You mean and wait until Hopkins is 46Riddick Blowe wrote:God, this would be ugly for Froch.
Carl needs to come up with a convincing excuse not to do this, and fast. A good one would be that he's aiming to unify the supermiddles before fighting someone like hopkins.
Agreed mate.yiddo14 wrote:Who here is praising Froch as the "Greatest Super Middle" exactly???tonyevs wrote:The funny thing about this thread is that alot of the people who have praised Froch as the greatest s-middle - and ridicule Calzaghe for fighting Hopkins, now recognise that Hopkins easilly beats Froch
I know styles make fights etc .. but Calzaghe ability wise knew as much as Bernard and possesed the better engine .. maybe Hopkins knew one or two old pro tricks and had a bigger one punch dig .. but Calzaghes bigger and better engine just makes a win over froch even more obvious.
Froch reminds me of a Dennis Andries type world champion .. strong and determined, but lacking in all the finer points .. he`ll make exciting viewing for as long as he holds the title, which is no critism as a viewer.
Come on, lets not try and spin things. As I said earlier, the reason why froch is well liked is because even though 99% of Boxing Fans would back Hopkins against him, Froch would still want the fight and give 100%. Thats the difference between him and Joe.
Joe only wnet after Hopkins once he had a huge win ratio in his favour and Hopkins had slost a bit. Froch will fight anybody, no matter how good they are. And all while he is a newly crowned Champ.
Who did Calzaghe fight in his first defence? Who was Calzaghe looking at in his 2nd defence? Was it Taylor and Hopkins....? Ah, didn't think so
no real need for that.Autobarn wrote:you know what i mean cunter pouncherwell duh, 'barn, Eubank hadn't retired when Benn was at his peak
Benn hadn't retired when Eubank was at his peak
when benn was world champion Eubank wasn't 3 levels below him and making his way through british/euro levels
when Eubank was world champion benn wasn't 3 levels below him and making his way through british/euro levels
benn vs eubank was an eminently makeable fight
froch Calzaghe isn't, never has been.
i'm referring to the way these 2 are dividing fans
obviously eubank and benn were peers, whereas these 2 arrived at different times. but the proximity of joe leaving and carl arriving, does make it tantalising
one good thing about the death of big all british fights is that they are getting respect on the international scene
yeah there's something about Froch that he makes the mistakes part of his style. can't hit the guy cleanly, just let him tire himself out smashing shots against your jaw and hit him round the shoulders till he's ready to collapse. there's no way in hell he will end up refining his style IMO. it's too late, and in the crucible of a world level fight, old habits will just come out....Autobarn wrote:
I've seen aggressive champs refine their styles and hope Froch can. He seems to throw his right hand like a Karate punch, as the whole right side of his body comes forward, then if his right foot comes forward he throws the right again (there was a character on TEKKEN who did that!). Things like that don't really work in boxing. No doubt there will be hard gym work before the next title defence.
well, it worked for saad muhammadCounter-puncher wrote:yeah there's something about Froch that he makes the mistakes part of his style. can't hit the guy cleanly, just let him tire himself out smashing shots against your jaw and hit him round the shoulders till he's ready to collapse. there's no way in hell he will end up refining his style IMO. it's too late, and in the crucible of a world level fight, old habits will just come out....Autobarn wrote:
I've seen aggressive champs refine their styles and hope Froch can. He seems to throw his right hand like a Karate punch, as the whole right side of his body comes forward, then if his right foot comes forward he throws the right again (there was a character on TEKKEN who did that!). Things like that don't really work in boxing. No doubt there will be hard gym work before the next title defence.
heh, all sounds good and fundamental mate. exactly why i don't expect it to happen anytime soonAutobarn wrote: well, it worked for saad muhammad
that was only one fight, give him a chance. froch has to stop acting like he is a sharp shooting power puncher and become a fighter who will break opponents down bit by bit. he has to break his challangers down at this level. hopefully taylor fight is a wakeup call
he did look limited for much of the fight, then he looked brilliant when he simply unloaded. i don't think he believed in his power earlier on, but surely will do in future fights.
so IMO won the title, kept the title, and surely now has to go about business in a different way. i would suggest hard jabs, double jabs which help prevent getting hit with counter rights. hard body shots, to set up uppercuts inside. no uppercuts from outside. no punches derived from arcade game beat 'em ups. wear the opponent down, try and chop them down like a tree. get hands back to guard after punching. throw left hooks after right hands, because if you miss the first, the latter may land and set something up. use strength sensibly, push opponent back, drive them back with the jabs. i think froch woul dhave a great jab if he fine tuned it. basic stuff, and he's more than capable of applying himself to sensible fighting...if not, he will either get KO'd or he'll make his team have heart attacks en route to more dramatic wins.
Jamie Moore?states wrote:Can you imagine if Froch built a time machine, and knocked out Leonard, Hearns, Hagler and Moore on the same night? He'd be the bestest ever, after just one night!
yes taylor knocked himself out, just as pascal wore himself downCounter-puncher wrote:heh, all sounds good and fundamental mate. exactly why i don't expect it to happen anytime soonAutobarn wrote: well, it worked for saad muhammad
that was only one fight, give him a chance. froch has to stop acting like he is a sharp shooting power puncher and become a fighter who will break opponents down bit by bit. he has to break his challangers down at this level. hopefully taylor fight is a wakeup call
he did look limited for much of the fight, then he looked brilliant when he simply unloaded. i don't think he believed in his power earlier on, but surely will do in future fights.
so IMO won the title, kept the title, and surely now has to go about business in a different way. i would suggest hard jabs, double jabs which help prevent getting hit with counter rights. hard body shots, to set up uppercuts inside. no uppercuts from outside. no punches derived from arcade game beat 'em ups. wear the opponent down, try and chop them down like a tree. get hands back to guard after punching. throw left hooks after right hands, because if you miss the first, the latter may land and set something up. use strength sensibly, push opponent back, drive them back with the jabs. i think froch woul dhave a great jab if he fine tuned it. basic stuff, and he's more than capable of applying himself to sensible fighting...if not, he will either get KO'd or he'll make his team have heart attacks en route to more dramatic wins.
by the way to me it looked exactly the same as the pascal performance, except Taylor had more to offer offensivelyand skillswise so Froch had to take more whilst landing less.
one thing i will say about what i sawasFroch's ineffective aggression- he was landing around Taylor's arms and shoulders a lot when Taylor was crouching in a guard underneath the froch right hadn. this doubtless was a large factor in taylor's tiring late on....
Cannibal wrote:"I'll never lose to 2 white British men!"
With Calzaghe refusing to take the bait, it's the biggest fight out there for Froch. Kessler is well respected among real boxing fans but Hopkins is in a different league in terms of general recognition. I also think it would be the biggest challenge for Froch and a fascinating fight.that's probably not a bad call , I mean why the hell not??nobby_nobbins wrote:I would LOVE to see Froch against Hopkins next
that's big call for a fella that took rounds to get going and was lucky he hadn't been put away.Autobarn wrote:Froch would do Taylor in 8 if there was a rematch.
Ward (WBC #2) is a good challenge as Ward is slick and we can see if Carl has made any improvements.
Hopkins would probably look like the middleweight Hopkins (no punches until round 7, slower) if he dropped down to super middle...
I should fckin hope so mate cos if he started any slower he would still be shadow boxing in a pair of handwraps in the changing room as Taylor went into round 7!Dioufy wrote:Froch would start a lot quicker in their rematch. I agree, Carl would stop him far earlier.
before that 14 seconds he was also hammering taylor with an awesome barrage of unanswered shots. it's not like he did nothing until the last seconds, though he did cut it fineNorthEastBoxingFan wrote:I should fckin hope so mate cos if he started any slower he would still be shadow boxing in a pair of handwraps in the changing room as Taylor went into round 7!Dioufy wrote:Froch would start a lot quicker in their rematch. I agree, Carl would stop him far earlier.
Carl rescued that fight with 14 seconds to go....it was an exceptional circumstance. He was getting handily beaten for the most part.