there was one. His heart cannot be questioned. While he was in the fight, which was very brief, he fought valiantly. The old adage "You can't teach an old dog a new trick" was never more evident than in last nights fight. I don't think it would have made one bit of difference in the outcome but he should have spent more time working on his own assets instead of trying to change his style, especially before such a big fight. I give Hatton all the credit in the world for coming out and facing Paquiao and an imminent knockout. Mayweather Sr showed great courage sending his fighter out for the second round.
His first mistake was trusting Floyd Mayweather Sr, who had no real answer for Pacquiao's speed, power and angles. Freddie Roch said before the fight "I have the better fighter" and he was right.
On Manny Pacquiao: I don't know what I can say about Manny that I haven't already said, or that hasn't already been said by almost everyone else. Pacquiao is a force of nature. There's no doubt that Paquiao would fit into any era. He joins the ranks as an all time great, and deservedly so. The ease and quickness in which he figured out Hattons flaws was amazing. After the first knockdown it was a foregone conclusion. The knockout, which came near the end of round 2, was a debilitating left hook to Hattons chin. Hatton was out. It was a serious knockout. The kind of knockout that causes damage. Thankfully Hatton was able to get up and walk out of the ring on his own.
The knockout sends a message to both Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez who will be fighting each other on later this year, on July 18. Marquez, who has already fought Pacquiao twice and has been pushing for a third fight, has to notice the improvement that Manny has shown over the last year or so. Both fights between the two were controversial, with a split decision win for Paquiao and a draw, which says a lot about Marquez. A lot of people, myself included felt Marquez was the winner of both fights. Whatever happened in the past though really doesn't matter. Marquez will be facing a vastly improved and infinitely more confident Manny Paquiao.
Mayweather on the other hand, has also stopped Ricky Hatton, back in December of 2007. He didn't have nearly the easy win that Paquiao had. We'll have to see how that plays out. The winner of the Marquez vs Mayweather jr. will more than likely face Pacquiao.
With Pacquiao, Hatton, Marquez and Mayweather Jr all fighting each other, it evokes memories of boxing's last glory days, the 1980's when Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns and Wilfredo Benitez were all fighting each other. The best in boxing were fighting each other. That's the way it should be. Let's hope it becomes the norm again.
Randy . . . Great post, my friend. You really hit the nail on the head with that last paragraph. Shades of another era. We have more to look forward to in the near future. Marquez may be pressured to jump from lightweight to welter to fight Floyd. This is a mistake, unless you are looking at it strictly from a financial angle. In a Floyd-Pac match, Pac is the big draw, Floyd will have to bend and step down in weight or lose the millions he cannot make against any other fighter. Freddie and Pac are in the driver's seat, right where they belong.
Freddie will go as high as 142 lbs. No mas.
-Rick
Rick, throw in Sugar Shane Mosley into the mix as well. He wants in.
Randy- I posted a couple days back that I'd love to see Floyd fight Shane.
I think he'll avoid Mosley, and if they fight, I'll go with Shane.
Mosely isn't done yet. Doesn't have the alcohol problems Hatton does.
Speaking of Ricky H., I read he has no plans to quit. Another pugilistic genius, huh?
A couple more brain jarring fights like last night, combined with his alcohol use, and the fact he's done as a viable contender . . .
Next stop "Palookaville".
I don't know how you guys feel,but I'd like to see Mosley fight Manny. Manny comes in like a wild man. Sugar could catch him I think with no problem. Sugar dismantled Margarito. I'm tellin' ya' if Sugar can find Manny's chin it could be real interesting. Sugar's been in there with bigger fighters and has a good beard. Somewhere between 142 and 147?
For that one I might just go up to Frank's house to watch it. Later James can tell me where the party is at with all the young Latinas.
Roger, I spoke with Mando Muniz today, and Gwen Adair.
Monica told Gwen how great the painting is you did of her. Gwen is excited.
She says she has many friends who are finacially secure whom will want to commission you to paint them.
Based on my excitement toward your work, they are very interested in the possibility of you becoming the WBHOF's Official "El Pintor De Los Campeones"(Just as Carlos Baeza is our official "Photographer", me the "Historian", etc.)
This would iclude you being appointed an "Honorary" Board member. This involves no dues, or attending our monthly meetings (unless you choose to do so).
Honorary Board Member is basically a title with no responsibilities aside from occasionally painting the champions we honor.
I will be with Mando later this week. I will go to his home where we will stuff this years ballots into envelopes and get them in the mail.
All of you voting members should receieve your ballots week after next (Rog, you are already a voting member, as is Frank, Bruce, Scar, Tom, etc.).
I will PM you, get your phone number, and perhaps we can discuss a good time for Mando & I to set-up a 3-way phone call.
Something you need to think about is a price you wish to charge for your paintings. This would be up to you. You should also consider what you believe would be a fair percentage of each sale to the WBHOF, which would be a "donation" as we are a legal non-profit organization. Any "donation" would be a 100% write off. You will make a healthy profit, and also enjoy a nice tax write off for your "doantion". We would have an income device (nobody involved with tha WBHOF (aside from yourself) will receieve ANY money generated by your art). Everything goes toward expenses incurred by the WBHOF, or toward future events.
In my opinion, the definition of a good deal is one where all parties benefit. My personal benefit will be the the knowledge that I brought this idea to fruition, and that I have helped create an income device to a finanacially challeneged organization. It would be a feather in my cap. However, I think it's going to be a lot of fun. If you will, please give consideration to the issues I mentioned, and then we can discuss it from there. Also, we need to consider how to showcase each piece. I would love to place each ona an easel, however, there might be too many paintings, perhaps "hanging them" somehow? Just things to consider.
I'm thinking of an introduction inside the WBHOF program, introducing you, perhaps as the cover artist and your official designation with the WBHOF? This would be a totally unique situation and I have high hopes. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
-Rick Farris
Rick
Many thanks again. Just lead the way. I've got brushes handy. I'm excited. Again thanks to you,Mando,and Gwen. Rog
Rog . . . I left you a PM. I have discovered that nothing in life "just happens", somebody makes it happen.
You are the creator of a great product, one that is personal, public, warm, cold, compelling, and just plain interesting.
I believe in this, it's actually my main focus this coming year. Usually it is the interviews Dan & I do, and of course, that will be a part of it.
Today I discussed with my cameraman filming you and your art as it is revealed to it's subjects. The ideas are flowing.
We have much to discuss.
Usually when a fighter doesn't know when to stop,he looks for people that keep telling him that he isn't finished yet. Ricky Hatton will probably distance himself from his parents and fiancee.This guy should think that he's got a young son to think of. I'm sure the kid was scared to see his dad stretched out like that. If Ricky continues with his career,I'm sure he's not thinking about quality time with his son down the road. Hatton's got his dough. He broke it off with his old trainer. Took on a bag of wind with Floyd Sr.(Watch this guy resurface again with another remodeling job). Hatton won't draw again unless he pulls a Mosley against Margarito. I don't think Manny had adobe in his gloves.Maybe Ricky can be a stepping for some hot prospect and hopefully the guy is discovered as being a robot instead of a human being.They take out his circuit boards before the fight and Ricky pulls the plug on the guy.
Speaking of robots. The rumor is that they took Manny to a garage after the fight instead of his dressing room.
Frank,
Since you know much about west coast boxing and boxers maybe you can answer this question for me. I recently watched some video of Jerry Quarry and noticed that he kept his right heel up. Was that a habit that he developed by himself or did he have a trainer early in his career who taught that? Do you know if any trainer ever tried to break Quarry of that habit? Thanks.
kikibalt wrote:Rick, can you answer the question below?
Frank,
Since you know much about west coast boxing and boxers maybe you can answer this question for me. I recently watched some video of Jerry Quarry and noticed that he kept his right heel up. Was that a habit that he developed by himself or did he have a trainer early in his career who taught that? Do you know if any trainer ever tried to break Quarry of that habit? Thanks.
Les
Les, I know exactly what you are referring to. However, I have no idea how he learned that, if it was something he developed on his own, or was taught, etc.??? I was close with Jerry when he was being trained by Teddy Bentham, at the height of his pro career, and never heard anybody mention this. However, I will ask this, if something ain't broke, why fix it???
Jerry moved well on his feet, punched with dynamite, could box with balance and speed. Why would anybody want to change this??? If Jerry had a problem, it was not related to his feet.
dagosd2000 wrote:I don't know how you guys feel,but I'd like to see Mosley fight Manny. Manny comes in like a wild man. Sugar could catch him I think with no problem. Sugar dismantled Margarito. I'm tellin' ya' if Sugar can find Manny's chin it could be real interesting. Sugar's been in there with bigger fighters and has a good beard. Somewhere between 142 and 147?
For that one I might just go up to Frank's house to watch it. Later James can tell me where the party is at with all the young Latinas.
Roger . . . I think Mosley would be bad news for Pac, just as he would Mayweather. Shane brings a lot to the table in every department. I hate to see Shane pushed to the back burner, he deserves something for the major upset of Margarito. I believe everybody will avoid him.
