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DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:01

For 165lbs. bout, they just announced that Jessie Hart is still receiving pts and silver medal because it was a DQ on a non-harm foul. They just gave Jessie his medal and announced that even though he was DQ'd, this was the ruling.

kidneypunch · Post by **kidneypunch** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:04

michael hunter was DQ'd wasnt he?

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:05

kidneypunch wrote:michael hunter was DQ'd wasnt he?

He hired a lawyer and then went to arbitration - it was overruled. Lucky he had the money and ability to fight it that quickly. They delayed the 201+ semis until yesterday because of the arbitration.

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:11

Hunter vs Torres fight of the night so far. They are going after each other. Hunter up 11pts. going into last round. Hunter goes to the corner and kicks the stool out of the corner. lol. He's ready. Torres looks gassed but still game.

Last round will be a war.

kidneypunch · Post by **kidneypunch** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:14

CHECK HIS WRAPS >:O

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:16

Hunter wins 31-12. He wasn't going to leave any questions.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:24

Definitely congrats, Dennis, on Jordan's win. I don't understand, however, how Kisner got to the finals. Both hands way down, telegraphing one punch at a time - pro style.

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 00:59

boxmel wrote:Definitely congrats, Dennis, on Jordan's win. I don't understand, however, how Kisner got to the finals. Both hands way down, telegraphing one punch at a time - pro style.

He won 5-0 paper score and 12-1, but his fights are usually low scoring. It's hard to score against a heavyweight that moves like a middleweight, especially when you're not used to it. I think that Jordan outworked him and took advantage of Nick backing straight out after is combos.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 14 Jun 2009, 01:22

DCAmateurBoxing wrote:Duran Caffero winner at 132lbs. Congrats Koyla!!!

3 decades since someone from Montana has won a USA, we think. He definitely deserved it; competing through the GG and this tournament with a pretty serious injury. I can tell you all of LBC 31 is proud tonight.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Jun 2009, 02:41

DCAmateurBoxing wrote:Shimmel wins at 201lbs. Congrats Dennis!! Two big wins for Jordan in NGG and USA.

Thanks. Jordan boxed well and followed the game plan.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Jun 2009, 02:49

boxmel wrote:Definitely congrats, Dennis, on Jordan's win. I don't understand, however, how Kisner got to the finals. Both hands way down, telegraphing one punch at a time - pro style.

Thanks Mel.
They call him "Slick Nick" for good reason. We have seen him box a bunch of times and knew what to expect. Jordan was prepared to handle it if Nick ran, if Nick stood his ground or if Nick got aggressive. Nick does have quick hands and feet as does Jordan. Nick is also awkward which gives most opponents fits.
Jordan just won his 100th bout.

PHILLYSTEVE · Post by **PHILLYSTEVE** » 14 Jun 2009, 08:36

what do you mean jessie hart still gets his points?

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 08:57

PHILLYSTEVE wrote:what do you mean jessie hart still gets his points?

Let's say that you get to the finals of a national rankings tournament, meaning that you should get pts for that even if you lose. Pts that are added up for the USAB quarterly rankings.

If you are DQ'd for a harm foul like a low blow(s), you get zero pts.

Jessie was DQ'd in the finals for a non-harm foul, so he gets the pts attached with the silver medal at the US Nationals. Jessie Hart will get an addl 400 pts for the silver.

big ed · Post by **big ed** » 14 Jun 2009, 10:39

so whats next for the 1st 2nd and 3rd place fighters?

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 11:33

big ed wrote:so whats next for the 1st 2nd and 3rd place fighters?

Training camps & international duals. . . I think Great Britain has been confirmed. Not sure what else.

PHILLYSTEVE · Post by **PHILLYSTEVE** » 14 Jun 2009, 12:54

DOES 1ST, 2ND, AND 3RD PLACE IN THE RANKINGS, GET PAID? WHAT THE NEXT RANKING TOURNAMENT?

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 13:10

PHILLYSTEVE wrote:DOES 1ST, 2ND, AND 3RD PLACE IN THE RANKINGS, GET PAID? WHAT THE NEXT RANKING TOURNAMENT?

No. 1st and 2nd get $1000 and $500 per month for the next year. USA Boxing plans on adding more ranking tournaments and there was talk about the Ringside Tournament becoming a ranking tournament, but I haven't heard anything else.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Jun 2009, 15:13

and there was talk about the Ringside Tournament becoming a ranking tournament

ONLY if they don't allow foreign boxers to compete.

Next ranking tournament is the National PAL in San Antonio in October.

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 16:25

boxmel wrote:
and there was talk about the Ringside Tournament becoming a ranking tournament
ONLY if they don't allow foreign boxers to compete.

Hmmm. . . .decisions, decisions. Don't let the 100 or so foreign boxers compete and drop the "World" off the moniker or become a ranking tournament and try to attract more of the elite boxers to come. JB could always not let the foreign boxers compete in just the open categories right? JOs and Masters could still have foreign boxers, right?

I don't think dropping the foreign boxers but keeping the name "World" would fly so well.

Mel, do you know what is the timeframe for announcing if it is a ranking tournament? Also, how feasible is it really for USAB to add "more and more ranking tournaments during the year"? What other tournaments could they make a ranking tourney? The number of days would have to be increased wouldn't it? I would think a "ranking tournament" could have split weight divisions and multiple champions. . .

big ed · Post by **big ed** » 14 Jun 2009, 17:05

thats great!! hopefully we will have a great team for 2012.

kidneypunch · Post by **kidneypunch** » 14 Jun 2009, 19:26

DCAmateurBoxing wrote:
PHILLYSTEVE wrote:DOES 1ST, 2ND, AND 3RD PLACE IN THE RANKINGS, GET PAID? WHAT THE NEXT RANKING TOURNAMENT?
No. 1st and 2nd get $1000 and $500 per month for the next year. USA Boxing plans on adding more ranking tournaments and there was talk about the Ringside Tournament becoming a ranking tournament, but I haven't heard anything else.

THEY GET PAID??!!? I THOUGHT IT WAS A RUMOR

1000 bucks a month?

for how many years?

WOooooOOo MONEYYYY

ZMOMMI · Post by **ZMOMMI** » 14 Jun 2009, 19:36

THEY GET PAID??!!? I THOUGHT IT WAS A RUMOR

Champions get $1000/month for the next year

Silvers get $500/month for the next year

Thats great. Congratulations to everyone involved.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Jun 2009, 21:13

Don't let the 100 or so foreign boxers compete and drop the "World" off the moniker

Ringside is NOT a recognized "World" tournament.

or become a ranking tournament and try to attract more of the elite boxers to come.

I think Ringside gets its fair share of elite boxers every year. I don't know how many more would come if they were officially ranked. And I'm sure that tournament is being considered because JB is on the BOD.

JB could always not let the foreign boxers compete in just the open categories right? JOs and Masters could still have foreign boxers, right?

JOs and novice could include foreign. Masters, no - because we are the only country who registers boxers over 35 and foreign Masters would have to have an AIBA passbook in order to participate.

I don't think dropping the foreign boxers but keeping the name "World" would fly so well.

Sure wouldn't. 8)

Mel, do you know what is the timeframe for announcing if it is a ranking tournament?

Probably whenever the BOD meets and makes the decision.

Also, how feasible is it really for USAB to add "more and more ranking tournaments during the year"?

I think it would be a total glut and totally screw up the rankings. How many boxers can box in tournaments all year? How many can take off work or school to participate? How many have the money to pay their own way? Makes no sense to me.

What other tournaments could they make a ranking tourney?

No clue.

The number of days would have to be increased wouldn't it? I would think a "ranking tournament" could have split weight divisions and multiple champions. . .

No. Any ranking tournament would follow the same schedule as any other tournament - 4 or 5 days max. Multiple champions would only muddy the rankings.

atlanta coach · Post by **atlanta coach** » 14 Jun 2009, 22:23

D.C. - I think it would be great if Ringside were to become a rankng tournament.. Every chance our kids get to compete on a national level, ESPECIALLY on a computer would only help our boxers.. It would really help young J.O. boxers, and novice boxers transitioning into the open division. Ringside is in August where school would not be an issue (unlike National PAL in October). Kansas City is a great central location.. Are you bringing any guys to Augusta for their tournment this month?

Dennis - congratulations again.

DCAmateurBoxing · Post by **DCAmateurBoxing** » 14 Jun 2009, 23:21

atlanta coach wrote:D.C. - I think it would be great if Ringside were to become a rankng tournament.. Every chance our kids get to compete on a national level, ESPECIALLY on a computer would only help our boxers.. It would really help young J.O. boxers, and novice boxers transitioning into the open division. Ringside is in August where school would not be an issue (unlike National PAL in October). Kansas City is a great central location.. Are you bringing any guys to Augusta for their tournment this month?

Dennis - congratulations again.

We're just going to start gearing up for Ringside now. I agree about the Ringside and I'm all for attracting the best boxers out there. I would even love it if they did computer scoring for all of the boxers to get the youngsters ready early. I'm just not sure that you can just make the switch with officials that have no experience in computer scoring. Not sure how I feel on that part of it.

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