i believe it was decline of his defense skills, especially
his head and body movement, that changed his fate.
against tucker he was hard to hit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEV1SMJvCFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNM9q9Xw ... re=related
but against holyfield that had changed IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cBwF4OQlmc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_0h6GZB ... re=related
i have the feeling that defense became pretty stereotype
and easier to read. he still moved his head down, but it
was more like bowing than ducking and he did less
movement to the sides. all in all his defense was slower
and more predictable.
the reason for mike tyson's decline
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His fighting style, and lifestyle out of the ring I reckon.
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Well majority feel he was at his best with Rooney, living clean.
As soon as he got married/divorced, fired his team, practically stopped training, things went into decline.
He did not take things seriously, and an upset was around the corner, which happened to come against a prepared Douglas.
Basically, when his troubles outside the ring spiralled out of control, his career was shattered.
His Boxing Skills went down the drain once he spent 4 years out of the ring and training whilst in Prison
As soon as he got married/divorced, fired his team, practically stopped training, things went into decline.
He did not take things seriously, and an upset was around the corner, which happened to come against a prepared Douglas.
Basically, when his troubles outside the ring spiralled out of control, his career was shattered.
His Boxing Skills went down the drain once he spent 4 years out of the ring and training whilst in Prison
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don king giving him free reign and trainners not being able to control him
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Re: the reason for mike tyson's decline
my reason:
he was a physical freak and phenomenally early peaker, so was always likely to decline at a younger age than most or all top heavyweights, with whom maturation is normally a much longer-term affair.
that plus all the other stuff
he was a physical freak and phenomenally early peaker, so was always likely to decline at a younger age than most or all top heavyweights, with whom maturation is normally a much longer-term affair.
that plus all the other stuff
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because of his psyche......period. Cus knew Tyson truly needed a family structure.....Cus gave that to him and when it was gone, that discipline and commitment to excellence left on the same train. IF Tyson would have lived a different life, and have been treated well and given nurturing from birth, he might never have discovered his greatness as a boxer at all. But if that alternate life would have been based on a solid set of values and ethics with good people around him AND he pursued boxing, he just might have turned into someone even more amazing in terms of athletics.
But that's the story of most of our lives.
But that's the story of most of our lives.
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agree with all of you. what interested me was where,
when and how it showed in the ring. and to me that
was at his defense ... yet, the other thing one can
argue is that tyson had not faced a world class fighter
at this fighter's prime before holyfield, whose chin was
top notch amazing ...
when and how it showed in the ring. and to me that
was at his defense ... yet, the other thing one can
argue is that tyson had not faced a world class fighter
at this fighter's prime before holyfield, whose chin was
top notch amazing ...
Re: the reason for mike tyson's decline
Tyson was an uncivilised animal, Cus and his team tamed him and turned him into a fighter, when Cus and then Jacobs died and those close to him like Kevin Rooney were fired off and King took control he soon reverted back to the animal.
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Oh, the myth of the clean-living Tyson still persists. Tyson's been pretty open about being an alcoholic/addict very early on. Both Rooney and D'Amato tried to keep him from staying out late at night by making him do his roadwork at 5:00 AM, but Tyson, still half drunk, would get up, do his roadwork and go back to sleep for six hours.
The only real change in his training is that in his early years, he wouldn't have sex while he was training for a fight, because Muhammad Ali wouldn't. Of course, in the ring, he wasn't the same fighter. When you stop throwing combinations, you WILL lose to lesser fighters. We saw the same thing when Julio Cesar Chavez lost to Frankie Randall, when Bernard Hopkins lost to Joe Calzaghe, when Roy Jones lost to Antonio Tarver.
His stamina was always decent, if not great. He could fight like Joe Frazier for four or five rounds, and usually after then, his opponents were too scared to take advantage; it worked. But later on, he would only come in behind head movement for a couple of rounds or so, and if he got hit really hard, he'd quit doing that and go on the defensive, looking for one shot. Two minutes into the fight with Lennox Lewis, he'd already given up on winning. You saw the same thing when Whitaker lost to Trinidad. He looked good in that first round, but everyone looks good until he gets hit.
Anyway, search function, n00b. You're lucky I felt like typing.
The only real change in his training is that in his early years, he wouldn't have sex while he was training for a fight, because Muhammad Ali wouldn't. Of course, in the ring, he wasn't the same fighter. When you stop throwing combinations, you WILL lose to lesser fighters. We saw the same thing when Julio Cesar Chavez lost to Frankie Randall, when Bernard Hopkins lost to Joe Calzaghe, when Roy Jones lost to Antonio Tarver.
His stamina was always decent, if not great. He could fight like Joe Frazier for four or five rounds, and usually after then, his opponents were too scared to take advantage; it worked. But later on, he would only come in behind head movement for a couple of rounds or so, and if he got hit really hard, he'd quit doing that and go on the defensive, looking for one shot. Two minutes into the fight with Lennox Lewis, he'd already given up on winning. You saw the same thing when Whitaker lost to Trinidad. He looked good in that first round, but everyone looks good until he gets hit.
Anyway, search function, n00b. You're lucky I felt like typing.
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good heaven! very lucky you felt like typing ...Ox Baker wrote:... When you stop throwing combinations, you WILL lose to lesser fighters. We saw the same thing when Julio Cesar Chavez lost to Frankie Randall, when Bernard Hopkins lost to Joe Calzaghe, when Roy Jones lost to Antonio Tarver.
His stamina was always decent, if not great. He could fight like Joe Frazier for four or five rounds, and usually after then, his opponents were too scared to take advantage; it worked. But later on, he would only come in behind head movement for a couple of rounds or so, and if he got hit really hard, he'd quit doing that and go on the defensive, looking for one shot. Two minutes into the fight with Lennox Lewis, he'd already given up on winning. You saw the same thing when Whitaker lost to Trinidad. He looked good in that first round, but everyone looks good until he gets hit.
Anyway, search function, n00b. You're lucky I felt like typing.
good point on the combinations. he first became a
single puncher, then a wide swinger ...
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Re: the reason for mike tyson's decline
The reason why Tyson was busy tons of fighting bums early, was to keep him out of trouble.
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quote - "The only real change in his training is that in his early years, he wouldn't have sex while he was training for a fight, because Muhammad Ali wouldn't."
when did it emerge that Mike was sleeping with Ali? and why, considering his conviction for rape, did mike show much respect for muhammads refusal to have sex with him? and finally, is this the reason he started to call himself "iron" mike? we need to know!
when did it emerge that Mike was sleeping with Ali? and why, considering his conviction for rape, did mike show much respect for muhammads refusal to have sex with him? and finally, is this the reason he started to call himself "iron" mike? we need to know!