THE GREATEST MIDDLEWEIGHT

marcelo · Post by **marcelo** » 09 Aug 2004, 00:55

By these days carlos monzon would be 62. he was imo the greatest middleweight i´ve ever seen. (best straight ever)

I wish he could live more ´cause he died too young (at 50) in a terrible car accident.

Monzon was the best..... hopkins, oscar, tito, leonard or even hagler wouldn´t beat him.

One of the all-time greatest champions and a very humble person!!!

I strongly recommend to see his fights!!!!

Orishaman · Post by **Orishaman** » 09 Aug 2004, 20:11

Carlos Monzon, without a doubt, was the best 160 pounder ever.

The man held the title for 8 years, did not lost a fight for 12 plus years. Retired champion.

I can not see any middleweight that can come close to Carlos, from 1970 to his retirement in 1977, he was the best and still the best, 87-3-9, with 59 KO';s with great competition in the hands of Nino Benvennuti, MAntequilla Napoles, Rodrigo Valdez, the tought Phylly cat Bennie Briscoe, Emil Griffith.

In second place you would have to put BHop, but his competiton level was not nearly to the level that Carlos faced, a master stauker, with heavy hands a master boxer, that his erect style was extremelly effective, deasiving!

Benvenutti another great one, Tony Zale has to be in anyones top 5 list!!!

BOXING RULES · Post by **BOXING RULES** » 09 Aug 2004, 22:03

Jake Lamotta to my standards would have to be the greatest middleweight he was such an entertaining fighter. oh and this is kinda off topic but shouldnt this be in the boxers of the past thread

marcelo · Post by **marcelo** » 09 Aug 2004, 23:58

yeah, you are right.....but i posted it only to remember his birthday...i think that this section is the most visited in the forum

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 10 Aug 2004, 13:00

Good topic, wrong forum:

http://www.boxrec.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20775

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 10 Aug 2004, 14:14

Orishaman wrote:Carlos Monzon, without a doubt, was the best 160 pounder ever.

The man held the title for 8 years, did not lost a fight for 12 plus years. Retired champion.

I can not see any middleweight that can come close to Carlos, from 1970 to his retirement in 1977, he was the best and still the best, 87-3-9, with 59 KO';s with great competition in the hands of Nino Benvennuti, MAntequilla Napoles, Rodrigo Valdez, the tought Phylly cat Bennie Briscoe, Emil Griffith.

In second place you would have to put BHop, but his competiton level was not nearly to the level that Carlos faced, a master stauker, with heavy hands a master boxer, that his erect style was extremelly effective, deasiving!

Benvenutti another great one, Tony Zale has to be in anyones top 5 list!!!

Hopkins at 2nd???? Are you crazy???? No way does Hopkins rank over Greb, Hagler, Robinson etc. Actually, I'm not even sure he's up there with Griffith.

topman · Post by **topman** » 11 Aug 2004, 22:35

dempseyfire can u explain the reason why hopkins who has won every fight since 93 apart from a no decision wiv allen in the 1st fight.hes held the title for 9 years making 18 defences.thats great in anyones language an d should b up there wiv the rest of them.the man has skill,power, a great jab, can fight on the inside and outside,and if need b can get dirty

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 12 Aug 2004, 12:25

topman wrote:dempseyfire can u explain the reason why hopkins who has won every fight since 93 apart from a no decision wiv allen in the 1st fight.hes held the title for 9 years making 18 defences.thats great in anyones language an d should b up there wiv the rest of them.the man has skill,power, a great jab, can fight on the inside and outside,and if need b can get dirty

Except for Roy Jones (who beat him 8 rounds to 4 one-handed), Hopkins' competition during his title career has been mediocre at best - a string of decent-but-far-from-great middleweights and blown-up welters (e.g. Trinidad). I like Hopkins, I think he's a very good fighter, but he's *never* beaten a genuine hall-of-fame-caliber true middleweight. Probably squeaks into the top 10 all-time, but to rank him up there with (or worse, above) guys like Hagler, Robinson, Greb and Griffith is ludicrous.

fleetwood lac · Post by **fleetwood lac** » 12 Aug 2004, 15:48

I wouldn't put Bernard over the guys mentioned earlier but that's only because of thier level of competition being a bit higher. As far as skills go, I would put him in with any Middleweight in history and watch as he won his share as well as losing a few along the way. Bernard is better than most give him credit for. What's up E?

shanbopop · Post by **shanbopop** » 12 Aug 2004, 19:15

ray robinson the best a;ll time middleweight an best P4P fighter ever nuff said

topman · Post by **topman** » 12 Aug 2004, 20:47

erictheviking wrote that trinidad was just a blown up welter.yes his best years were at welter,but look what he did 2 vargas and reid at light middle,and joppy at middle,blew them away.they might not be greats but were the best in there division at the time.trinidad is a great boxer,but hopkins completely frustrated him,outboxed him,then took him apart. hopkins is a classic all round fighter.not always the prettiest,but always effective.as 4 roy jones jr,the greatest talent there has ever been.if stayed at middle would have emerged the greatest of em all. you tell me which other middle weight could have stepped up and won a version of the heavy weight title.he is the total package

fleetwood lac · Post by **fleetwood lac** » 13 Aug 2004, 11:17

I don't think that any Middleweight in history could fight go through Greb, Monzon, Hagler,Ketchel, Robinson, Lamotta etc without a loss. Hopkins would win some and he'd lose some. He does belong in the elite group of Middleweights.

The Scranton Assassin · Post by **The Scranton Assassin** » 18 Aug 2004, 22:22

Harry Greb. The Best. Did u know he sparred 4 rounds with Dempsey and totaly outboxed him?

marcelo · Post by **marcelo** » 19 Aug 2004, 00:13

bollocks wrote:Monzon, Hagler, Ketchel, Greb, Charley Burley, who really knows who was the best ever at middle? I do know however, that all of them would have beaten Hopkins

p.s. Monzon was an arrogant murdering arsehole

arrogant???? I wrote Monzon, not Ali. Monzon was the humblest person in the world (of boxing).

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 19 Aug 2004, 00:43

Monzon was far from in humble in boxing or out.

Greb sparred a lot more than four rounds with Dempsey.

marcelo · Post by **marcelo** » 19 Aug 2004, 23:07

ok. Carlos was rude, a man without education, but he never seemed to be arrogant. I am from Argentina... i watched a lot of Monzon fights and the interviews after the fight.... Apart from this, when he went to jail he was interviewed a hundred times, he taught boxing to the inmates and he had perfect behaviour.

Why do you say that about carlos? Maybe you´ve seen something I haven´t.

cheers

THE GREATEST MIDDLEWEIGHT

THE GREATEST MIDDLEWEIGHT

Hopkins may be better than you think.

Best Middleweight ----Ray Robinson

I'm not so sure about that.

Monzon