Delahoya - Hopkins PPV

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 22 Aug 2004, 17:21

the americans have to shell out $59.95

for it, so i heard.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 22 Aug 2004, 18:25

It would have to have a fantastic under card also for that money.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 22 Aug 2004, 18:35

tonyevs wrote:It would have to have a fantastic under card also for that money.

So far, the only bout of much note is Juan Manuel Marquez's latest defence of his titles against a mandatory challenger i think. DLH attracts casual fans over in the US...they tend not to be too fussed about the undercard.

I dont think it's worth it...Hopkins is going to dish out a beating to DLH

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 23 Aug 2004, 04:32

It's a big event but anyone expecting an exciting fight will be disappointed.

I'd be surprised if we see a single toe-to-toe exchange.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 23 Aug 2004, 04:55

Kilburn wrote:It's a big event but anyone expecting an exciting fight will be disappointed.

I'd be surprised if we see a single toe-to-toe exchange.

DLH will run for his life. If he gets into an exchange, he's out.

Anyone know what kind, if any, strength training DLH is doing?

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 23 Aug 2004, 05:31

DLH is extremely popular in the US. If that was the same price in the UK, not many people would buy it. Hopkins mouth helps too.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 23 Aug 2004, 05:58

i wouldn´t give a cent for the most overhyped and overestimated boxer of all times. i hope Hopkins kills de la Tortilla-Kournikova that America has a new great sports commentator and promoter. hasta la vista, cono!

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 23 Aug 2004, 06:04

Whatever happens against Hopkins I feel De La Hoya is pretty much beyond reproach. We're talking about a man here who took on Ike Quartey and Felix Trinidad in the same year. Boy does he like to test himself.

Smit · Post by **Smit** » 23 Aug 2004, 06:35

De La Hoya is gonna win

just wait and see.

Not worth $59.95 though .... that's around £35 ?

I guess Sky will try and charge £16.99 here, that's my guess

J · Post by J » 23 Aug 2004, 06:50

Kilburn wrote:Whatever happens against Hopkins I feel De La Hoya is pretty much beyond reproach. We're talking about a man here who took on Ike Quartey and Felix Trinidad in the same year. Boy does he like to test himself.

COULDNT AGREE MORE.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 23 Aug 2004, 07:32

Anyone think De La Hoya is worth a bet at the bookies?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Aug 2004, 07:38

I wouldn't write off ODH too quickly. He could well end up outboxing an old Hopkins.
Bernard is no Hagler, and he doesn't have a one punch bomb either. He's going to have to really catch Oscar, repeatedly, so slow him down.

De La Hoya has never taken a fight he didn't think he had a great chance to win.

Credit Oscar for the Trinidad fight, but all the other guys had shown a major weakness before Oscar took them on ( or a weight disadvantage ).

Ike was coming off a long bout of malaria, followed by a very poor showing, where he'd just been floored three times - his legs were gone and he looked a shot fighter in fact.
Only then did ODH sign for the fight.

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 23 Aug 2004, 07:48

I can't help having the most sneaking of suspicions that ODLH is going to win.

I don't think he would have taken the fight without a gameplan and knowing that he had a very good chance

ODH - UD and I am putting £50 on at the bookies across the road

Slapsie

Smit · Post by **Smit** » 23 Aug 2004, 07:50

Neri1983 wrote:Anyone think De La Hoya is worth a bet at the bookies?

I'm going for De La Hoya on points :)
Or
Hopkins by KO

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 23 Aug 2004, 12:16

Also on the undercard is Kofi Jantuah V Marco Antonio Rubio in a WBC Light Middleweight eliminator which should be good, Juan Manuel Marquez is fighting a decent Mexican Orlando Salido. I can't wait to see Marquez in the flesh, he is one of my favourite fighters at the moment! Keep an eye out for me, i'll be in the back back back back....etc row where the view is like watching subbuteo men

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 23 Aug 2004, 12:18

steve689 wrote:Also on the undercard is Kofi Jantuah V Marco Antonio Rubio in a WBC Light Middleweight eliminator which should be good, Juan Manuel Marquez is fighting a decent Mexican Orlando Salido. I can't wait to see Marquez in the flesh, he is one of my favourite fighters at the moment! Keep an eye out for me, i'll be in the back back back back....etc row where the view is like watching subbuteo men

put a bikini on and be a ring card girl

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 23 Aug 2004, 12:21

Lol, me in a bikini?! I'd be locked away in isolation on Las Vegas's death row

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 23 Aug 2004, 12:26

MightyWarrior wrote:Ike was coming off a long bout of malaria, followed by a very poor showing, where he'd just been floored three times - his legs were gone and he looked a shot fighter in fact.
Only then did ODH sign for the fight.

Mate do you really think that Oscar expected Quartey to come in at anything less than 100% for the biggest fight of his career?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Aug 2004, 12:48

Kilburn wrote: Mate do you really think that Oscar expected Quartey to come in at anything less than 100% for the biggest fight of his career?

Yes I reckon he did. Not because Ike wasn't going to train, but because he'd seen Ike stumbling around the ring in his last fight against Lopez.
Defintely not the fighter he was a few years back, and Oscar realised now was a good time to take him on. Just like with Vargas.
Ray Leonard was very good at picking the right time too.
When you're the golden boy, you can do that.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 23 Aug 2004, 16:09

2/5 is a good price for a guy who realistically has little chance of losing.

anyone betting big on hopkins? if ever there were a big fight to bet your (proverbial) house on, this is it.

harley_man · Post by **harley_man** » 23 Aug 2004, 16:51

Word I heard was that DLH tried making all the other fights happen first, especially a third Mosley tilt, before moving on to Hopkins. Hopkins signed right away knowing it was by far to his advantage. Trinidad and Mosley would have none of Oscar's usual my-way-or-the-highway negotiating and Hopkins was only too happy to agree to the nitpicking details if it guaranteed the big bucks.

But I too won't write DLH off until I see it. He's surprised me before. Of course here I'm saying a surprise will be if he doesn't get killed.

I'm hearing $65.00 CDN here. Any other Canadians know the price?

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 23 Aug 2004, 16:55

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 24 Aug 2004, 04:59

MightyWarrior wrote:
Kilburn wrote: Mate do you really think that Oscar expected Quartey to come in at anything less than 100% for the biggest fight of his career?
Yes I reckon he did. Not because Ike wasn't going to train, but because he'd seen Ike stumbling around the ring in his last fight against Lopez.
Defintely not the fighter he was a few years back, and Oscar realised now was a good time to take him on. Just like with Vargas.
Ray Leonard was very good at picking the right time too.
When you're the golden boy, you can do that.

Quartey was 29, unbeaten, and had won nearly all his fights by stoppage. Does that sound like a shop worn fighter? How on earth can you deduce that he was definitely not the fighter he was? Lopez had him down sure, but that's because Lopez was a hell of a fighter, a hell of a fighter that none of the top guys wanted to know about.

Oscar went after Felix Trinidad when Tito was looking at his absolute best, but he only risks it against Quartey because he thinks the guy is on the slide? Doesn't add up.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 24 Aug 2004, 05:36

Kilburn wrote: Quartey was 29, unbeaten, and had won nearly all his fights by stoppage. Does that sound like a shop worn fighter? How on earth can you deduce that he was definitely not the fighter he was? Lopez had him down sure, but that's because Lopez was a hell of a fighter, a hell of a fighter that none of the top guys wanted to know about.

Oscar went after Felix Trinidad when Tito was looking at his absolute best, but he only risks it against Quartey because he thinks the guy is on the slide? Doesn't add up.

Ike was down with a severe bout of malaria in 97 - that's the type of disease that can take years off you. And it certainly showed in his next fight - against Lopez he didn't have his legs under him at all, and barely hung on for a draw: He looked an old fighter.
That's when Oscar called him out, making sure Ike was out of the ring for a further 16 months for good measure.

ODH has always been safetly first. Look at the journey men he's taken on whenever he moves up for a WBO title:
Berdahl, Paez, Castillejo, Strum.

He took on Chavez at welter, but he was an old man by then.
He took on Vargas, but only after he'd been decimated by Trinidad first.
He took on Mosley, but knew he'd have a major weight advantage.

As I said, credit for taking on Tito - but just look how Oscar's safety first approach came to light there - turning a super fight into a stinker.

Give me Tommy Hearns any day 8)