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Frank do you know if Dolph Thomas' Gym and Royal Gym were one and the same? Both were gone before I came along, I only knew Newman's and Hermans on Leavinworth St. which is gone now too. I'll try to drive by 541 Turk St. in the next few days to see what is there now.
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Bruce....Sorry I don't know if they were or not.
I told my father about the envelope you had posted and he confirmed that Royal Gym was the same as Dolph Thomas' Gym. He said he knew Dolph Thomas' grandaughter she is a waitress around SF and she told him that she has all of Dolph's boxing stuff, boy I bet there is some good stuff to see!
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Randyman wrote:I ran across this great article on the Ring Magazine Blog and thought it was worth sharing-Randy


Classic Column: What makes a good fighter?
Posted May. 19, 2009 at 12:06pm
By W.C. Heinz

Classic Columns by magazine founder Nat Fleischer and other RING magazine writers over the past 86 years are posted Tuesdays. Today's column was selected because of all the talk about the best fighter pound-for-pound and the fighter of the decade. W.C. Heinz provided his thoughts on what makes a good fighter in the July 1951 issue.


Joey Maxim was in New York to fight Olle Tandberg, the heavyweight champion of Sweden. This was three years ago, and we were sitting in the dressing room he was using in Stillman’s and he was telling us about the time Curtis Sheppard caught him cold in the first round and pinned him in a corner and knocked him out.

“Believe me,” Joey said, “there’s no other feeling in the world like the feeling of being knocked out. You can’t imagine what it’s like.”

“I can’t,” Francis Albertanti said. “You tell me.”

“I come to in the dressing room,” Maxim said. “Everybody is standing around with long faces and tears in their eyes. It’s like I just died. I start crying myself, I’m saying: ‘I’ll go to work. I’ll dig ditches. I’ll do anything.’

“After a while I feel better. I have my shower and I get dressed and I go up to the office to get paid. Sheppard is up there, and he’s a real good guy. He knows he was lucky and he won’t catch me like that again, and he tells me he thinks I got a bad break and I’m entitled to a return.

“Three weeks later I go back with the guy and this time I win it in 10,” Maxim said, looking at us and nodding his head “How do you like that? The guy knocks me out and he’s willing to take me back.”
Francis and I were walking down Eighth Avenue about a half hour later. I was thinking about what Maxim had said.

“He sits there,” I said, “and he tells us what a great thing it is that Sheppard, who has just flattened him, is willing to take him back.”
“I know,” Francis said.

“While he’s talking,” I said, “I’m thinking what a hell of a thing it is that Maxim wants to go back.”
“I know,” Francis said. “I am thinking the same thing myself.”

Joey Maxim is a good fighter. He is good enough to be a champion of the world. His fights do not inspire enthusiasm and his style appears controlled by his caution, and yet if you ask me to enumerate the qualities that go into the making of a good fighter I must give you Maxim and the way he went back with Sheppard. More than that, I must give you his casual acceptance of his own act, his amazement that Sheppard would take him back.

We are thinking about good fighters, the ones of our time, and so Joe Louis belongs in this. The things that make any fighter good, or great, are many, and in the days when Louis was great they analyzed this great¬ness as deriving from fast reflexes, fast hands, and proper schooling in the use of these gifts.

There was nothing wrong with this definition, except that it left those who knew Louis only from a distance perplexed. The placid, unchanging expression of his face, his slow, uninspired manner of speech gave rise to the opinion that his was only an animal ability, and some, at least, concluded that boxing greatness does not require agility of mind.

That is where they were wrong, and Louis proved it on a number of occasions. He proved it on a day in Pompton Lakes in 1946. He was training to meet Billy Conn for the second time, and we were all standing around, crowded, in the dressing room watching Manny Seamon wrapping Joe’s hands.

We were not saying much. We never did say much around Joe, but it had been written many times that Conn looked fast and that his speed might befuddle Louis, and then, as we all stood there, somebody mentioned this.

When he did, Louis said something. He raised his eyes slowly, from watching Manny, and then he came out with the best line that was spoken or written about that fight. Then he went back to watching Manny.

“Billy can run,” Joe said, simply, “but he can’t hide.”

Lines are our stock in trade, not Joe’s, but he did not surprise those of us who knew him as much as it was ever possible for us to know Joe. He had given us one of those rare opportunities to look into that mind, the mind that could recognize an opening and use it. He had explained, without trying to do so, the ability to take the single opening that Paolino Uzcudun gave him in four rounds, and with one punch, probably the most devastating single punch Louis ever threw, flatten Uzcudun.

It is generally agreed that Joe’s greatest fight was his second fight against Max Schme¬ling. Goaded by hurt pride he angrily annihilated in less than a round a good fighter who had previously knocked him out. Emotional excitement inspired his most creative performance and made it his best. Thus it comes down that the good fighter is the creative fighter, the one who is able to rise above the mech¬anical limitations of the sport.

Such a one was the Rocky Graziano who, on July 12, 1947, won the middle¬weight championship of the world. Far from a master of the moves of the sport, the Graziano of that time was a fighter whose creative ability, coupled with his right hand, more than made up for his lack of technical talent.
It was a few minutes after Graziano had knocked out Tony Zale in the heat of the Chicago Stadium and in one of the most fierce fights of our era, that several of us were crowding him in the closeness of his dressing room. His one eye was closed and a clip held together the flesh above the other, and someone asked him to try to explain how he felt during the fury of that fight with Zale.

“I wanted to kill him,” Rocky said. “I don’t know why. I got nothing against him. I like him. He’s a nice guy, but I wanted to kill him. I don’t know why.”

The greatest fighter of his time and one of the greatest of all time is Ray Robinson, the middleweight champion of the world. It is probable that in him, more than in any other fighter of today, are combined more of the qualities that go into the making of a great fighter.
Among the fighters of the present there is, for example, no more avid student of the sport. Robinson has been thus since the days when he started to box. As a four-round preliminary boy he made it a practice to sit at ringside in his ring clothes, before and after his own fights in order to study the others on the card.

One day we were talking in the Uptown Gym in Harlem. He was explaining how he had learned to fight by watching others and fighting others, and I asked him from whom, among those he had fought, he had learned the most.

“Fritzie Zivic taught me a lot,” he said, speaking of the former welterweight champion. “He was about the smartest I ever fought. Why, he showed me how you can make a man butt open his own eye.”

“How?” I said.

“He’d slip my lead, like this,” Robin¬son said, demonstrating. “Then he’d put his hand behind my neck and he’d bring my eye down on his head. Fritzie was smart.”

We were sitting one day in Robinson’s office on Seventh Avenue, just south of 124th Street. He had fought Kid Gavilan twice. The first time they had fought Gavi¬lan had given him trouble. The second time, for the welterweight title in Phila¬delphia on July 11, 1949, he had handled the Cuban with ease, and I wanted him to tell me at least one of the things he had learned about Gavilan in their first fight.

“Well, I noticed one thing.” Robinson said. “I noticed that when he throws his hook he’s not in position, so he shifts his right shoulder forward maybe an inch or two. When he does that you know the right hand is dead, and you how the hook is coming.”
I was not amazed by this, because I had ex¬pected some such revelation. I was merely im¬pressed that of the many who have fought Gavilan and of the many more who have watched him closely, this is the only one to find this weakness.

I was not amazed, moreover, when Robin¬son told me that he knows fear. I have never known a really good creative artist, whether he be a writer, painter, or boxer, who has not confessed that he often doubts himself, experiences nervous¬ness when the big project is at hand.

“Accidents happen in a ring,” Robinson said. “You can never tell when you’re liable to be hit with a good punch.”

He remembered the night he fought Artie Levine in Cleveland in November of 1946. Levine had a dozen pounds on him and so Robinson was fighting it the way you should fight it, moving and throwing no more than combinations and piling up the points.

“In the ninth round,” he said, “he started a right hand and I reached over to catch it. When I opened my glove it wasn’t there and I heard the referee say: ‘Four.’ I thought to myself, Man, he’s startin’ awful high.”

Robinson got up at nine, and in the next round he knocked Levine out. He has never forgotten this, however, but the fear that Robinson knows is the limited fear that inspires a degree of caution and out of this gives birth to inspired performance.


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You're right, Randy, this is a great article.
Man, I hung on every word. An outstanding article. Alot of fighters today should read that quip by Maxim. I laughed at the awe of the writer over the fact that Maxim was humbled by Sheppard 'allowing' him a return. How protective fighters today are over perfect records and how back in the day all they could say was, "I'll get him in a rematch." How times have changed.

Scartissue
Same here, Scar. I hung on every word. You can see the quality that fighters of today lack, just by reading the words of those who were truly great. Boxing is very weak in today's world. Few of today's best would competitive in any previous era. The world has changed, people have changed.


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kikibalt wrote:
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Frank do you know if Dolph Thomas' Gym and Royal Gym were one and the same? Both were gone before I came along, I only knew Newman's and Hermans on Leavinworth St. which is gone now too. I'll try to drive by 541 Turk St. in the next few days to see what is there now.
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Bruce....Sorry I don't know if they were or not.
The envelope above is addressed to what was then the Main Street Gym in Los Angeles.
That gym burned down in 1951, and was reopened above the old Adolphus Theatre across the street, at 318 1/2 S. Main St.
I truly wish I could just step back in time for a day, and walk around downtown L.A. and visit all of the gyms that once existed.

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The local school in La Villa

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Canyon Jhonson. It has none of the above. And a lot more.
Rog...Thanks for the great photos and great story...

Btw,how did Canyon Jhonson got its name,?

Good question. No one knows. Asi es Mexico :bow:
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Frank, this is the first time I've seen this fight. What a treat. This has to be Mando's absolute prime. Very fast and a damn good banger to the body. What a shame he let it slip away so soon.

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Frank, this is the first time I've seen this fight. What a treat. This has to be Mando's absolute prime. Very fast and a damn good banger to the body. What a shame he let it slip away so soon.

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Yes, Dan, I agree, that was Mando at his best..... :TU:
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scartissue wrote:
Frank, this is the first time I've seen this fight. What a treat. This has to be Mando's absolute prime. Very fast and a damn good banger to the body. What a shame he let it slip away so soon.

Scartissue
If only . . .

Vintage Mando Ramos. I remember this fight very well. It took place on a Saturday night at the L.A. Sports Arena (10/4-69). I was 17, and had fought two days earlier on the amateur portion of the Olympic's thursday night card. That night, Shincihi Kodota of Japan stopped Juan Collado, however, everybody was talking about the Olympic's big card two nights later at the Sports Arena. Nobody could pack them in any better than Mando Ramos, and that's just what he did when he fought Numata. I remember watching Numata and Kodota training together at the Main St. Gym about a week before this fight. I'd see Numata dropping his hands to his waist and Kodota was catching him. I expected Mando would do the same thing. As Scar mentioned, Mando's body attack was too much for Numata.

When I think back, I can remember many Japanese fighters coming to L.A. and quite a few succumbing to L.A. fighter's body blows. A couple years previous, Dwight Hawkins left Osamu Miyashta in a heap, agonizing after catching one of the Hawk's brutal ganchos to the liver.

It's sad that Mando didn't give himself a chance to evolve into another Enrique Bolanos. I think the only lightweight on the horizon that would have lifted the title from a fit & focused Mando Ramos would have been Roberto Duran. El Gato and Ramos were stablemates which would have interfered with Rodolfo's chances. Buchanan would have made a fine challenger, but he would have been in trouble if matched with a focused Mando Ramos. Same with Ismael Laguna, who would take his title later. With all respect to Laguna and Buchanan, a ready Ramos whips both in my opinion.


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Rick Farris wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Frank, this is the first time I've seen this fight. What a treat. This has to be Mando's absolute prime. Very fast and a damn good banger to the body. What a shame he let it slip away so soon.

Scartissue
If only . . .

Vintage Mando Ramos. I remember this fight very well. It took place on a Saturday night at the L.A. Sports Arena (10/4-69). I was 17, and had fought two days earlier on the amateur portion of the Olympic's thursday night card. That night, Shincihi Kodota of Japan stopped Juan Collado, however, everybody was talking about the Olympic's big card two nights later at the Sports Arena. Nobody could pack them in any better than Mando Ramos, and that's just what he did when he fought Numata. I remember watching Numata and Kodota training together at the Main St. Gym about a week before this fight. I'd see Numata dropping his hands to his waist and Kodota was catching him. I expected Mando would do the same thing. As Scar mentioned, Mando's body attack was too much for Numata.

When I think back, I can remember many Japanese fighters coming to L.A. and quite a few succumbing to L.A. fighter's body blows. A couple years previous, Dwight Hawkins left Osamu Miyashta in a heap, agonizing after catching one of the Hawk's brutal ganchos to the liver.

It's sad that Mando didn't give himself a chance to evolve into another Enrique Bolanos. I think the only lightweight on the horizon that would have lifted the title from a fit & focused Mando Ramos would have been Roberto Duran. El Gato and Ramos were stablemates which would have interfered with Rodolfo's chances. Buchanan would have made a fine challenger, but he would have been in trouble if matched with a focused Mando Ramos. Same with Ismael Laguna, who would take his title later. With all respect to Laguna and Buchanan, a ready Ramos whips both in my opinion.


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Rick, Frank, Rodolfo, or anyone else who may have been there, did anybody here happen to see the 2nd Ramos-Pedro Carrasco fight in L.A.? This was obviously Mando on his way out (in fact, after this fight one of the magazines was already predicting a Chango Carmona win when they fight, and he still had one more go with Carrasco pending). I heard the decision in this fight was controversial and I was curious if anyone saw it?

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scartissue wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Frank, this is the first time I've seen this fight. What a treat. This has to be Mando's absolute prime. Very fast and a damn good banger to the body. What a shame he let it slip away so soon.

Scartissue
If only . . .

Vintage Mando Ramos. I remember this fight very well. It took place on a Saturday night at the L.A. Sports Arena (10/4-69). I was 17, and had fought two days earlier on the amateur portion of the Olympic's thursday night card. That night, Shincihi Kodota of Japan stopped Juan Collado, however, everybody was talking about the Olympic's big card two nights later at the Sports Arena. Nobody could pack them in any better than Mando Ramos, and that's just what he did when he fought Numata. I remember watching Numata and Kodota training together at the Main St. Gym about a week before this fight. I'd see Numata dropping his hands to his waist and Kodota was catching him. I expected Mando would do the same thing. As Scar mentioned, Mando's body attack was too much for Numata.

When I think back, I can remember many Japanese fighters coming to L.A. and quite a few succumbing to L.A. fighter's body blows. A couple years previous, Dwight Hawkins left Osamu Miyashta in a heap, agonizing after catching one of the Hawk's brutal ganchos to the liver.

It's sad that Mando didn't give himself a chance to evolve into another Enrique Bolanos. I think the only lightweight on the horizon that would have lifted the title from a fit & focused Mando Ramos would have been Roberto Duran. El Gato and Ramos were stablemates which would have interfered with Rodolfo's chances. Buchanan would have made a fine challenger, but he would have been in trouble if matched with a focused Mando Ramos. Same with Ismael Laguna, who would take his title later. With all respect to Laguna and Buchanan, a ready Ramos whips both in my opinion.


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Rick, Frank, Rodolfo, or anyone else who may have been there, did anybody here happen to see the 2nd Ramos-Pedro Carrasco fight in L.A.? This was obviously Mando on his way out (in fact, after this fight one of the magazines was already predicting a Chango Carmona win when they fight, and he still had one more go with Carrasco pending). I heard the decision in this fight was controversial and I was curious if anyone saw it?

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Dan, I missed that fight, I was out of town with some amateur fighters.
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Rick, Frank, Rodolfo, or anyone else who may have been there, did anybody here happen to see the 2nd Ramos-Pedro Carrasco fight in L.A.? This was obviously Mando on his way out (in fact, after this fight one of the magazines was already predicting a Chango Carmona win when they fight, and he still had one more go with Carrasco pending). I heard the decision in this fight was controversial and I was curious if anyone saw it?

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Dan . . . I never saw the fight. Carrasco never generated much excitement in me. I saw him as a boring European type, and knew the only way he could beat Ramos was if Mando didn't train. If Mando did train, I believed he would win a boring match with a boring opponent. I saw it as a loser for Ramos fans, Carrasco would make for a bad fight. So I never thought of going. After fights with Crawford, Sugar Ramos, Rojas, Teo Cruz, Numata, Navarro and Laguna . . . I wasn't interested in one with Pedro Carrasco. I think I went to watch my brother-in-law pole vault at an indoor track meet that night at the Forum


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"Miss Congeniality" . . . Austin, Texas -Summer '2000


I hadn't worked in the film business for over a year. I had taken a leave of absence from the film industry.
I was living near Phoenix, virtually carefree for a couple years.
I worked with pro and amateur boxers, at the Madison Gym in Phoenix. I started to write about boxing.

A part of me missed the film world, another part of me hated it. Like everything else in life, it's what you make of it.
I was just tired, a bit burnt out. I liked working out again.
I was in the gym working out an hour before anybody else showed up.
I put myself back in shape and got my timing back as a trainer.

I didn't miss life on the film set. I put it out of my mind.
Then I get this phone call from L.A.
"Hey Rick, I've got this film going to Austin for a few months. What's your availability?"

"I'm available, when does it start?"
What could I do? The Director of Photography was an Oscar winner I'd worked with "On Golden Pond", about 18 years previous.

Miss Congeniality would shoot in Austin, Texas between June-August '2000.
I flew back to L.A. to get a few location requirements taken care of and then back to my home in Tempe, Az.
I cashed in my plane ticket from Phoenix to Texas, and drove to the town homes that were rented for us in the State's capitol.

Austin is also a College town and a fun place to film in.
Especially nice was that the film's star and producer, actress Sandra Bullock, was a resident of Austin.
Bullock's production company would shoot several feature films in the Austin area.
Sandra Bullock was not only very popular in Austin, but everyplace she goes.
People who work with her truly love her. A very special, wonderful person. She has such a fun, positive energy.
I liked the way she took care of her close friends and family, putting them in production jobs.

The cinematographer was Academy Award winner, Lazslo Kovacs. My friend Tom was the lighting director.
We had a beauty pagent scene that required special stage lighting so I was busy working with a second unit.
It was the perfect production. We worked decent hours, had lots of fun on 6th Street.
Blues clubs, Jazz, etc. Lots of ladies. Lots of production perks.

We weren't pushed, given time to make it look right. I got to know actor Benjamin Bratt.
Just last year I worked with Ben again, on "The Cleaner". Another great person to work with, a pro.

At the end of the summer we finished, on schedule, surprisingly below budget.
I drove back to Tempe, but wished I was on that plane heading back to L.A.

I returned a couple years later. This is what I do, and L.A. is where we do it.
I know the rhythm of Los Angeles, and there's more than one. This works for me.
Next time I leave, it won't be for so long.


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GHOST SHIP

"They look like World War II vets,"I said to John as he drove his car into the parking lot.
"Could be Korean War too,"he added.
The parking lot for the Maritime Museum in San Pedro was practically empty. Just a few cars .The museum opened at 10. It was 10 thirty. The old men were wearing caps with a insignia. They numbered around 10 to 15. About half of them looked like they were with their wives. A van was parked next to the group. Some people were unloading wheel chairs for the men who couldn't walk .

"John,where are you driving?"I asked.
"I want to find a space close by because of your hip."
"I'm fine. Park by those veterans. That's close enough for me."
At the intersection in front of the Maritime Museum there was yellow police tape closing off the area. Two policeman were leaning against their squad cars talking to each other. There was no traffic appraoching the intersection.

We walked inside and saw an old gal behind the counter. She was wearing a cap like the old men out front. I was close enough to see what was on the cap. "Merchant Marine Veterans Of Foreign Wars." The old gal smiled at us. She was short and very pretty.
"Hello boys. You're the first ones here today."
"What's going on outside?"I asked her.
"Today is the unveiling of the Merchant Marine Memorial Wall."
I looked across the street.I saw a long gray wall with about 100 folding chairs in front of it. In the back was a pole flying the U.S. flag.
"Boys the ceremony is going to start at 11 o'clock."
"Good, we'll walk around the museum first and then come back."

My friend John was in the Navy before becoming a school teacher. We both taught history and were intersted in seeing the museum. It was the first time for both of us.
"Rog,look. It's the USS Canberra."
John was very sharp with recognizing the different Navy ships.

I saw a mural of big fish on a wall.
"Didn't there used to be canneries here?"I asked the old gal.
"Absolutely. Six to be exact."
She was very pleased to answer our questions and give us backround on the area.
"I remember when I was a girl during the War,"she said. "All the soldiers would board the train for Ft. MacArthur. I just lived up the road."
"It must have been an exciting time,"said John.
"Oh yes. With the Army and the Navy. The Marines were here too to protect the Navy."
John scoffed a little.
"Rog,I'm going to walk inside."
"I'll be with you."

The old gal looked out the door at the ceremony being set up.
"It's all gone now. The servicemen. The canneries,"she lamented.
I followed John inside the hallways of the museum. The different model ships and paintings and photographs of the vessels with their histories were very interesting.We walked around reading and looking for an hour or so.

When we returned to the front desk,the old gal smiled and gave us a souvenir pin.
"We forgot to pay you,"I said.
"Oh there's no fee. If you wish to make a donation you can put it in the kitty."

I looked outside. The ceremony had started. Aside from the Merchant Marine Veterans,there were only a handfull of people sitting in the chairs.
"Did you boys know that over 6000 seamen lost their lives in Worl War II?"
"No,"I said."I didn't know that."
"All their names are on that wall."
The old gal was staring across the street. The two cops were still leaning against their squad cars talking to each other.
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I'm off to the Black Country Musuem today, an industrial heritage site (26 acres) in the heart of England where you can eat old-fashioned fish and chips, drink old-fashioned ale, go underground into a coalmine, etc, and just see how people lived in the 19th century. The Black Country used to be black by day, hence its name. Queen Victoria famously pulled down the blind in her train carriage when she passed through it.
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bennie wrote:I'm off to the Black Country Musuem today, an industrial heritage site (26 acres) in the heart of England where you can eat old-fashioned fish and chips, drink old-fashioned ale, go underground into a coalmine, etc, and just see how people lived in the 19th century. The Black Country used to be black by day, hence its name. Queen Victoria famously pulled down the blind in her train carriage when she passed through it.

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Sounds like you're going to have a great day. I can't wait to go back to England. When I do, give me the directions to the Black Country Museum. Sounds very interesting. Tally Ho :TU: Rog
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SCRAPPED

"OK,you kids stay together now. Me and Mr. White are responsible for you. No horsing around."
Me and John White took our students to the USS Midway docked in the harbor in San Diego. We took along 50 middle schoolers on the bus. John had served in the Navy for nine years and acted as our guide.
"Can't we go on top and walk around?",asked one of the kids.
"Stay with the group ,"answered John. "If we have to look after you,we'll go home."

John White took us into the bowels of the old aircraft carrier. She was commissioned in 1943 and decommissioned in 1981. Her resting place was at the embarcadero in San Diego Harbor. She was a floating museum.

We climbed up and down inside and John would stop and explain where we were and what the function of wach department was and its relevance to life aboard ship. None of the kids asked any questions.

The last area we visited was the flight deck. Some of the kids ran ahead of us and we had to shout at them to get them to walk behind us. Most of the girls stayed together and were far back in the line.

On the flight deck were different aircraft that had operated on the USS Midway. Propeller planes,jets,and helicopters. A Navy guy in uniform was giving a lecture on how the planes would take off and land on the deck. We huddled around him,but after a few minutes we could see the kids starting to seperate.

"Mr. White?"one of the kids asked. "What kind of machine guns are on the airplanes?"
"Mostly 50 caliber and 20 millimiter cannons."
The kid who asked the question smiled at John's response.

I noticed an old timer wearing a Navy uniform. He wore a cap that read USS Midway across the front. There were gold and silver pins attached to it.
"How's it going young fella?"I joked.
I think I startled him a little. He turned suddenly.
"Oh,pretty good. How's yourself?"
"You got the duty today," I laughed.
"Oh yeah,I used to serve on the Midway back in the War and Korea."
"You must like it then."
The old sailor made a face.
"Not really. They should just leave the Midway alone."
"What do you mean?"
"Fewer and fewer really know the meaning of this ship."
He looked at our kids who were beginning to run around on the deck. He didn't know that I was involved with them.
"That's what I mean. Kids running around unsupervised. Selling ice cream and candy. Souveniers. It ain't right."
"Isn't the Enterprise still around?"
"Naw,they scrapped that old warrior years ago."

I could see John White motioning me over. It was time to round up the kids and go back on the bus. While we were sitting on the bus,I said to John that I thought his lectures were very illuminating.
"Too bad the kids weren't more interested,"he said.
"Well we can go again next year. Maybe those kids will be more interested."
"Yeah,Rog. We'll try again. At least they didn't scrap the old vessel."
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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dagosd2000 wrote:SCRAPPED

"OK,you kids stay together now. Me and Mr. White are responsible for you. No horsing around."
Me and John White took our students to the USS Midway docked in the harbor in San Diego. We took along 50 middle schoolers on the bus. John had served in the Navy for nine years and acted as our guide.
"Can't we go on top and walk around?",asked one of the kids.
"Stay with the group ,"answered John. "If we have to look after you,we'll go home."

John White took us into the bowels of the old aircraft carrier. She was commissioned in 1943 and decommissioned in 1981. Her resting place was at the embarcadero in San Diego Harbor. She was a floating museum.

We climbed up and down inside and John would stop and explain where we were and what the function of wach department was and its relevance to life aboard ship. None of the kids asked any questions.

The last area we visited was the flight deck. Some of the kids ran ahead of us and we had to shout at them to get them to walk behind us. Most of the girls stayed together and were far back in the line.

On the flight deck were different aircraft that had operated on the USS Midway. Propeller planes,jets,and helicopters. A Navy guy in uniform was giving a lecture on how the planes would take off and land on the deck. We huddled around him,but after a few minutes we could see the kids starting to seperate.

"Mr. White?"one of the kids asked. "What kind of machine guns are on the airplanes?"
"Mostly 50 caliber and 20 millimiter cannons."
The kid who asked the question smiled at John's response.

I noticed an old timer wearing a Navy uniform. He wore a cap that read USS Midway across the front. There were gold and silver pins attached to it.
"How's it going young fella?"I joked.
I think I startled him a little. He turned suddenly.
"Oh,pretty good. How's yourself?"
"You got the duty today," I laughed.
"Oh yeah,I used to serve on the Midway back in the War and Korea."
"You must like it then."
The old sailor made a face.
"Not really. They should just leave the Midway alone."
"What do you mean?"
"Fewer and fewer really know the meaning of this ship."
He looked at our kids who were beginning to run around on the deck. He didn't know that I was involved with them.
"That's what I mean. Kids running around unsupervised. Selling ice cream and candy. Souveniers. It ain't right."
"Isn't the Enterprise still around?"
"Naw,they scrapped that old warrior years ago."

I could see John White motioning me over. It was time to round up the kids and go back on the bus. While we were sitting on the bus,I said to John that I thought his lectures were very illuminating.
"Too bad the kids weren't more interested,"he said.
"Well we can go again next year. Maybe those kids will be more interested."
"Yeah,Rog. We'll try again. At least they didn't scrap the old vessel."
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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scartissue wrote:
Frank, this is the first time I've seen this fight. What a treat. This has to be Mando's absolute prime. Very fast and a damn good banger to the body. What a shame he let it slip away so soon.

Scartissue

This is the first time I've seen this fight too, I particularly love Mando's footwork, even when he gets nailed it's his footwork that gets him out of trouble and then his footwork gets him back into position so beautifully. We talked earlier about being taught to keep your back foot more planted while your front foot is up more on the "ball" and Mando demonstrates this to a tee in this fight. Trainers should be showing this fight to their young boxers over and over and over! When he begins to land those bombs to the body you can see him come down off his toes even more giving him the power to finish, wow thats all I can say wow!

Lastly is it just me or does anyone else miss the ring mats without all of the advertising on them.
Bruce
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Frank, this is the first time I've seen this fight. What a treat. This has to be Mando's absolute prime. Very fast and a damn good banger to the body. What a shame he let it slip away so soon.

Scartissue

This is the first time I've seen this fight too, I particularly love Mando's footwork, even when he gets nailed it's his footwork that gets him out of trouble and then his footwork gets him back into position so beautifully. We talked earlier about being taught to keep your back foot more planted while your front foot is up more on the "ball" and Mando demonstrates this to a tee in this fight. Trainers should be showing this fight to their young boxers over and over and over! When he begins to land those bombs to the body you can see him come down off his toes even more giving him the power to finish, wow thats all I can say wow!

Lastly is it just me or does anyone else miss the ring mats without all of the advertising on them.
Bruce
Yes, I do miss the canvas's without all the ads. and also the resin box..... :witzend:
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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