kerry foley US debut

[N2 Shape]

SMith is a tough customer having fought alot of undeafeted opponents, but if Kerry was any good hed have beaten SMith like the other undeafeted guys before him did!! Its certainly not all over for him, but i agree with another poster should come back to OZ and fight the best down here now and then see if hes made for it

[kimf]

kerry arrived back in australia today
kerry weighed in at smw and smith lhw
after the mistake with the weights kerry wanted to pull out but was obliged to fight as he had signed the contract
kerry knew it would be hard enough to get a decision fighting a guy overseas in his hometown
kerry said smith was a big guy physically and a good boxer but was slow and had no power
kerry laughed when the decision was read out

[dan h]

By the sounds of that he wont learn anything from this lose

[N2 Shape]

Mistake with the weights? Did Kerry sign a contract to fight at LHW or SMW? If the contract stated SMW then Kerry didnt have to fight if Smith weighed in at LHW if he went ahead and fought anyway thats his own stupid fault! As for fighting in Smiths hometown once again why risk that against a 6-10 opponent especially Smith who is a proven tough customer but beatable if your a semi decent fighter. Foley needs to learn a big liesson from this, laughing as the result was read out is a sign that he hasnt learned anything, and will probably feast on Thai cabbies and Fijian fisherman for another 2 years

[apeman]

I was at the fight. Foley won the first round imo and lost the second. Third and fourth were close and could have gone either way, but if I was judging I probably would have given them to Smith, who did a little more work and always threw the last punch of what few exchanges there were (neither guy was very active the whole fight, especially rounds 3 and 4). It also looked like there were two missed knockdown calls, one by Foley in the 1st round and one by Smith later (Foley actually never went down but touched the canvas with his glove). Both may have been aided by the receipient being off balance, but both followed clean punches (although neither guy seemed hurt either time).

Foley seemed a little intimidated, which is surprising given that he was apparently getting good hard sparring with world LHW contenders like Yusef Mack according to an article on the Ring's website. They announced a 4.25 lb weight difference if I remeber correctly (170.75 to 175). The fight was there for Foley if he would have been more active. I thought Foley's boxing looked pretty good when he committed to moving his hands, but Smith landed a few big punches which maybe helped discourage Foley from letting his hands go. Foley seemed to have the physical tools. I'm sure its tough for a young guy to swallow a huge disappointment like the loss must be, but I hope he learns from it and carries on (no pun intended). Maybe a fight or two in Oz, but he should probably get back in the saddle and go back to the states to develop further if his heart is in it. As someone mentioned, a 4 round decision loss is no big deal. It will be forgotten if he has a good performance next time he fights in the states to prove that this fight was a fluke.

Edit: I did not see Foley laugh as the decision was read out, and I was sitting 2 rows back. He was a good sportsman and walked right over to Smith and his corner to congratulate them.

[Marlin]

thanks for sharing your view

[adamheight]

I was at the fight. Foley won the first round imo and lost the second. Third and fourth were close and could have gone either way, but if I was judging I probably would have given them to Smith, who did a little more work and always threw the last punch of what few exchanges there were (neither guy was very active the whole fight, especially rounds 3 and 4). It also looked like there were two missed knockdown calls, one by Foley in the 1st round and one by Smith later (Foley actually never went down but touched the canvas with his glove). Both may have been aided by the receipient being off balance, but both followed clean punches (although neither guy seemed hurt either time).

Foley seemed a little intimidated, which is surprising given that he was apparently getting good hard sparring with world LHW contenders like Yusef Mack according to an article on the Ring's website. They announced a 4.25 lb weight difference if I remeber correctly (170.75 to 175). The fight was there for Foley if he would have been more active. I thought Foley's boxing looked pretty good when he committed to moving his hands, but Smith landed a few big punches which maybe helped discourage Foley from letting his hands go. Foley seemed to have the physical tools. I'm sure its tough for a young guy to swallow a huge disappointment like the loss must be, but I hope he learns from it and carries on (no pun intended). Maybe a fight or two in Oz, but he should probably get back in the saddle and go back to the states to develop further if his heart is in it. As someone mentioned, a 4 round decision loss is no big deal. It will be forgotten if he has a good performance next time he fights in the states to prove that this fight was a fluke.

Edit: I did not see Foley laugh as the decision was read out, and I was sitting 2 rows back. He was a good sportsman and walked right over to Smith and his corner to congratulate them.

so they were contracted to fight at SMW but NEITHER of them made the 168lb limit? very strange.

so basically they both broke the contract and said fcuk it, lets do this anyway?! as opposed to only Smith breaking the contract and kerry reluctanly agreeing to go ahead with the fight (which would be stupid)

[Marlin]

Where does he mention a contract weight?

[adamheight]

Where does he mention a contract weight?

no kim mentioned it earlier in a post

edit:edit: i just re read kims post and u r right it didnt say anything about a contracted weight, just a contract to fight

[N2 Shape]

If Foley is going to bust ass to get down to SMW why would he fight a LHW? Surely in the contract they'd want it to state there opponent must make weight it only makes sense? Otherwise if the guy weighed 190lbs would he still feel forced to fight because he had a signed contract to "fight" no maytter what the weight is? Contracts do allow the fighter to agree on fighting still if the other guy has weighed in slightly heavy and if Foley agreed to fight SMith who was the bigger man then that was his decision to live with.

All im saying is if someone weighs in heavy you are not FORCED to fight him regardless unless you are stupid enough to sign a contract that says so

[kimf]

N2 Shape you are a dickhead
you are opening your mouth without knowing any facts
to stop kerry from fighting thai cabbies put up bostic

[region 8]

From what people have been telling me, he had only 7 amateur fights. How is he known, for not having a amateur background?

[adamheight]

Kimf. Is that dude right in saying kerry weighed in at 171.5?..coz thats LHW anyways.

[N2 Shape]

I know your hurting from Foleys loss Kimf, i dont no the EXCAT facts just simply stating some known facts! In terms of the weight diff you cant complain if you cant put together a simple contract to make the other fighter make weight then you have no excuse if Smith didnt make weight you shouldnt have to fight him if you had a proper contract stating he had to make weight. Im thinking Kerry and his team just got a little cocky thinking Smith can be a little heavier and they'll still beat him because of his poor record. It happens relax!

Im more than happy to put up Bostic in with Foley lets do it and not talk about it! The balls in your court if you have ANY say at all with what goes on with Kerry!! But lets do it right and make it a 10/12 rounder!

[kimf]

170.5lbs yes, the morning of the weigh in kerry weighed 169lbs but after seeing smith weigh in the nude to make 175 he decided to scull his 1litre bottle of rehydration drink to bump up his weight but this is no excuse as to why he lost
the weight issue was a mistake by kerrys management in the US with kerry going to america soley to fight at his new weight smw but the contract was for lhw but was not checked
kerry laughing at the decision was literal with kerry feeling the judges leant towards the home guy as they do
he said he waited for terrence to lead too often and didnt get going until the 4th round but still felt he did enough to get a decision and could have been awarded the fight if it was fought in australia
kerry never complained or blamed anyone but himself and there are a few factors in which kerry knows personally as to why he did not put up his best performance
kerry decided to take the fight as top rank organised it, they had two scouts watching his performance from the crowd, terrance had already postponed it two weeks earlier only two days from the fight which meant kerry had to maintain his weight for this extended period and he had been in america for 6 weeks already.
kerry explained the knockdowns by sayng the ring was lumpy and lopsided and he only hit terrance with a double jab and to the refs credit he used some commonsense and only awarded a slip and did the same for him
as i never saw the fight i cant comment and still stand by my original post as to head to america and lose by those scores is inexcusable
kerry plans on having a fight in australia and then going over for another fight
N2Shape i have nothing to do with him but why if he hasnt fought 12 rounds would he fight at that ditance

[N2 Shape]

Kimf the points you make in your last post are exactly what im referring to. For his management not to check the contract is inexcusable.........say no more.

Im not saying Kerry cant comeback and there may be other factors which contribute to his loss but i have a feeling Smith weas used by top rank to truly test Kerrys potential and he failed them.

Also Bostic hasnt fought 10/12 rounds either but if they were to face each other why make it 4 or 6 rounds? at the very least we'd want 8, 10 would be ideal! We'd do it over 8 or 10 rounds for sure but wont waste our time with 4 and 6 rounders unless they are pure tune-up bouts and i respect Kerry enough to want to fight him over at least 8!

[kimf]

you are not referring to it at all
yes it is unacceptable not to read the contract but kerry was not being handled by his management from oz.
how do you have a try out against a guy from a different weight class
i understand kerry has previously fought at lhw but that is only as he has been waiting to fully develop, now tht he feels he has stopped growing he will fight at his correct weight
that is why kerry is going back over as top rank realise the error as normal people should and are going to give him another chance
re read you original post you are way off and i have tried to explain everything i know to be truth
but now you are trying to cope out by saying that is what i said
a lesser person as yourself would not have taken the fight and made excuses and showed there true cowardly colours
enough said nothing is personal but as posted by apeman the fight was close and kerry knew before the fight he had to win by ko cause it would be hard to get the decision
again you are making assumptions without knowing facts

[N2 Shape]

If his management in OZ were doing there job they'd be making sure he wasnt getting a raw deal in the US. I dont have to re-read anything as i have also been told by qualified sources that Smith won the fight easily. I fight myself and have never once made an excuse for any fight i've had, do you fight kimf? Not saying you cannot comment on boxing if you dont fight but dont call me a lesser man. In anycase it doesnt make you a lesser man for standing up for whats rifhgt and refusing to fight if that contracts were done properly and weights were clarified!

Im not sure you no all the facts yourself bud, but like you said nothing personal.

[toppity]

you are not referring to it at all
yes it is unacceptable not to read the contract but kerry was not being handled by his management from oz.
how do you have a try out against a guy from a different weight class
i understand kerry has previously fought at lhw but that is only as he has been waiting to fully develop, now tht he feels he has stopped growing he will fight at his correct weight
that is why kerry is going back over as top rank realise the error as normal people should and are going to give him another chance
re read you original post you are way off and i have tried to explain everything i know to be truth
but now you are trying to cope out by saying that is what i said
a lesser person as yourself would not have taken the fight and made excuses and showed there true cowardly colours
enough said nothing is personal but as posted by apeman the fight was close and kerry knew before the fight he had to win by ko cause it would be hard to get the decision
again you are making assumptions without knowing facts

actually that seems quite personal..... in fact very personal...calling a man a coward.

[N2 Shape]

hahaha thanks toppity!

[Hounddawg]

you are not referring to it at all
yes it is unacceptable not to read the contract but kerry was not being handled by his management from oz.
how do you have a try out against a guy from a different weight class
i understand kerry has previously fought at lhw but that is only as he has been waiting to fully develop, now tht he feels he has stopped growing he will fight at his correct weight
that is why kerry is going back over as top rank realise the error as normal people should and are going to give him another chance
re read you original post you are way off and i have tried to explain everything i know to be truth
but now you are trying to cope out by saying that is what i said
a lesser person as yourself would not have taken the fight and made excuses and showed there true cowardly colours
enough said nothing is personal but as posted by apeman the fight was close and kerry knew before the fight he had to win by ko cause it would be hard to get the decision
again you are making assumptions without knowing facts

actually that seems quite personal..... in fact very personal...calling a man a coward.

Thats right Toppity, you ref and I'll judge, so far after the 4th round I have it even, with both posters being rocked.

[Hounddawg]

If his management in OZ were doing there job they'd be making sure he wasnt getting a raw deal in the US. I dont have to re-read anything as i have also been told by qualified sources that Smith won the fight easily. I fight myself and have never once made an excuse for any fight i've had, do you fight kimf? Not saying you cannot comment on boxing if you dont fight but dont call me a lesser man. In anycase it doesnt make you a lesser man for standing up for whats rifhgt and refusing to fight if that contracts were done properly and weights were clarified!

Im not sure you no all the facts yourself bud, but like you said nothing personal.

Whats your record like and what name do you fight under?

[apeman]

If his management in OZ were doing there job they'd be making sure he wasnt getting a raw deal in the US. I dont have to re-read anything as i have also been told by qualified sources that Smith won the fight easily. I fight myself and have never once made an excuse for any fight i've had, do you fight kimf? Not saying you cannot comment on boxing if you dont fight but dont call me a lesser man. In anycase it doesnt make you a lesser man for standing up for whats rifhgt and refusing to fight if that contracts were done properly and weights were clarified!

Im not sure you no all the facts yourself bud, but like you said nothing personal.

If there was a mistake with the weights, and it certainly looked like Smith was the bigger guy, that might explain some of the caution with which Foley fought if it got in his head. But it sounds like if Foley was 169 like Kim F said that's still LHW as SMW is 168? Still, regardless of whether Smith was 10 lbs heavier, Foley seemed to have the classier striaghter punches when he was assertive and let his hands go. Regardless, its not like Smith used his weight as an advantage in the way he fought at all - he fought from the outside and used his reach, not his weight. Like I said in my first post, it seemed like maybe it was a psychological disadvantage for Foley more than a physical one. If he only had 8 amateur bouts and 11 pro, its not surprising that extraneous factors got in his head and was thrown off a little bit. One thing that extensive amatuer experience helps with is getting a guy used to last minute opponent, time or venue changes, lumpy rings, weight differences, uncomfortable gloves, etc., etc., etc. Chalk it up as a learning experince, take a little time off, then get back at it. That's the way boxing works. Although its a different level, Perro Angulo and Kermit Cintron are both in their own way good examples of what I'm talking about - Kermit just showed that he has learnt from all of the early losses and bumps, and now Perro will need to learn from his loss, and if he does he will come back stronger mentally and physically and be a big star.