Hypothetical Match-Up Game

[allworld80]

Wlad makes Razor suck on his jab all night, until finally unloading the right in the 10th. Wlad KO10.

Jack Dempsey vs Michael Spinks @ 190

[Goodnight, Irene]

Dempsey had some trouble with a few 175lbers of note. Tunney, Carpentier & Gibbons were all successful at some stage in their bouts with him, & of those, only Tunney clearly ranks as a better man than Spinks, IMO.

Even so, Spinks was capable as a Heavyweight, but had none of the versatility, durability, or confidence above LHW which so possessed Tunney, & that was against a faded Dempsey. The prime incarnation gets Spinks out of there in three. Fast, athletic, & explosively powerful --- Dempsey is going to find Spinks, perhaps not immediately, but he'll end it when he does. He's at least the finisher Tyson was. At least.

Diego Corrales vs. Ricky Hatton over twelve rounds at 140. Let's say, upon beating Castillo, Corrales moves up around the same time Hatton has dethroned Tszyu, circa 2005...

[alexpaterson]

WAR Hatton wins in an absoulote great fight 8th round KO

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Acelino Frietas Super Featherweight 12 rounds

[Goodnight, Irene]

A shock second-round knockdown leaves Marquez hanging on for the final thirty seconds of the round, with Freitas in hot pursuit --- but that's the full extent of Popo's competitive streak in this one, as Dynamita otherwise alternatingly pummels & out-manoeuvres him from bell-to-bell, ring post-to-ring post. Freitas is wobbled by an uppercut-right hook combination early in the closing round, to boot.

Final scores of 117-110, 117-110 & 118-109 crown Marquez as the comfortable victor.

At a catchweight between Welter & Jr. Middle, Mosley & Forrest meet for a third time. Scenario? Right now, May, '08...

[allworld80]

May 08? Or 09?

Mosley rips Forrest a new one. Forrest is still a technically proficient fighter, but Sugar has aged like a fine wine, and has proven his power at Welter. Throw on a few more pounds, and I think he batters Vernon after about 4 or 5 rounds of softening a slower opponent up. No stoppage, as Forrest still has enough savvy to avoid the kill shot, but a clear decision. Mosley UD.

John Mugabi (1985) vs Kelly Pavlik (2008) for Pavlik's linear MW title

[harrygreb]

mugabi at that point in his long career was a force to be reckoned with.
here he reveals pavlik to be the pretty ordinary fighter that he is. the beast shades the first round but in the 2nd lands heavily as pavlik comes in. in the 3rd body shots begin to tear into kelly and a body to head combo has pavlik on the ropes. he survives. a quieter 4th is followed by a another quieter round except for a right hook from mugabi that induces a delayed reaction in pavlik but he ends up being counted out anyway.

mugabi KO 5

world heavyweight crown
jack johnson v ezzard charles

[Djanders]

Johnson by decision.

Sam Langford vs Jack Dempsey.

[HomicideHenry]

Langford weathers Dempsey's storm to go the distance, but Dempsey's perpetual punching off sets most of Langford's attempts to score big on the Manassa Mauler. Dempsey takes it by decision.


Main Event:

Muhammad Ali vs Gerrie Coetzee, 1979, 15 rounds, WBA Heavyweight Championship

Undercard

Paul Sykes vs Johnny Waldron, 10 rounds

[HomicideHenry]

Nobody wanting to take a crack at the hypotheticals here lately?

[My2Sense]

Nobody wanting to take a crack at the hypotheticals here lately?

Either that, or no one knows who the heck that is on your undercard.

[alexpaterson]

Ali outboxes him for 15 rounds to fast wide UD decision
not sure about the undercard though sorry

Muhammed Ali vs Gene Tunney 15 rounds Heavyweight Championship of the World

Michael Moorer vs Frank Bruno 12 rounds Undercard

[observer1]

Ali outboxes him for 15 rounds to fast wide UD decision
not sure about the undercard though sorry

Muhammed Ali vs Gene Tunney 15 rounds Heavyweight Championship of the World

Michael Moorer vs Frank Bruno 12 rounds Undercard

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Muhammad Ali by Wide UD. imo
Bruno by UD, possible late stoppage. imo

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Sonny Liston v Lewis, Prime v Prime.

[hitman09]

Ali outboxes him for 15 rounds to fast wide UD decision
not sure about the undercard though sorry

Muhammed Ali vs Gene Tunney 15 rounds Heavyweight Championship of the World

Michael Moorer vs Frank Bruno 12 rounds Undercard

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Muhammad Ali by Wide UD. imo
Bruno by UD, possible late stoppage. imo

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Sonny Liston v Lewis, Prime v Prime.

Liston KO5.


Manny Pacquiao vs Benny Leonard 15 rds at LW
Undercard
Zora Folley vs Michael Moorer 15 rds HW
Pancho Villa vs Ivan Calderon 12 rds Flyweight

[allworld80]

Leonard takes a SD over Pac

Folley scores the 7th round KO of Moorer

Calderon dances to a comfortable decision

Mike McCallum vs Fernando Vargas @ 154

[Goodnight, Irene]

Vargas' corner retire their faded charge at the end of round eleven, in the corner. He came to win, & put up a fairly good fight in the process, but McCallum was never going to lose this one.

Ike Quartey (2005) vs Manny Pacquiao (2008) at Welter...a faded Bazooka or an over-sized Pacman?

[alexpaterson]

Pacquiao speed Quartly couldnt land his big punches as Pac's footwaorks to good and to fast UD IMO

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Naseem Hamed Featherweight 12 rounds Prime-Prime

[Counter-puncher]

Pacquiao speed Quartly couldnt land his big punches as Pac's footwaorks to good and to fast UD IMO

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Naseem Hamed Featherweight 12 rounds Prime-Prime

Marquez does EXACTLY the job MAB did on Hamed, takes it by 4-6 points while having the odd little moment from naz's speed/power/freakiness.

Next:

okay... how about, middleweight king Carlos Monzon goes up to 175 and fights Dwight Muhammad Qawi...

winner faces Sadd Muhammad

15 rounds

[BoxBuzz]

Monzon takes a shellacking in the early going and makes intelligent mid course adjustments which wins him a close UD over Qawi. It is credited to pure genius ring generalship and Monzon refuses another sortie in the LH division and loses the fight with Saad by default.


Two bad behavior specialists face off. Kostya Tszyu suffers an injury and must call off his dance date with Zab, Paul has been training for another fight and is willing to mix it up with Zab in Kostya's absence. Zab must however now sweat down to lightweight.

Undefeated Paul Spadafora Vs Undefeated Zab Judah. for the IBF Lightweight title on the very day that Zab lost to Kostya. 11-03-01

[hitman09]

Monzon takes a shellacking in the early going and makes intelligent mid course adjustments which wins him a close UD over Qawi. It is credited to pure genius ring generalship and Monzon refuses another sortie in the LH division and loses the fight with Saad by default.


Two bad behavior specialists face off. Kostya Tszyu suffers an injury and must call off his dance date with Zab, Paul has been training for another fight and is willing to mix it up with Zab in Kostya's absence. Zab must however now sweat down to lightweight.

Undefeated Paul Spadafora Vs Undefeated Zab Judah. for the IBF Lightweight title on the very day that Zab lost to Kostya. 11-03-01

Spadafora KO7
Judah drained almost to death has no fight in him, looks lethargic in a one sided fight. Spadafora lands at will and Judah's corner throws in the towel near the end of round 7.

Main Event
Rocky Marciano vs Joe Frazier 15 rds HW
Undercard
Zora Folley vs Max Baer 15 rds HW
Bernard Hopkins vs Carlos Monzon 12 rds MW

[observer1]

Main Event
Rocky Marciano vs Joe Frazier 15 rds HW
Undercard
Zora Folley vs Max Baer 15 rds HW
Bernard Hopkins vs Carlos Monzon 12 rds MW

IMO Frazier wins TKO. Too big and would not let Marciano pressure him.

IMO, Baer close UD

IMO, Hopkins takes a UD. Monzon's style is something that would be no problem for Hopkins imo.

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Kevin Kelley v Barrera, 1996, who was better

[BoxBuzz]

I've watched both Monzon and Hopkins from the first 10 rows in my lifetime. The idea that Hopkins could outperform Monzon is one of the biggest stretches I've seen postulated here. I'd be very comfortable putting an uncomfortable amount of money on Carlos on this one. I simply can't imagine losing that bet.

And I'm also very happy to hear that at least one someone would be willing to accept the bet!

[observer1]

I've watched both Monzon and Hopkins from the first 10 rows in my lifetime. The idea that Hopkins could outperform Monzon is one of the biggest stretches I've seen postulated here. I'd be very comfortable putting an uncomfortable amount of money on Carlos on this one. I simply can't imagine losing that bet.

And I'm also very happy to hear that at least one someone would be willing to accept the bet!

Just Monzon was not the quickest of MW's, which is the only real thing that got rounds won against Hopkins: Work Rate. Not that it meant anything imo

I just feel will be able to tie up Monzon easily, and Hopkins was also tall for a MW, so Monzon won't have the reach advantage he usually did.

It's all opinions though. IMO, Top 3 MW's are Hagler, Hopkins and Monzon. Putting them in order is stupid, and imo, a waste of time. Nobody knows, so nobody should really care.

But since it was a Hypothetical Match up, had to go one way or another

[Robinson]

I think Monzon and Hopkins would be a good match.
I think it would be a tight and good fight. Id favour
Hopkins as I am a fan of his.

[harrygreb]

i'd favour carlos but this is the hypo so its perfectly acceptable to have hopkins KO the great argie in a round. but the spirit of this thread should also press you to give a reason for coming up with such a result. in a moment i'm going to post a very unlikely heavyweight contest with this in mind.

however first things first

barrera gains a big decision over kevin kelley - marco jabs KK's nose off all night kevin takes a knee in the 12th but gets up to see MAB'S arm raised in victory.
MAB UD 12

two jacks fight for the title. will jack force jack to jack it in?
jack bodell v jack dempsey

[My2Sense]

two jacks fight for the title. will jack force jack to jack it in?

Yes. Dempsey by KO in about 50 seconds.


Next up: Jack Sharkey vs. Jerry Quarry.