Good fighters with poor amateur records

Alister · Post by **Alister** » 25 Nov 2003, 07:15

Nowadays it seems like having a good amaetur record or long amateur backround has almost become a criteria for having a future as a professional.
Yet, some good pros had neither. Here are some examples:

Tex Cobb, 0-2
Rocky Marciano, 8-4
Don King, 2-2 (never turned pro, but made tons of money of boxing)
Hasim Rahman, 7-2
Michael Grant, 11-1
Jameel McCline, 1-1
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Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 25 Nov 2003, 10:32

How are 7-2 and 11-1 a poor amateur records? In terms of volume of fights then yes, but win ratio wise, they're good records.

Alister · Post by **Alister** » 25 Nov 2003, 11:13

Southpaw Stylist wrote:How are 7-2 and 11-1 a poor amateur records? In terms of volume of fights then yes, but win ratio wise, they're good records.

Yes, they're not bad records, but they aren't what you'd call a long amateur backround, which was one of the criterias I called for.

Alister

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 25 Nov 2003, 11:23

Fair do pal.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 25 Nov 2003, 14:18

terrible tim witherspoon had a terribly scant and unimpressive amateur record. believe he lost to marvis farzier in his only fight v a 'name of note'.

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 02 Jan 2004, 12:49

Harry Jeffra -a slow starter- was a pro champ, but as an amateur he had about 26 or 27 fights and only won one.....

zurdo · Post by **zurdo** » 07 Jan 2004, 03:19

I don't believe that Bernard Hopkins had much of an amatuer career..

zurdo · Post by **zurdo** » 11 Jan 2004, 03:26

The same thing goes for Dwight Muhammad Qawi I think he only had a handful of amatuer fights ..But he's about to go into the hall of fame

pugilisticprofessor · Post by **pugilisticprofessor** » 12 Jan 2004, 11:10

Zurdo said:
I don't believe that Bernard Hopkins had much of an amatuer career..

Hopkins actually had a very good am career 95-4

zurdo · Post by **zurdo** » 16 Jan 2004, 03:04

pugilisticprofessor wrote:Zurdo said:
I don't believe that Bernard Hopkins had much of an amatuer career..

Hopkins actually had a very good am career 95-4

Hmmn Maybe I got Bernard mixed up with someone else then...Because 95-4 is a very good record...

I stand corrected..

mapp35 · Post by **mapp35** » 20 Jan 2004, 10:53

Maybe im mistaken but I thought Hopkins was incarcerated when he was 18 until he was like 24 or 25. So I cant see how he could have 99 am fights. I could be wrong.

walchuk · Post by **walchuk** » 12 Mar 2004, 01:36

If I am not mistaken, Terrible Terry Norris had an average amateur career at best according to what I have heard.

The Scranton Assassin · Post by **The Scranton Assassin** » 03 Aug 2004, 13:59

Don King realy fought in the amatures or was that some kind of joke?

Julio Garcia has no amature backround.

Kelvin Davis has had only 7 amature fights.

Lance Witaker also has no amature backround.(I think)

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 04 Aug 2004, 01:33

joltin jeff chandler of philly dident start boxing till he was 23? or so, had 2 or 3 amateur fights, went pro, became champion and later hall of fame,
i believe angel manfreddy only had a few amateur fights....

sboxingbuddy · Post by **sboxingbuddy** » 04 Aug 2004, 07:31

Johnny Nelson's was somthing like 2-7.

derrickforeal · Post by **derrickforeal** » 04 Aug 2004, 21:21

pugilisticprofessor wrote:Zurdo said:
I don't believe that Bernard Hopkins had much of an amatuer career..

Hopkins actually had a very good am career 95-4

Hopkins had fights in prison, which is where that record comes from.

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 04 Aug 2004, 22:16

derrickforeal wrote:
pugilisticprofessor wrote:Zurdo said:
I don't believe that Bernard Hopkins had much of an amatuer career..

Hopkins actually had a very good am career 95-4
Hopkins had fights in prison, which is where that record comes from.

he seems to walk pretty upright,
so he must not have lost too many of them.....

BigTex · Post by **BigTex** » 07 Aug 2004, 02:02

I think big time Mcline had a 10-4 record in the ams.

6 Pack · Post by **6 Pack** » 07 Aug 2004, 11:46

Qawi actually had NO amatuer fights! ANd he won a title in like his 16th fight (or something like that, too lazy to refresh my memory and look it up).

Talk about a quick learner. BUt he did do a lot of boxing in prison. Just sparring though, no real bouts.

6 Pack · Post by **6 Pack** » 07 Aug 2004, 11:47

enrique wrote:Harry Jeffra -a slow starter- was a pro champ, but as an amateur he had about 26 or 27 fights and only won one.....

Is this for real?

E · Post by E » 10 Aug 2004, 06:28

Dominic Guinn lost somethimg like 20 fights in a row as an amateur.

reaggai · Post by **reaggai** » 10 Aug 2004, 18:39

Lance Whitaker actually had a good amateur carrer he won a national championship(the olympic festival) and went to the pan-am games in 95(bronze medal) and had many fights international against Cuban and Russian.
I don't knew how many fight he had cause he started late but he had good opposition.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 15 Aug 2004, 18:00

Probably way off the subject, but what have most of the top Mexican pros of the past and present done in the amateur game previously?
Chavez `s son I recently read had 2 amateur fights before turning pro, I know next to nothing of the amateur game so would like to know if this is a normal thing for the Mexicans?