Off Topic - ish... your favourite or worst olympic sports

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 25 Aug 2004, 17:42

just sitting watching the weightlifting... fuckin hell their lifting around 40 stone here!! i know that the weightlifting is notorious for drug abuse but fornicate me... forty stone!!??

the iranian dude just broke the world record. apparently when he won the medal 4 years ago th president gave him a house and the iranians named a bank after him!!

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 25 Aug 2004, 18:14

neil r wrote:just sitting watching the weightlifting... fuckin hell their lifting around 40 stone here!! i know that the weightlifting is notorious for drug abuse but fornicate me... forty stone!!??

the iranian dude just broke the world record. apparently when he won the medal 4 years ago th president gave him a house and the iranians named a bank after him!!

I've got a mate who can rep 100kg and obviously more on a one off lift and he's unbelievably strong but 40 stone

That's 254kg!!! BLOODY HELL! What type of lift was it - clean+jerk, snatch etc?

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 25 Aug 2004, 18:24

the snatch. i think anyways... the one where you sort of squat, like your shitting in the woods with the weights above your head then stand with your arms raised. i think the winner hit around 38 stoneish

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 25 Aug 2004, 18:33

Matchfixer wrote:
neil r wrote:just sitting watching the weightlifting... fuckin hell their lifting around 40 stone here!! i know that the weightlifting is notorious for drug abuse but fornicate me... forty stone!!??

the iranian dude just broke the world record. apparently when he won the medal 4 years ago th president gave him a house and the iranians named a bank after him!!
I've got a mate who can rep 100kg and obviously more on a one off lift and he's unbelievably strong but 40 stone

That's 254kg!!! BLOODY HELL! What type of lift was it - clean+jerk, snatch etc?

to be excact it was 263,5kg

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 25 Aug 2004, 19:01

Freiheit wrote:
Matchfixer wrote:
neil r wrote:just sitting watching the weightlifting... fuckin hell their lifting around 40 stone here!! i know that the weightlifting is notorious for drug abuse but fornicate me... forty stone!!??

the iranian dude just broke the world record. apparently when he won the medal 4 years ago th president gave him a house and the iranians named a bank after him!!
I've got a mate who can rep 100kg and obviously more on a one off lift and he's unbelievably strong but 40 stone

That's 254kg!!! BLOODY HELL! What type of lift was it - clean+jerk, snatch etc?
to be excact it was 263,5kg

to be exact that's 41.49 stone

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 26 Aug 2004, 08:38

Freiheit wrote:I think it was Michelle smith. First she competed for Ireland but didnt she change her nationality to dutch at one point?

she's called michelle de bruin now. she was on the tv last night strangely enough. dont know is she was competing this time though due to the fact she was banned after the 96 olympics for 4 years after 'tampering' with a urine sample. according to her she didnt add alcohol to a urine sample. her improved performances were down to "weight lifting and improved training techniques"

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 26 Aug 2004, 08:50

Matchfixer wrote:Regarding drug testing and evasion... The most worrying tale I've read is the trend for DIY blood infusions. Not sure exactly what it is or whether it involved cyclists but I didn't like the sound of it. Perhaps someone here knows more?

That's blood packing. Lasse Viren got done for this, I think. You can do it two ways, not sure which one Viren used, but basically you keep your blood supply at around a pint lower than it should be while you're training, and just before a competition, stick some red-blood-cell-rich blood back in, or you can just stick the 'good' blood in anyway without the previous faff, but of course your body gets used to doing the work on fewer red blood cells if you train with only 8 pints of blood in you (I think my numbers are right, we had an assembly on it in primary school when I was 7).

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 26 Aug 2004, 09:01

Coconut wrote:
Matchfixer wrote:Regarding drug testing and evasion... The most worrying tale I've read is the trend for DIY blood infusions. Not sure exactly what it is or whether it involved cyclists but I didn't like the sound of it. Perhaps someone here knows more?
That's blood packing. Lasse Viren got done for this, I think. You can do it two ways, not sure which one Viren used, but basically you keep your blood supply at around a pint lower than it should be while you're training, and just before a competition, stick some red-blood-cell-rich blood back in, or you can just stick the 'good' blood in anyway without the previous faff, but of course your body gets used to doing the work on fewer red blood cells if you train with only 8 pints of blood in you (I think my numbers are right, we had an assembly on it in primary school when I was 7).

how do you go about keeping your blood supply a pihnt lower than it should be?? the body is constantly reproducing cells to replace old ones etc. hence the fact that within a short period of time blood donors are back to a full quota so to speak. so what do you do? drain off a pint twice a day or something

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 26 Aug 2004, 09:22

neil r wrote:
Coconut wrote:
Matchfixer wrote:Regarding drug testing and evasion... The most worrying tale I've read is the trend for DIY blood infusions. Not sure exactly what it is or whether it involved cyclists but I didn't like the sound of it. Perhaps someone here knows more?
That's blood packing. Lasse Viren got done for this, I think. You can do it two ways, not sure which one Viren used, but basically you keep your blood supply at around a pint lower than it should be while you're training, and just before a competition, stick some red-blood-cell-rich blood back in, or you can just stick the 'good' blood in anyway without the previous faff, but of course your body gets used to doing the work on fewer red blood cells if you train with only 8 pints of blood in you (I think my numbers are right, we had an assembly on it in primary school when I was 7).
how do you go about keeping your blood supply a pihnt lower than it should be?? the body is constantly reproducing cells to replace old ones etc. hence the fact that within a short period of time blood donors are back to a full quota so to speak. so what do you do? drain off a pint twice a day or something

This is disgusting. Who needs Dracula?!

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 26 Aug 2004, 10:27

neil r wrote:
Coconut wrote:
Matchfixer wrote:Regarding drug testing and evasion... The most worrying tale I've read is the trend for DIY blood infusions. Not sure exactly what it is or whether it involved cyclists but I didn't like the sound of it. Perhaps someone here knows more?
That's blood packing. Lasse Viren got done for this, I think. You can do it two ways, not sure which one Viren used, but basically you keep your blood supply at around a pint lower than it should be while you're training, and just before a competition, stick some red-blood-cell-rich blood back in, or you can just stick the 'good' blood in anyway without the previous faff, but of course your body gets used to doing the work on fewer red blood cells if you train with only 8 pints of blood in you (I think my numbers are right, we had an assembly on it in primary school when I was 7).
how do you go about keeping your blood supply a pihnt lower than it should be?? the body is constantly reproducing cells to replace old ones etc. hence the fact that within a short period of time blood donors are back to a full quota so to speak. so what do you do? drain off a pint twice a day or something

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jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Aug 2004, 11:35

What is the scandal surrounding carl lewis, I hear more and more about this lately, but don't remember anything at the time.

He certainly cannot have been juicing, he was the most slight of 100m runners in his era, apart from that guy who held the world record at the time whose name escapes me now, can anyone remember who held the world record before Ben Johnson, he was never olympic or world champ I don't think.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 26 Aug 2004, 11:41

Before Ben Johnson broke the record it was Carl Lewis that held the record. You might be thinking of Calvin Smith, Lewis beat Smiths record in 87(?)

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 26 Aug 2004, 11:51

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What is the scandal surrounding carl lewis, I hear more and more about this lately, but don't remember anything at the time.

He certainly cannot have been juicing, he was the most slight of 100m runners in his era, apart from that guy who held the world record at the time whose name escapes me now, can anyone remember who held the world record before Ben Johnson, he was never olympic or world champ I don't think.

There was a story that he got caught at the 1988 US Olympic trials, failed a test. Him and his training partner, I think, who was Joe Deloach (spelling?) who won the 200 in Seoul. Authorities reckoned it was something found in some supplement he was taking and was inadvertant. Horse shit. USTFA are looking more and more dodgy all the time.

Linford all but came out and said Lewis was on the juice as well. Mind, you'll have to go some to persuade me old Linf was clean.

harley_man · Post by **harley_man** » 26 Aug 2004, 11:56

Ben Johnson's now entirely off the books, of course, but Carl Lewis tied Calvin Smith's 9.93 s (1983) in 1987, when Ben Johnson shattered the record at the World championships in Rome at 9.83. Carl came second so never actually had that record until Johnson admitted his career-long steroid use under oath in Canada's Dubin inquiry in 1989. At that time his 9.92 - second to Johnson's Seoul romp of 9.79 - retroactively became the world record.

But Ben doesn't exist anymore so Carl is a three time world record holder.

And the suspicion with Carl was human growth hormone and multiple cover ups by the USTFA. He and all the other top Americans suposedly failed tests in the US but were cleared without the international bodies or IOC ever being informed.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 26 Aug 2004, 14:10

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Even better Olympic Topless Trampolining. Oh the fun to be had.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 26 Aug 2004, 14:47

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What is the scandal surrounding carl lewis, I hear more and more about this lately, but don't remember anything at the time.

apparently at the time there was some dubiety as to whether he was really grace jones...

grace jones.

carl lewis

its never been proven beyond doubt

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 26 Aug 2004, 15:27

Linford tested positive following an exhibition race after he retired from GB Athletics team in 1996. Of course he was juicing.

harley_man · Post by **harley_man** » 26 Aug 2004, 15:44

They all are. Some are ahead of the curve, some have complicit coaches, officials, federations, and some will never get caught out of sheer luck.

Erasing one admitted cheater from the books to have him replaced by a suspected cheater who was ultimately displaced by a series of eyebrow-raising performances and the now-suspended Montgomery is all a little daft.

The lesson is, never admit guilt. You can keep your records. Ben Johnson voluntarily participated in the government inquiry that led to his admission. That was used to justify the loss of his 9.83 record and his many indoor records.

Then he got caught again in his comeback.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 26 Aug 2004, 17:03

People often forget that Christie failed a drugs test in 1988 following his fourth place in the 200 metres at Seoul. He blamed it on ginsine (Spelling?).

His sample following his 100 metres bronze (later promoted to Silver) was all clear though.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 26 Aug 2004, 18:47

neil r wrote:how do you go about keeping your blood supply a pihnt lower than it should be?? the body is constantly reproducing cells to replace old ones etc. hence the fact that within a short period of time blood donors are back to a full quota so to speak. so what do you do? drain off a pint twice a day or something

After you give blood your plasma volume (plasma being mostly water) quickly rebounds, but your red cell count needs a couple of weeks to fully get back to normal.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Aug 2004, 09:28

Freiheit wrote:Before Ben Johnson broke the record it was Carl Lewis that held the record. You might be thinking of Calvin Smith, Lewis beat Smiths record in 87(?)

That's the guy, Calvin Smith!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Aug 2004, 09:35

Another two who I think may have been the same person?
Add a few years, a few pounds, a few grey hairs.

Odd too how Billy's recording career dried up around the same time Kofi got the job.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 27 Aug 2004, 17:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Another two who I think may have been the same person?
Add a few years, a few pounds, a few grey hairs.

Odd too how Billy's recording career dried up around the same time Kofi got the job.

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