Fighers who got Old at a young age

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 07 Aug 2004, 07:24

Which well known fighters got shot/old at the young age? where most people thought they had many years left in them.

heres a good one

Bowe

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 07 Aug 2004, 07:30

Wilfred Beneitez

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 07 Aug 2004, 07:38

David Walker

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 07 Aug 2004, 10:58

David Reid, Fernando Vargas(?)

Here's another.... Danny Williams

beduff · Post by **beduff** » 07 Aug 2004, 11:20

naseem hamed

CerberuS · Post by **CerberuS** » 07 Aug 2004, 12:36

Mike Tyson

IronKidDynamite · Post by **IronKidDynamite** » 07 Aug 2004, 12:52

David Walker was exciting but never really had any world class potential so he's not in the list. Had a few exciting fights but who cares about exciting light hitters? 10 KOs in 21 wins.

Tyson and Hamed are in the list as is Cuevas and Benitez, although Benitez won the title at 17 so had a good run.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 07 Aug 2004, 13:37

IronKidDynamite wrote:but who cares about exciting light hitters?.

I do.

Dynamite Dean Phillips · Post by **Dynamite Dean Phillips** » 07 Aug 2004, 14:15

To be fair, 10 KOs in 21 is not bad, but it all depends on the level of opposition.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 07 Aug 2004, 14:21

Dynamite Dean Phillips wrote:To be fair, 10 KOs in 21 is not bad, but it all depends on the level of opposition.

Very true, and as we all know statistic only tell part of the story.

e.g. Herol Greham had a 'low-ish' KO percentage, but when he wanted to he had a good punch.

Johnny Nelson is the same.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 07 Aug 2004, 14:43

Lol i don't think some people have quite grasped the question! Mike Tyson was never shot at a relatively young age and neither was Naseem who was never really shot...although i suppose my good friend named him tongue in cheek

Lamarr Murphy is only 29 but looked an old man in his last fight, Justin Jukko is not the oldest guy but after a succession of hard fights is shot at 30 and looking like an old man.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 08 Aug 2004, 10:49

Some people were classing Steve Murray as shot goods a few years ago (which I disagree). Some people are calling Hasim Rahman shot now (and I tend to agree with that one, although its a bit premature to base it on two fights).

I don't believe David Walker is shot now, he's just never been a top ten domestic fighter.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 08 Aug 2004, 12:23

stujones wrote:Some people were classing Steve Murray as shot goods a few years ago (which I disagree). Some people are calling Hasim Rahman shot now (and I tend to agree with that one, although its a bit premature to base it on two fights).

I don't believe David Walker is shot now, he's just never been a top ten domestic fighter.

I was suggesting Walker has lost his sharpness (got old rather than shot)

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 08 Aug 2004, 14:35

Matchfixer,

Fair enough - I just think Walker was never that good and I think he would be struggling against the fighters he's fighting much earlier in his career aswell.

Without any disrespect intended, Jimmy Vincent regularly failed at domestic level before the Walker fight and I don't believe he as improved as people make out. Yes, he beat David Barnes in my eyes, but I believe Barnes is another fighter who is overated and will be exposed again. Barnes may have not looked close to losing since the fight, but his opposition have not been of Vincent's level. Some people tipped Vincent to beat Magee as a result of his wins over Walker and Barnes, but he got outclassed.

Walker should be ranked around the 13-16 mark in Britain at Light Middle, I just don't think he is all he was hyped up to be and hasn't deteriorated - perhaps you've seen him in the flesh, but from TV he's pretty much the fighter I have always seen, tough but limited fighter not good enough to truly crack the domestic top ten.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Aug 2004, 14:37

Lloyd Honeyghan
Donald Curry
Barry Mcguigan

Not checked their ages, but I think all were 30 or younger when they were already well past their best.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 08 Aug 2004, 14:49

Barry was around the 28 mark when he lost to McDonnell. However, I think its one of those Naseem Hamed things with him. I remember his comeback well, at first he started off looking a shadow of his former self - but he seemed to be getting things together in his 3rd fight back (the one before McDonnell). That was his best performance pretty much since winning the title and the drums began rolling for Nelson vs McGuigan again (I don't want to start that again!).

His fight with McDonnell was a cagey affair and he seemed to be begining to get into his stride when the cut happend. His heart wasn't in the game or he wouldn't have retired on such a dissapointing note.

Perhaps your right James, certainly "on paper" you could say McGuigan wasn't the same fighter after losing to Cruz, but I just think his comeback was building momentum when his skin problems re-opened (literally).

The others are spot on, Curry was in his mid 20's when he lost to McCallum (which was his last great performace, up untill THE punch).

Honeyghun was in his twenties when he lost to Starling and I think he was 30 when he lost to Breland. He still had some good performances left after, but at a lower level. Honeyghun did gain the Commonwealth title a couple years after Breland and but his comeback folded when he lost to Pazienza on the Stewart vs Holyfield II bill.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Aug 2004, 15:06

Yes, Honeyghan never looked anything like the moster who beat Curry after he lost to starling, and he looked like a 50 year old against Pazman, his balance was gone, his timing, everything, it all seemed to desert him pretty quickly. I think he didn't take very good care of himself between fights.

I remember watching McCallum whack Curry out, what a fantastic punch, and Curry was having it pretty much all his own way up until that point, but couldn't get out of the way of that punch. That was a career ender right there, though of course Curry continued, he was never the same man mentally or physically.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 08 Aug 2004, 15:12

I don't think it's too early to put Shane Mosley into this category. IMO, he'd certainly lost something even before the Forrest fights, and certainly now is just a shadow of the fighter we saw at lightweight.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Aug 2004, 15:45

John H. Stracey went quick. He beat Napoles, stopped Hedgemon Lewis in a quick first defence, then got massacred by Palomino and Dave Green.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 08 Aug 2004, 15:49

Howard Eastman LOOKS like an old man, lol, he looks around 45... 8)

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 08 Aug 2004, 19:34

Yeah, I agree with the Moseley one, he may go on to win a version of the world title - but the fighter that out speeded DLH in their first meeting has gone forever. As predicted by McGuigan after the first Forrest fight.

Some people believe Fernando Vargas is much the same and he was a faded fighter when he fought DLH. I think its too early for him, he lost to all time great in Trinidad and DLH and I personally believe that he just falls shorts of greatness and thats why he lost. Be interesting to see how he fairs in his next couple of fights.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 09 Aug 2004, 00:32

20's British boxer Nipper Pat Daly turned pro at 11, and was washed up at 17.

Leslie (Wildcat) Carter out of Everett, Washington was washed up at 19.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 09 Aug 2004, 05:38

tegenm wrote:20's British boxer Nipper Pat Daly turned pro at 11, and was washed up at 17.

Turned Pro at 11!! That's interesting, did he have to lie about his age? or was that allowed in those days? Anyone know when the current UK age limit was introduced?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 09 Aug 2004, 05:47

glittermonkey wrote:I don't think it's too early to put Shane Mosley into this category. IMO, he'd certainly lost something even before the Forrest fights, and certainly now is just a shadow of the fighter we saw at lightweight.

Yep, he's definetly past his best. Without speed he's nothing. He should have fought at light welterweight instead of leapfrogging up the divisions.

DIRT SUGAR · Post by **DIRT SUGAR** » 09 Aug 2004, 08:13

Meldrick Taylor. Looked fantastic beating Buddy McGirt for the IBF 10st belt, but was never the same after being stopped in the last few seconds against Chavez. He never got over that, despite winning a belt in the 10st7lb division.

David Reid. The droopy-eyed Olympic champ. Finished after his hammering at the hands of Felix Trinidad.