Classic American West Coast Boxing

Randyman
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3705
Joined: 20 Jul 2008, 20:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Randyman »

kikibalt wrote:Student Javier Molina is strong in the sweet science

Eric Sondheimer
May 8, 2009

If there's a fight on the campus of John Glenn High in Norwalk, forget about calling security as long as Javier Molina is close by.

"We would never use a student that way, but Javier could bring a quick end to the fight," Principal Linda Granillo said.

Molina is the rarest of high school seniors, a professional boxer who made his winning debut on ESPN with a second-round knockout on March 27 at the Nokia Theatre. Classmates cheered for him when the announcement was made during a school dance.

Last summer, he was the youngest member of the U.S. Olympic boxing team that competed in Beijing. During the opening ceremonies, he was walking with and taking pictures of Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

By day, he goes to classes in economics and graphic design. By the afternoon, he heads to the boxing gym at Bristow Park in Commerce and trains relentlessly as he pursues his goal of becoming a world champion.

"I always pictured myself as a professional boxer," he said. "It's always been my dream and now that I'm living it. It's a great feeling."

Molina, 19, was supposed to graduate last year from Glenn, but he had to miss school while training for the Olympics. He has come back because he and his parents believe nothing is more important than education, so as an honor student he'll join the class of 2009 in June graduation ceremonies.

"I'm a super senior," he said.

He serves as an admirable example of what can be accomplished when a teenager is focused on academics and athletics.

"It's been amazing for the last couple of years watching him grow from a high school student to an Olympic athlete and now this year turning pro," Granillo said. "He has put his education first."

Molina comes from a family of boxers. His father, uncle and older brother have been professional boxers, and his twin brother was a member of Mexico's Olympic team.

Molina is 5 feet 9, weighs 145 pounds and has been with trainer Roberto Luna since he was 9. He had 166 amateur fights and is a junior welterweight.

"He's always been very successful because he's disciplined," Luna said. "He's quick at making adjustments inside the ring. He understands the situations. He's not a pattern fighter. He's extremely strong and has a lot of energy."

It takes lots of energy for Molina to go from doing homework to standing in a ring and shadowboxing until sweat is coming down his face.

He gets nervous before fights, but he said, "I'm real relaxed in the ring. I know a lot of people might be thinking, 'Oh, he's scared,' because you have somebody throwing punches at you. But I don't look at it that way. I look at mostly what I'm going to do to them, not what they're going to do to me."

Classmates are still coming to terms with the fact that the unassuming boy walking around campus in a T-shirt and jeans is a pro boxer.

"Some didn't know I boxed," Molina said. "They were shocked to see me on ESPN, 'Oh yeah, that kid goes to my school.' "

The power and sting in his hands can be felt and heard as he pounds away on a heavy bag in the gym. And his intelligence comes through when he talks about getting an A in Advanced Placement biology or when he's studying economics. "I better get an A in that one so I can manage my money," he said.

He has no regrets about devoting time to school, though he admitted, "It's a little weird. One week I'm fighting, then I go back to school."

His attitude is refreshing because he understands that the places he wants to reach require time, effort and commitment.

"You can have talent," Molina said, "but if you're not disciplined, you're not going to get too far."

[email protected]

Molina is the rarest of high school seniors, a professional boxer.

To be a hight school senior and to be a boxer, might be rare, but to be a boxer and to be a high school senior is not, there is a long list of boxers that turn pro while still in high school, including my boys, Frankie and Tony, who were still in hight school when they had their first pro fight, I think Rick was still in high school when he had his first pro fight, am I right, Rick?

At the time Frankie turn pro while still in high school, La Puente High School had two pro fighters in their senior class, Frankie and Jorge "Kid Dynamita" Morales.
Image
Randyman
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 3705
Joined: 20 Jul 2008, 20:19

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Randyman »

Last night we went to Frantone's in Downy. This was Andrew's favorite place to eat when he was growing up. We had a great time. Here's a few photos.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

Roger . . .

The printer screwed up the ballots again. So they are being reprinted. Mando and i did not get together this [ast week, but I'll see him today at an E-Board meeting and then tomorrow at a board meeting. I haven't forgotten the project. Just wanted to touch bases with you on that matter.

-Rick
scartissue
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 1893
Joined: 31 Mar 2002, 20:00

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by scartissue »

It pained me not to rank Enrique Bolanos or Art Aragon, but this was such a thick division. Still, if anyone else threw them in I would have no problem.

Scartissue

LIGHTWEIGHT
Jack Blackburn (USA) (0)
Jimmy McLarnin (Ire) (1)
Billy Petrolle (USA) (1)
Jack (Kid) Berg (Eng) (1)
Kid Chocolate (Cuba) (1)
Pedro Montanez (PR) (1)
Davey Day (USA) (1)
Freddie Dawson (USA) (1)
Orlando Zulueta (Cuba) (1)
Duilio Loi (Italy) (0)
Dave Charnley (Eng) (2)
Alfredo Urbina (Mex) (0)
Flash Elorde (Phil) (2)
Carlos Hernandez (Ven) (0)
Nicolino Loche (Arg) (0)

Oh, man, we are talkin' a packed division here. Let us begin with Jack Blackburn, a turn of the century Lightweight who knocked heads with Sam Langford (3 times, and I'm not kidding), Joe Gans (3 times), Harry Greb and Philadelphia Jack O'Brien. Had his career derailed by a 5 year prison sentence and never regained the fire. Better known as the trainer of Joe Louis. Jimmy McLarnin, turned pro at Flyweight but soon filled out to terrorize the 135 pounders. Lost to Mandell for the title at 22 before moving up to 147. At 135 he beat Mandell (twice), Kid Kaplan, Billy Petrolle, Al Singer and Ruby Goldstein. Billy Petrolle, the 'Fargo Express' was enroute to an unsuccessful go at Canzoneri's crown, but along the way he beat Kid Berg, Canzoneri, McLarnin and Bat Battalino. Jack (Kid) Berg, 192 fights and 21 years later, this Jr. Welter champ, who epitomized speed as his method of attack, beat Canzoneri, Chocolate, Petrolle and Tippy Larkin, but lost some of his glorious reckless abandon after his KO loss to Canzoneri. Kid Chocolate, the 'Cuban Bon Bon', won much acclaim at 126, yet gave Canzoneri a rough go of it in his sole shot at 135. Beat Singer, Lew Feldman and Frankie Wallace at Lightweight. Pedro Montanez, a brilliant fighter at 135 who had no business fighting Armstrong at 147. Gave Ambers a run for his money for the 135 lb. title and beat among others, Ambers, Berg, Freddie Cochrane and Frankie Klick. Davey Day, an often overlooked Lightweight who, again, should not have strayed into 147 territory versus Armstrong. Lost a disputed decision to Sammy 'the Clutch' for the 135 lb. title. Beat Angott, Montanez, Bobby Pacho, Stan Loayza and retired with a 60-8-4 slate. Freddie Dawson, a hard fighter who came along during a hard era in boxing. Fought 5 world champs, with his title fight against Ike Williams sealing a 4 bout series the two waged against one another. Orlando Zulueta, the original 'razor', what with his propensity for slashing an opponents eyes. Beat Jimmy Carter, Don Jordan, Bud Smith and Paddy DeMarco before losing to Joe Brown in the 15th of his only shot at 135. Duilio Loi, this future 140 lb. champ cracked the Lightweight rankings in '54 and remained in the top three until '59 when he moved up in weight without coming within sniffing distance of a title shot. This, despite holding the Euro crown and beating Bud Smith, Zulueta, Glen Flanagan and Ray Famechon. Dave Charnley, British, Commonwealth (or Empire as it was known then) and Euro champ at 135. Lost a couple of heartbreakers to Brown for the world crown. Also beat Brown, Lane, Don Jordan, Len Matthews and Paul Armstead in a ten year career. Alfredo Urbina (see Jr. Welter), was a fixture in the ratings throughout the '60s and, aside from being one of only four men to stop the rock-jawed Angel Garcia, he was the only man to stop Eddie Perkins. Flash Elorde, not only was he a great Jr. Lightweight champ, but was also a damn good Lightweight. Aside from his two valiant challenges to Carlos Ortiz' throne, he was the Oriental 135 lb. champ and duked it out with Ismael Laguna, Frankie Narvaez and Paolo Rosi, all at Lightweight. Carlos Hernandez was a frightening force at Lightweight in the early 60s, and despite settling down at Jr. Welter where he became champ, he beat Brown, Lane, Urbina, Teo Cruz and Bunny Grant at 135. And finally, the untouchable one, Nicolino Loche. Despite Argentine and South American titles to his back, and 10 round draws with reigning 135 lb. champs Laguna and Ortiz in '65 and '66, no one was breaking down Loche's door in offering him a title fight. Therefore, he defected to the 140 lb. class where he made the division his own.

Honorable mention: Joe Rivers, Ruby Goldstein, Lew Tendler, Willie Joyce, George Araujo, Enrique Bolanos, Art Aragon, Paolo Rosi, Len Matthews, Howard Davis, Tyrone Crawley.
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

Randyman wrote:Last night we went to Frantone's in Downy. This was Andrew's favorite place to eat when he was growing up. We had a great time. Here's a few photos.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
Randy
I'm curious. How long did it take your crew to polish off the food?Rog :D
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

Rick Farris wrote:Roger . . .

The printer screwed up the ballots again. So they are being reprinted. Mando and i did not get together this [ast week, but I'll see him today at an E-Board meeting and then tomorrow at a board meeting. I haven't forgotten the project. Just wanted to touch bases with you on that matter.

-Rick
No problema amigo. Wonderfull talking to you and Mando today. :TU:
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

kikibalt wrote:Student Javier Molina is strong in the sweet science

Eric Sondheimer
May 8, 2009

If there's a fight on the campus of John Glenn High in Norwalk, forget about calling security as long as Javier Molina is close by.

"We would never use a student that way, but Javier could bring a quick end to the fight," Principal Linda Granillo said.

Molina is the rarest of high school seniors, a professional boxer who made his winning debut on ESPN with a second-round knockout on March 27 at the Nokia Theatre. Classmates cheered for him when the announcement was made during a school dance.

Last summer, he was the youngest member of the U.S. Olympic boxing team that competed in Beijing. During the opening ceremonies, he was walking with and taking pictures of Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

By day, he goes to classes in economics and graphic design. By the afternoon, he heads to the boxing gym at Bristow Park in Commerce and trains relentlessly as he pursues his goal of becoming a world champion.

"I always pictured myself as a professional boxer," he said. "It's always been my dream and now that I'm living it. It's a great feeling."

Molina, 19, was supposed to graduate last year from Glenn, but he had to miss school while training for the Olympics. He has come back because he and his parents believe nothing is more important than education, so as an honor student he'll join the class of 2009 in June graduation ceremonies.

"I'm a super senior," he said.

He serves as an admirable example of what can be accomplished when a teenager is focused on academics and athletics.

"It's been amazing for the last couple of years watching him grow from a high school student to an Olympic athlete and now this year turning pro," Granillo said. "He has put his education first."

Molina comes from a family of boxers. His father, uncle and older brother have been professional boxers, and his twin brother was a member of Mexico's Olympic team.

Molina is 5 feet 9, weighs 145 pounds and has been with trainer Roberto Luna since he was 9. He had 166 amateur fights and is a junior welterweight.

"He's always been very successful because he's disciplined," Luna said. "He's quick at making adjustments inside the ring. He understands the situations. He's not a pattern fighter. He's extremely strong and has a lot of energy."

It takes lots of energy for Molina to go from doing homework to standing in a ring and shadowboxing until sweat is coming down his face.

He gets nervous before fights, but he said, "I'm real relaxed in the ring. I know a lot of people might be thinking, 'Oh, he's scared,' because you have somebody throwing punches at you. But I don't look at it that way. I look at mostly what I'm going to do to them, not what they're going to do to me."

Classmates are still coming to terms with the fact that the unassuming boy walking around campus in a T-shirt and jeans is a pro boxer.

"Some didn't know I boxed," Molina said. "They were shocked to see me on ESPN, 'Oh yeah, that kid goes to my school.' "

The power and sting in his hands can be felt and heard as he pounds away on a heavy bag in the gym. And his intelligence comes through when he talks about getting an A in Advanced Placement biology or when he's studying economics. "I better get an A in that one so I can manage my money," he said.

He has no regrets about devoting time to school, though he admitted, "It's a little weird. One week I'm fighting, then I go back to school."

His attitude is refreshing because he understands that the places he wants to reach require time, effort and commitment.

"You can have talent," Molina said, "but if you're not disciplined, you're not going to get too far."

[email protected]

"Molina is the rarest of high school seniors, a professional boxer".

To be a hight school senior and to be a boxer, might be rare, but to be a boxer and to be a high school senior is not, there is a long list of boxers that turn pro while still in high school, including my boys, Frankie and Tony, who were still in hight school when they had their first pro fight, I think Rick was still in high school when he had his first pro fight, am I right, Rick?

At the time Frankie turn pro while still in high school, La Puente High School had two pro fighters in their senior class, Frankie and Jorge "Kid Dynamita" Morales.

Frank . . . Yes. I had my first pro bout while a senior at Burbank High School, 6/4/70. I graduated two weeks later.


-Rick Farris
Chuck1052
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4282
Joined: 11 Dec 2003, 22:08

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Chuck1052 »

I think that Juan Diaz became a pro boxer while he was in high school. It was reported Vearl Whitehead, an L.A.-based boxer who was active during the 1920s and 1930s, boxed as a pro when he was in high school.

- Chuck Johnston
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Student Javier Molina is strong in the sweet science

Eric Sondheimer
May 8, 2009

If there's a fight on the campus of John Glenn High in Norwalk, forget about calling security as long as Javier Molina is close by.

"We would never use a student that way, but Javier could bring a quick end to the fight," Principal Linda Granillo said.

Molina is the rarest of high school seniors, a professional boxer who made his winning debut on ESPN with a second-round knockout on March 27 at the Nokia Theatre. Classmates cheered for him when the announcement was made during a school dance.

Last summer, he was the youngest member of the U.S. Olympic boxing team that competed in Beijing. During the opening ceremonies, he was walking with and taking pictures of Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

By day, he goes to classes in economics and graphic design. By the afternoon, he heads to the boxing gym at Bristow Park in Commerce and trains relentlessly as he pursues his goal of becoming a world champion.

"I always pictured myself as a professional boxer," he said. "It's always been my dream and now that I'm living it. It's a great feeling."

Molina, 19, was supposed to graduate last year from Glenn, but he had to miss school while training for the Olympics. He has come back because he and his parents believe nothing is more important than education, so as an honor student he'll join the class of 2009 in June graduation ceremonies.

"I'm a super senior," he said.

He serves as an admirable example of what can be accomplished when a teenager is focused on academics and athletics.

"It's been amazing for the last couple of years watching him grow from a high school student to an Olympic athlete and now this year turning pro," Granillo said. "He has put his education first."

Molina comes from a family of boxers. His father, uncle and older brother have been professional boxers, and his twin brother was a member of Mexico's Olympic team.

Molina is 5 feet 9, weighs 145 pounds and has been with trainer Roberto Luna since he was 9. He had 166 amateur fights and is a junior welterweight.

"He's always been very successful because he's disciplined," Luna said. "He's quick at making adjustments inside the ring. He understands the situations. He's not a pattern fighter. He's extremely strong and has a lot of energy."

It takes lots of energy for Molina to go from doing homework to standing in a ring and shadowboxing until sweat is coming down his face.

He gets nervous before fights, but he said, "I'm real relaxed in the ring. I know a lot of people might be thinking, 'Oh, he's scared,' because you have somebody throwing punches at you. But I don't look at it that way. I look at mostly what I'm going to do to them, not what they're going to do to me."

Classmates are still coming to terms with the fact that the unassuming boy walking around campus in a T-shirt and jeans is a pro boxer.

"Some didn't know I boxed," Molina said. "They were shocked to see me on ESPN, 'Oh yeah, that kid goes to my school.' "

The power and sting in his hands can be felt and heard as he pounds away on a heavy bag in the gym. And his intelligence comes through when he talks about getting an A in Advanced Placement biology or when he's studying economics. "I better get an A in that one so I can manage my money," he said.

He has no regrets about devoting time to school, though he admitted, "It's a little weird. One week I'm fighting, then I go back to school."

His attitude is refreshing because he understands that the places he wants to reach require time, effort and commitment.

"You can have talent," Molina said, "but if you're not disciplined, you're not going to get too far."

[email protected]

"Molina is the rarest of high school seniors, a professional boxer".

To be a hight school senior and to be a boxer, might be rare, but to be a boxer and to be a high school senior is not, there is a long list of boxers that turn pro while still in high school, including my boys, Frankie and Tony, who were still in hight school when they had their first pro fight, I think Rick was still in high school when he had his first pro fight, am I right, Rick?

At the time Frankie turn pro while still in high school, La Puente High School had two pro fighters in their senior class, Frankie and Jorge "Kid Dynamita" Morales.

Frank . . . Yes. I had my first pro bout while a senior at Burbank High School, 6/4/70. I graduated two weeks later.


-Rick Farris
Rick....Just for the hell of it, I check Frankie and Tony's records to see how many fights they had as high school seniors...Frankie had three, Tony four....I remember that many of the La Puente High School student body would show up for Frankie and Tony's fight, bringing moms/dads, plus sisters/brothers, uncles, et.al
Last edited by kikibalt on 08 May 2009, 18:57, edited 1 time in total.
Chuck1052
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4282
Joined: 11 Dec 2003, 22:08

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Chuck1052 »

It was reported that Dom DiMaggio, the brother of Joe and Vince, passed away at the age of 92 today. Dom was a terrific defensive centerfielder who also had a good lifetime batting average while playing for the Boston Red Sox. It was thought that Dom would have had a good chance of getting into the Baseball Hall of Fame if he played a few more seasons instead of being in the service during World War II.

But Dom did go on to raise a family and to be a very successful businessman. Based on what I've read, Dom was well-liked individual. I hope that Dom's family, friends, former teammates and fans accept my condolences.

- Chuck Johnston
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Roger . . .

The printer screwed up the ballots again. So they are being reprinted. Mando and i did not get together this [ast week, but I'll see him today at an E-Board meeting and then tomorrow at a board meeting. I haven't forgotten the project. Just wanted to touch bases with you on that matter.

-Rick
No problema amigo. Wonderfull talking to you and Mando today. :TU:
Roger . . . We enjoyed talking with you as well. In an attempt to organize fund raisers, things can become complicated as many have ideas but have no idea how to make them happen. In this case, we have discussed showing your art at the annual Induction banquet, and we will. However, I have persueded them to hold a gallery type exhibition before hand. We may combine this with another event that will be held after the art exhibit (in the same room). A saturday night was mentioned (no date as of yet), between 7-10pm at the Commerce Casino. Today was the "idea" day, no solid plans as of yet and pending your overseas holiday plans. I'm the one pushing this and the E-Board is supportive. Tomorrow we will inform the the rest on the Board of Directors, that we will have a visitor at our next meeting on Sat. June 3rd (10am) also at the Commerce Casino. You'll see the room we have in mind and together we'll figure out the best way showcase the paintings. There is a lot of wall space that is empty, and would lend itself very nicely to the art. We'll need to affix the product to the wall, and based on how I know set decorators work in the film industry do such, it will be very easy without damaging the walls or the art. Using easels is very nice, but not cost effective and a pain in the ass to rent, transport and set-up. As an artist, you are far more knowledgable than I am in this regard. We are open for suggestions.

The reason I'm sharing this with the thread is we are all friends, and somebody just might have an idea or suggestion. If so, feel free to share it and if it can help us we will certainly use it.

Naturally, our goal is to generate revenue for both artist and WBHOF. However, regardless of whether we are successful or not, it will help us plan the next showing which will be at the HOF Banquet on October 24th. Once we've done this, we''ll have a better idea for setting up the banquet gallery. For the first event, we will invite all the champions and boxing personalities that always support the WBHOF. Guys like Danny Lopez, Freddie Roach, Bobby Chacon, Carlos Palomino, the usual suspects, the local guys. I'll have my cameraman there capturing everything on video.

When the details are worked out, and the date set, I hope that all of our Southern Cal regulars can attend this one. Personally, I want to see the look on the faces of these guys when they discover their image on the wall. I know how I am affected when I see Rog's art on this thread, I can only imagine how they might feel when they see themselves on canvas, up close and personal. It's the greatest compliment they can receieve, in my opinion. The WBHOF is about honoring the legends, and this is an honor.


-Rick Farris
Last edited by Rick Farris on 08 May 2009, 22:23, edited 4 times in total.
Expug
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4446
Joined: 27 Dec 2005, 18:40

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Expug »

scartissue wrote:It pained me not to rank Enrique Bolanos or Art Aragon, but this was such a thick division. Still, if anyone else threw them in I would have no problem.

Scartissue

LIGHTWEIGHT
Jack Blackburn (USA) (0)
Jimmy McLarnin (Ire) (1)
Billy Petrolle (USA) (1)
Jack (Kid) Berg (Eng) (1)
Kid Chocolate (Cuba) (1)
Pedro Montanez (PR) (1)
Davey Day (USA) (1)
Freddie Dawson (USA) (1)
Orlando Zulueta (Cuba) (1)
Duilio Loi (Italy) (0)
Dave Charnley (Eng) (2)
Alfredo Urbina (Mex) (0)
Flash Elorde (Phil) (2)
Carlos Hernandez (Ven) (0)
Nicolino Loche (Arg) (0)

Oh, man, we are talkin' a packed division here. Let us begin with Jack Blackburn, a turn of the century Lightweight who knocked heads with Sam Langford (3 times, and I'm not kidding), Joe Gans (3 times), Harry Greb and Philadelphia Jack O'Brien. Had his career derailed by a 5 year prison sentence and never regained the fire. Better known as the trainer of Joe Louis. Jimmy McLarnin, turned pro at Flyweight but soon filled out to terrorize the 135 pounders. Lost to Mandell for the title at 22 before moving up to 147. At 135 he beat Mandell (twice), Kid Kaplan, Billy Petrolle, Al Singer and Ruby Goldstein. Billy Petrolle, the 'Fargo Express' was enroute to an unsuccessful go at Canzoneri's crown, but along the way he beat Kid Berg, Canzoneri, McLarnin and Bat Battalino. Jack (Kid) Berg, 192 fights and 21 years later, this Jr. Welter champ, who epitomized speed as his method of attack, beat Canzoneri, Chocolate, Petrolle and Tippy Larkin, but lost some of his glorious reckless abandon after his KO loss to Canzoneri. Kid Chocolate, the 'Cuban Bon Bon', won much acclaim at 126, yet gave Canzoneri a rough go of it in his sole shot at 135. Beat Singer, Lew Feldman and Frankie Wallace at Lightweight. Pedro Montanez, a brilliant fighter at 135 who had no business fighting Armstrong at 147. Gave Ambers a run for his money for the 135 lb. title and beat among others, Ambers, Berg, Freddie Cochrane and Frankie Klick. Davey Day, an often overlooked Lightweight who, again, should not have strayed into 147 territory versus Armstrong. Lost a disputed decision to Sammy 'the Clutch' for the 135 lb. title. Beat Angott, Montanez, Bobby Pacho, Stan Loayza and retired with a 60-8-4 slate. Freddie Dawson, a hard fighter who came along during a hard era in boxing. Fought 5 world champs, with his title fight against Ike Williams sealing a 4 bout series the two waged against one another. Orlando Zulueta, the original 'razor', what with his propensity for slashing an opponents eyes. Beat Jimmy Carter, Don Jordan, Bud Smith and Paddy DeMarco before losing to Joe Brown in the 15th of his only shot at 135. Duilio Loi, this future 140 lb. champ cracked the Lightweight rankings in '54 and remained in the top three until '59 when he moved up in weight without coming within sniffing distance of a title shot. This, despite holding the Euro crown and beating Bud Smith, Zulueta, Glen Flanagan and Ray Famechon. Dave Charnley, British, Commonwealth (or Empire as it was known then) and Euro champ at 135. Lost a couple of heartbreakers to Brown for the world crown. Also beat Brown, Lane, Don Jordan, Len Matthews and Paul Armstead in a ten year career. Alfredo Urbina (see Jr. Welter), was a fixture in the ratings throughout the '60s and, aside from being one of only four men to stop the rock-jawed Angel Garcia, he was the only man to stop Eddie Perkins. Flash Elorde, not only was he a great Jr. Lightweight champ, but was also a damn good Lightweight. Aside from his two valiant challenges to Carlos Ortiz' throne, he was the Oriental 135 lb. champ and duked it out with Ismael Laguna, Frankie Narvaez and Paolo Rosi, all at Lightweight. Carlos Hernandez was a frightening force at Lightweight in the early 60s, and despite settling down at Jr. Welter where he became champ, he beat Brown, Lane, Urbina, Teo Cruz and Bunny Grant at 135. And finally, the untouchable one, Nicolino Loche. Despite Argentine and South American titles to his back, and 10 round draws with reigning 135 lb. champs Laguna and Ortiz in '65 and '66, no one was breaking down Loche's door in offering him a title fight. Therefore, he defected to the 140 lb. class where he made the division his own.

Honorable mention: Joe Rivers, Ruby Goldstein, Lew Tendler, Willie Joyce, George Araujo, Enrique Bolanos, Art Aragon, Paolo Rosi, Len Matthews, Howard Davis, Tyrone Crawley.

More great work Dan!
Im enjoying your rankings in all the divisions.

Heres a couple more great old contenders.

Charley White. Great left hook.A ko artist. Gave Benny Leonard a rough go.
Benny Valger. Ray Arcel spoke in a book about how great this guy was. Never stopped in 191 fights.
raylawpc
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4871
Joined: 21 Mar 2008, 17:21

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by raylawpc »

Back in the hospital with my heart, guys. I'll know more after tests tomorrow.
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

raylawpc wrote:Back in the hospital with my heart, guys. I'll know more after tests tomorrow.
Hang in there Tom, we're all pulling and praying for you, be sure to let us know how you come out.... :TU:
Expug
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 4446
Joined: 27 Dec 2005, 18:40

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Expug »

kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Back in the hospital with my heart, guys. I'll know more after tests tomorrow.
Hang in there Tom, we're all pulling and praying for you, be sure to let us know how you come out.... :TU:

Get well soon Tom.
Our prayers are with you.
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

raylawpc wrote:Back in the hospital with my heart, guys. I'll know more after tests tomorrow.
Tom
Take care pal. My thoughts will be with you. Rog :TU:
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

SLY MONGOOSE

Boxing,jazz,food,and women were 'ol Arch's priorities of thought as I could tell. Not necessarily in that order. I'm sure he switched them around when the mood told him. However as his beard grew more gray,his involvement with kids I think edged into that category. It was something he could give back.His life experiences. What he had seen. That was important to him.

I used to watch him fight on TV when I was a kid. The first Durelle fight might have gotten more people hooked on boxing than any other fight of that decade. When I finally stumbled upon knowing him a little many years later,I don't think boxing was as much a preference as teaching what he had learned from his life as a boxer.

Archie Moore believed that a man's word was the the most valued commodity a person could acquire. I'll pass this along again because the person who told me this story recently passed away. Bobby Rodriguez was a kid in San Diego when Moore was about to fight Marciano for the title. Bobby grew up in the fields in the San Jouquin Valley picking lettuce with his parents to help make things meet. While Bobby was working in the fields he came down with TB.

Bobby was sent to the TB ward at County Hospital down in San Diego. Archie Moore(for whatever reason)came to visit the patients. Bobby told me everyone was excited. Just seeing Archie smile made all the sick kids happy.

Well Archie promised those kids he'd win the heavy weight title. And when he won that title, he'd come back and show the belt to the kids. Well we know what happened.

But Archie came back anyway. He'd promised the kids he'd return,but he wasn't wearing the crown. Bobby told me that Archie felt he had let those kids down. Hell,those boys were just happy to see their favorite fighter.

Bobby used to own the Elbo Rest Bar in National City. i bet he had told that story more than a thousand times. And I bet he loved to tell it. When I last saw Bobby he was in the death grasp of diabetes. You knew it was going to get him. Then a few months ago I saw the "For Sale" sign on the door. The panaderia guy next door said that Bobby had died. The family was selling the place.

Too bad the panaderia guy didn't have the key. I wanted to sit at the bar with a cold one and have Bobby run that story one more time by me.
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

dagosd2000 wrote:SLY MONGOOSE

Boxing,jazz,food,and women were 'ol Arch's priorities of thought as I could tell. Not necessarily in that order. I'm sure he switched them around when the mood told him. However as his beard grew more gray,his involvement with kids I think edged into that category. It was something he could give back.His life experiences. What he had seen. That was important to him.

I used to watch him fight on TV when I was a kid. The first Durelle fight might have gotten more people hooked on boxing than any other fight of that decade. When I finally stumbled upon knowing him a little many years later,I don't think boxing was as much a preference as teaching what he had learned from his life as a boxer.

Archie Moore believed that a man's word was the the most valued commodity a person could acquire. I'll pass this along again because the person who told me this story recently passed away. Bobby Rodriguez was a kid in San Diego when Moore was about to fight Marciano for the title. Bobby grew up in the fields in the San Jouquin Valley picking lettuce with his parents to help make things meet. While Bobby was working in the fields he came down with TB.

Bobby was sent to the TB ward at County Hospital down in San Diego. Archie Moore(for whatever reason)came to visit the patients. Bobby told me everyone was excited. Just seeing Archie smile made all the sick kids happy.

Well Archie promised those kids he'd win the heavy weight title. And when he won that title, he'd come back and show the belt to the kids. Well we know what happened.

But Archie came back anyway. He'd promised the kids he'd return,but he wasn't wearing the crown. Bobby told me that Archie felt he had let those kids down. Hell,those boys were just happy to see their favorite fighter.

Bobby used to own the Elbo Rest Bar in National City. i bet he had told that story more than a thousand times. And I bet he loved to tell it. When I last saw Bobby he was in the death grasp of diabetes. You knew it was going to get him. Then a few months ago I saw the "For Sale" sign on the door. The panaderia guy next door said that Bobby had died. The family was selling the place.

Too bad the panaderia guy didn't have the key. I wanted to sit at the bar with a cold one and have Bobby run that story one more time by me.

Great story, Rog. By the way, the next board meeting for the WBHOF is Sat. June 13th at 10am. (not the 3rd as I mistakenly wrote in a previous post.)

-Rick
Rick Farris
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 7200
Joined: 15 Feb 2008, 16:04

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by Rick Farris »

raylawpc wrote:Back in the hospital with my heart, guys. I'll know more after tests tomorrow.
Tom . . . I wish you the best. Hope you feel better, will say another prayer for you. I want you to know that you'll be pleased when you see all the past greats that I've been able to dig up, those who were inducted and lost. I appreciate all of the suggestions you have mentioned, one of course, will be inducted this year. As a result of your bringing up the name George Dixon, he will not only be recognized this year, but he will be acknowledged by one of two high profile celebs. This has also brought forth a small flood of information out on the man, he's kinda the talk of us involved with the group. Again, thanks and I pray for your health.

-Rick
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

For you guys who came around to late to read the "Los Angeles Mirror News Sports" page

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00 ... 9c1970c-pi
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Gf4qUFP1I

Tongolele

That's Hap Ithink(the guy who comes in with that) :lol:
kikibalt
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 13128
Joined: 24 Oct 2005, 18:39

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by kikibalt »

dagosd2000 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Gf4qUFP1I

Tongolele

That's Hap Ithink(the guy who comes in with that) :lol:
Was that Hap dancing?

Btw, thats a 1941 Chevy.
dagosd2000
Heavyweight
Heavyweight
Posts: 8638
Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Post by dagosd2000 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBCydnIVmn0

El Bolero De Raquel

Cantinflas
Post Reply