Amir Khan=Gold

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 20 Aug 2004, 09:38

Fantastic win and a fantastic piece of boxing to do it also.
What a difference to his first bout.
He was quite awesome, the Korean will be lucky to see out the 4 rnds.
I would not rule out a gold for him on this afternoons showing.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 20 Aug 2004, 09:44

I hope you're right about the Korean, but from my limited amateur perspective, Korean fighters are never easy to beat.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 20 Aug 2004, 09:54

Did you see the Korean fight after Khan?
I think Khan who showed good power and almost had the Bulgarian going a couple of times, the Korean looked shattered at the end of his bout, true they did not show all his contest but I feel Khan could score the elusive stoppage in this tournament, he really seemed to get stronger as the contest went along, and Khan was the forward fighter in most of the fight.

d · Post by d » 20 Aug 2004, 10:10

Watched the Korean's fightlive.
Very strong,but,..very crude and slow.His chin is way up in the air and i can't see how Amir's accuracy and speed of punch won't hammer him!
I can see Amir winning on the outclassed stoppage ruling.All he has to do is box sharp and clever,not try for the big power shots and he'll piss it.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 20 Aug 2004, 10:18

When I saw the Korean on monday I thought he'd give Khan nightmares, but then I thought the same about Stillianov.

Barring anything strange happening I think we're going to see our boy in with Kindelan a week on Sunday.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 20 Aug 2004, 10:25

I have missed the Cuban so far, how has he looked.
Is his style a plus for Khan or a nightmare?

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 20 Aug 2004, 10:32

tonyevs wrote:I have missed the Cuban so far, how has he looked.
Is his style a plus for Khan or a nightmare?

he's awesome. He can match Khan for speed and wont walk onto shots like the rest of the opposition. But Khan isn't made for Kindelan either. I will be shocked if it isn't the final....it will be a great match...have to give Kindelan the edge with experience and what he has achieved...plus he beat Khan a few weeks back, although Khan has come on even since then.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 20 Aug 2004, 10:35

I know it is very very early, but if Amir is lucky enough to get gold this time, do you think it will be beneficial to stay in the vest for another 4yrs as he has said he wants to or turn over in about two years time before he gets stuck in the amateur style too much.

You can bet there will be some very good offers for his services even if he comes home now, and if he wins a gold then he is at the pinnacle of the amateur game already.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 20 Aug 2004, 10:42

tonyevs wrote:I know it is very very early, but if Amir is lucky enough to get gold this time, do you think it will be beneficial to stay in the vest for another 4yrs as he has said he wants to or turn over in about two years time before he gets stuck in the amateur style too much.

You can bet there will be some very good offers for his services even if he comes home now, and if he wins a gold then he is at the pinnacle of the amateur game already.

He should stay an amateur regardless of what he does in Athens in my view. It can only do him the world of good I think. He’s just too young to turn pro now, and its as simple as that.

Furthermore even the sheer possibility of him signing with Warren fills me with dread. Someone of his talent doesn’t need to be associated with the letter “WBU” in any way shape or form….

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 20 Aug 2004, 10:46

I would not suggest a move straight away, but maybe in about two yrs, though definetly before the next Olympics.
He does seem very mature in body and mind, and maybe the extra couple of years to get international experience and then he could be brought along in the pro ranks.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 20 Aug 2004, 10:56

tonyevs wrote:I would not suggest a move straight away, but maybe in about two yrs, though definetly before the next Olympics.
He does seem very mature in body and mind, and maybe the extra couple of years to get international experience and then he could be brought along in the pro ranks.

But why? ...and why "definitely before the next Olympics"?

Don't lose sight fo the fact he is 17. We aren't talking about a 30+ audley Harrison type here. He WILL (if he chooses to) have a LONG and superb pro career. By why rush it?

Why do it whenhe is, say 19, and be burnt out by the time he is 27-28?

He has time on his side, and really should go to Bejing! How superb would it being turning pro being a possible double olympic champion at the weight?

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:08

I just think turning over at 20(or there about) he would have gained enough amateur experience, did I read he has been boxing since he was 9yrs old or something.

And as for being burned out at 27-28, then that is a different matter.
He will fight at a lighter weight class and at the age mentioned if he turned over at an earlier age he may have achieved all his goals and be ready to retire anyway.
As said it is very very early to say, but I was just asking the question of when to turn.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:14

On a slightly different note I do like those mechanised swing chairs they have at the end of the round rather than a traditional stool.

danzig · Post by **danzig** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:22

I can see Amir getting gold if he performs at his best and Kindelan does not. I've seen him fight over 20 times and he genuinely is one of the most talented lads i've ever seen. Saw him just totally outclass all the lads his own age in the junior aba's last year but i'm still surprised how strong he clearly is to be competing with men 10 years his senior. Can't see him being a wb who? champ and being content with that type of management, remember he overuled the aba who didnt want him to go to the world juniors. He's a very, very determined young man, spoke to his dad a couple of years ago who told me that after he got robbed in a contest when he was 14 he vowed it would never happen again and just trained harder and harder to make himself twice as good as anyone else. Not many lads have that sort of mentality. He's going to be star no doubt, lets cheer him on to gold!!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:22

Personally, I think if he wins a medal here, he should turn pro some time shortly BEFORE the next Olympics. My only concern is that the amateur code being what it is now, it can actually be a detriment to the fighter once they turn professional, as the two codes diverge so widely.

However, anothr 3 years of amateur experience, including a world championship would give him invaluable experience, and allow him time to mature physically.

As for being burnt out. Erik Morales is now 27 and has been fighting since he was 17, hasn't done him much harm, though he probably doesn't have long left at the top. It's not the length of the career, it's the quality that counts.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:26

Khan was superb, he was slightly open at times but he is so skilled and had his man hurt at times, when Khan dropped onto the back foot and let the favoured counter puncher come forward that was a great move tactically. He made few mistakes which was encouraging, the only person making mistakes was Jim Neilly as usual, got a bit carried away and let things get to him.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:28

It's the openings which worry me if he goes in against Kindelan, who is like a bloody cobra, and tactically very astute. If Khan manages to beat Kindelan then we have a bloody genius on our hands.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:31

Erik Morales really is remarkable. Against Chavez I thought we were seeing shades of Barrera creeping into his style. There was a conservative, almost burnt out look to him at times. Then against Hernandez, his biggest strongest opponent to date he just gets right down to business from the first bell, keeping up a ferocious pace all the way through.

Built to last, quite clearly.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:42

If he does strike Gold...i'd like to seem him go on to the Commonwealths and then onto pro. He'll be 19 and ready i think. But it's still a big 'if', Kindelan is still looking impressive.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:44

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's the openings which worry me if he goes in against Kindelan, who is like a bloody cobra, and tactically very astute. If Khan manages to beat Kindelan then we have a bloody genius on our hands.

I'm afraid there's only ONE COBRA!!! The hottest prospect in world boxing.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Aug 2004, 11:46

adamiw wrote:If he does strike Gold...i'd like to seem him go on to the Commonwealths and then onto pro. He'll be 19 and ready i think. But it's still a big 'if', Kindelan is still looking impressive.

Was kindelan competing today? How did he look, bloody lunchbreak was over when the boxing was on and had to run a fekking errand.

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 20 Aug 2004, 12:13

Regardless of if he beats the great Cuban or not, Khan is still the biggest talent British boxing has produced in years. He is fearless.
However, Kindelan is a modern boxing great – amateur or pro – if he boxed professionally people would be hailing him as the second coming. He's been unbeatable for around 5 years. Enjoy these last few fights of a magnificent career.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 20 Aug 2004, 12:18

If and when Khan turns pro let's just hope for goodness sakes *censored* doesn't get his claws into him first, we don't need another talent wasted on spurious KFC title defences.

IronKidDynamite · Post by **IronKidDynamite** » 20 Aug 2004, 12:38

I missed it will it be replayed on BBC or highlights or anything? Whens his next fight?

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 20 Aug 2004, 12:40

Not exactly sure when but i think he now faces the solid but limited Korean Baik in the next phase. He got past Munkh Erdene U. (remember that name!!) in the second round.