tyson vs ali

[cnnrboy5]

i know you probably hear this all the time, but when they were in there prime who would you see winning?

[zojo]

the promoter of the fight

[hitman09]

Ali winning every single round on the way to a decision win.

[alexpaterson]

Ali winning a landslide outboxing Tyson for 15 rounds to fast and to good a boxer for Tyson

[Robinson]

It'd be that easy huh?

[hitman09]

Yeah, it would. Tyson was always overrated.

[SteveO]

Ali - big points win!

[banjo]

Ali

[John Galt]

It'd be that easy huh?

Yes Kym, now you know what would happen if the prime Ali and the prime Tyson could fight. The "experts" who have responded to this question say Ali by landside decision or winning every single round! I remember Ali getting hit a lot by Chuvalo, and having problems with Mildenberger, but I guess Tyson wasn't as good as those guys?

Watching an Ali highlight reel and/or reading an Ali bio is how these "experts" become so knowledgeable about boxing. I always thought that the prime Tyson looked as formidible as anyone I have seen on video. I probably just don't understand what I am seeing. If the "experts" say he would lose every round to Ali, who am I to argue? I think I'll go watch "When we were Kings" and try to become more enlightened about Ali. So far when I watch Ali on video, I see flaws like other boxers, and he seems human. I must be missing something!

[Tuff Customer]

exactly.....Ali would be kissin the canvas at least twice in every round. At least until the referee stops it in the 3rd round because of the obvious mismatch. Tyson wasclearly unstoppable in his prime. He would beat any two HW's in the same night...ANY two.

[hitman09]

exactly.....Ali would be kissin the canvas at least twice in every round. At least until the referee stops it in the 3rd round because of the obvious mismatch. Tyson wasclearly unstoppable in his prime. He would beat any two HW's in the same night...ANY two.

[Robinson]

What Ali fights have you watched that convinces you of this?

[Collins2000]

exactly.....Ali would be kissin the canvas at least twice in every round. At least until the referee stops it in the 3rd round because of the obvious mismatch. Tyson wasclearly unstoppable in his prime. He would beat any two HW's in the same night...ANY two.

Absolutely! Plus Ali was just a media creation anyway. Richard Dunn was robbed against Ali.

[Robinson]

I can see either guy winning this with good arguments from
both sides of the coin.

I have not seen to many arguments however.

I am curious to know how this will be a shut out win for Ali?

[Collins2000]

I can see either guy winning this with good arguments from
both sides of the coin.

I have not seen to many arguments however.

I am curious to know how this will be a shut out win for Ali?

You are going to get eejits on both sides of the arguement.

Some people can only see what they want to see e.g. DaveV's scoring of Ali - Norton (2) where he could only give one round to Ali.

I think Tyson would have some early success but if peak Frazier and peak Foreman couldn't stop Ali, then Iron Mike won't do it either. By the mid way point Mike starts to lose heart and focus and unravels. Ali by TKO in about 10 rounds.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It'd be that easy huh?

Yes Kym, now you know what would happen if the prime Ali and the prime Tyson could fight. The "experts" who have responded to this question say Ali by landside decision or winning every single round! I remember Ali getting hit a lot by Chuvalo, and having problems with Mildenberger, but I guess Tyson wasn't as good as those guys?

Watching an Ali highlight reel and/or reading an Ali bio is how these "experts" become so knowledgeable about boxing. I always thought that the prime Tyson looked as formidible as anyone I have seen on video. I probably just don't understand what I am seeing. If the "experts" say he would lose every round to Ali, who am I to argue? I think I'll go watch "When we were Kings" and try to become more enlightened about Ali. So far when I watch Ali on video, I see flaws like other boxers, and he seems human. I must be missing something!

Sir Galt strikes again

[Goodnight, Irene]

I can see either guy winning this with good arguments from
both sides of the coin.

I have not seen to many arguments however.

I am curious to know how this will be a shut out win for Ali?

You are going to get eejits on both sides of the arguement.

Some people can only see what they want to see e.g. DaveV's scoring of Ali - Norton (2) where he could only give one round to Ali.

I think Tyson would have some early success but if peak Frazier and peak Foreman couldn't stop Ali, then Iron Mike won't do it either. By the mid way point Mike starts to lose heart and focus and unravels. Ali by TKO in about 10 rounds.

To be fair, Collins, Davey was also generous enough to score another of those rounds even, too. Give the man his due, will ya!?

[John Galt]

It'd be that easy huh?

Yes Kym, now you know what would happen if the prime Ali and the prime Tyson could fight. The "experts" who have responded to this question say Ali by landside decision or winning every single round! I remember Ali getting hit a lot by Chuvalo, and having problems with Mildenberger, but I guess Tyson wasn't as good as those guys?

Watching an Ali highlight reel and/or reading an Ali bio is how these "experts" become so knowledgeable about boxing. I always thought that the prime Tyson looked as formidible as anyone I have seen on video. I probably just don't understand what I am seeing. If the "experts" say he would lose every round to Ali, who am I to argue? I think I'll go watch "When we were Kings" and try to become more enlightened about Ali. So far when I watch Ali on video, I see flaws like other boxers, and he seems human. I must be missing something!

Sir Galt strikes again

Haha - Irene, Which part is objectionable to you, that Ali has flaws or that he was human?

[BoxBuzz]

Ali is simply the smarter bet. Conditioning, ring generalship, chin, and Mental strength may be contributing factors as to why the smart money goes that way.

But as always on any given day when two HW's enter the ring....anything COULD happen. So Galt COULD collect on his bet. But he would likely never admit to having placed it.

[Robinson]

I dont think it is so much a case of Ali in his prime being a
smart fighter. He was just that little bit bigger than some of
his foes and possesed tremendous reflexes. He could slip
and move well. This translated in a frustratingly effective
defence.
Another thing Ali had was exceptional powers of recovery,
he could be floored and was clearing as soon as he got to
his feet. Whether this was due to his good condition or other
factors...the point is, he was very hard to keep down.

Tyson is a different type of hitter than a Frazier and Foreman,
but I agree I do not see Mike stopping Ali.

I see both guys landing and exchanging well. The key will be
the ref. Will he allow Ali to tie up, lean down on Tyson and
play that clinch game ? And should he get away with it, how
will Tyson handle it ? Will he remain composed like Frazier in
the second fight or will he burn himself out in a desperate and
malicious attempt to get some back ?

Ali would no doubt time Tyson with the uppercut and mid level
left hook. Tysons has a good chin and would be worn down by
these shots but not 'hurt'.
Ali's jab while fast and sharp has its pros and cons it could be
countered against, while at the same time it could nullify all that
a man had. I think Tyson gets some good shots in and is able
to rush and move well.

Ali's ability to tie up and hold is a big factor in this fight in my
opinion. I do not see Ali going to the ropes well. I also do not
see him staying on his toes for the entire rounds of the fights.
While he does, he is doing well. But Tyson would still be able to
land and slow Ali up enough to bring him of his toes.

It'd be a good fight, with both guys taking clean and clear shots
but also missing a good many also.

Itd be different to Ali's fights with Frazier, Patterson, Chuvalo or
Jones and likewise it'd be different than Tyson's bouts with Holmes,
Smith, Tillis, Tucker, etc. While their would be moments of similarty
each version (provided they are prime) of Tyson and Ali would have
the stamina, condition and abilities to keep the ball rolling.

I see it being a tight decision either way. Hard to bet on. The ref
like I said above is a key factor, but do not over look either man's
ability at 'bending' the rules. Expect some elbows-forearms from Tyson
and lots of pulling down behind the head, holding and hitting from Ali.

Great fight in any case.

[ghoster]

I think Tyson would/could not stop Ali so the question is could he out point him, on their best I think not. But I do agree it would be entertaining and very competitive for the first 10 rounds.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

I can see either guy winning this with good arguments from
both sides of the coin.

- Thing is you can flip the same coin for an infinite number of lifetimes which is how many times this thread pops up, in collie years of course.

They met when Mike was 21 and on top of the boxing world and Ali stiill had his speech and wits somewhat. Ali indicated Mike woud've knocked Ali out, and Mike protested that he could never beat Ali.

That about sums up the essentials, but it won't stop the spam question from ressurrecting endlessly.

[hitman09]

I can see either guy winning this with good arguments from
both sides of the coin.

- Thing is you can flip the same coin for an infinite number of lifetimes which is how many times this thread pops up, in collie years of course.

They met when Mike was 21 and on top of the boxing world and Ali stiill had his speech and wits somewhat. Ali indicated Mike woud've knocked Ali out, and Mike protested that he could never beat Ali.

That about sums up the essentials, but it won't stop the spam question from ressurrecting endlessly.

Was that on a talkshow with Sugar Ray Leonard? I think I saw that one.