Classic American West Coast Boxing

[dagosd2000]

A ROCK MADE OF CELLULOID

It's been a while. My son used to manage a restaurant in the Rodeo Drive area of Beverly Hills. I never went there. Maybe I should have. Everytime he'd come down to San Diego to visit,I'd always ask him if he saw any movie stars.

This was the time when Sylvester Stallone was goin' great guns with the Rocky movies. Like a lot of people,I enjoyed the first Rocky,but each sequel became more and more overblown. I just couldn't buy all that hype.

Well my son told me that one time between one of Stallone's marriages,he was sneaking around the back entrance of this restaurant trying to put the moves on one of the waitresses. Sly was becoming a pest. The waitress,instead of waiting on customers,was "sparring" in the kitchen with Rocky.

My son finally got tired of this "clinching" while on the clock and told Stallone he'd have to get out and not to come around again when this gal was on her shift.

My son said Stallone didn't put up a fuss.He never came back to the restaurant again. I know my son. He didn't care if it was Rocky Balboa or Rocky Marciano. If you crossed the line with him,he'd let you know to your face

[Rick Farris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtp0LxAP ... annel_page

Gene Fullmer vs. Eduardo Lausse

This is one of the greatest middleweight bouts ever.
Lausse is a monster. Watch him handle the rugged Fullmer.


-Rick Farris

[Rick Farris]

A ROCK MADE OF CELLULOID

It's been a while. My son used to manage a restaurant in the Rodeo Drive area of Beverly Hills. I never went there. Maybe I should have. Everytime he'd come down to San Diego to visit,I'd always ask him if he saw any movie stars.

This was the time when Sylvester Stallone was goin' great guns with the Rocky movies. Like a lot of people,I enjoyed the first Rocky,but each sequel became more and more overblown. I just couldn't buy all that hype.

Well my son told me that one time between one of Stallone's marriages,he was sneaking around the back entrance of this restaurant trying to put the moves on one of the waitresses. Sly was becoming a pest. The waitress,instead of waiting on customers,was "sparring" in the kitchen with Rocky.

My son finally got tired of this "clinching" while on the clock and told Stallone he'd have to get out and not to come around again when this gal was on her shift.

My son said Stallone didn't put up a fuss.He never came back to the restaurant again. I know my son. He didn't care if it was Rocky Balboa or Rocky Marciano. If you crossed the line with him,he'd let you know to your face

Rog . . . Your son is a man. Stallone is crap, everybody in town is aware of it. Talented yes, but a breathing turd.

[bennie]

The British Lion

Nice one, Rog. The Bulldog Spirit of 'Winnie' kept the Brits going. He knew what to say and when to say it. The Battle of Britain in 1940 and Pearl Harbour a year later were the beginning of the end for Hitler.

Boxing note: Winston was a big boxing fan, and was in the audience in 1892 when Peter Jackson defeated Frank Slavin at the National Sporting Club. He made some sketches from ringside that, if memory serves, are still preserved in a British museum.

Winnie (like Rog) painted beautifully. He suffered from manic depression (he labelled it "black dog") and would paint most during the darker periods. It's eye-opening as to the range of people who are boxing fans here (presently): the likes of Nigel Kennedy (violinist), the Queen and Prince Phillip (My husband and I..."), Andy Murray (our latest tennis hope, seeded No. 3 at Wimbledon, which starts on Monday), Billy Connolly (famous Scottish comedian), etc.
When Connolly (to whom I am distantly related, believe it or not) did a televised world tour of Australia on his Harley, he paid homage to the grave of Les Darcy who, of course, died at the tragically young age of 21. An estimated 700,000 attended the funeral in 1917.

[kikibalt]

Rick...Didn't I give you a copy of The Cadilli Documentary?

Johnny Forbes was a top trainer in L.A. in the 1940s-50s with a big stable of fighters.

I'm going to nominate Johnny Forbes for WBHOF induction next year.
Frank, I wasn't aware you sent it to me. I'll look over what I have.


-Rick

I don't know if I did or not Rick....

[raylawpc]

A ROCK MADE OF CELLULOID

It's been a while. My son used to manage a restaurant in the Rodeo Drive area of Beverly Hills. I never went there. Maybe I should have. Everytime he'd come down to San Diego to visit,I'd always ask him if he saw any movie stars.

This was the time when Sylvester Stallone was goin' great guns with the Rocky movies. Like a lot of people,I enjoyed the first Rocky,but each sequel became more and more overblown. I just couldn't buy all that hype.

Well my son told me that one time between one of Stallone's marriages,he was sneaking around the back entrance of this restaurant trying to put the moves on one of the waitresses. Sly was becoming a pest. The waitress,instead of waiting on customers,was "sparring" in the kitchen with Rocky.

My son finally got tired of this "clinching" while on the clock and told Stallone he'd have to get out and not to come around again when this gal was on her shift.

My son said Stallone didn't put up a fuss.He never came back to the restaurant again. I know my son. He didn't care if it was Rocky Balboa or Rocky Marciano. If you crossed the line with him,he'd let you know to your face

Rog . . . Your son is a man. Stallone is crap, everybody in town is aware of it. Talented yes, but a breathing turd.

Sly's brother Frank is a big boxing fan. He's a member of the IBRO, and collects memorabilia related to Ad Wolgast. He has a number of interesting items.

A number of years ago, Frank and I carried on e-mail correspondence about turn of the century boxers. He is quite knowledgeable and, at least in e-mails, seemed like a really nice guy.

[kikibalt]

A ROCK MADE OF CELLULOID

It's been a while. My son used to manage a restaurant in the Rodeo Drive area of Beverly Hills. I never went there. Maybe I should have. Everytime he'd come down to San Diego to visit,I'd always ask him if he saw any movie stars.

This was the time when Sylvester Stallone was goin' great guns with the Rocky movies. Like a lot of people,I enjoyed the first Rocky,but each sequel became more and more overblown. I just couldn't buy all that hype.

Well my son told me that one time between one of Stallone's marriages,he was sneaking around the back entrance of this restaurant trying to put the moves on one of the waitresses. Sly was becoming a pest. The waitress,instead of waiting on customers,was "sparring" in the kitchen with Rocky.

My son finally got tired of this "clinching" while on the clock and told Stallone he'd have to get out and not to come around again when this gal was on her shift.

My son said Stallone didn't put up a fuss.He never came back to the restaurant again. I know my son. He didn't care if it was Rocky Balboa or Rocky Marciano. If you crossed the line with him,he'd let you know to your face

Rog . . . Your son is a man. Stallone is crap, everybody in town is aware of it. Talented yes, but a breathing turd.

Sly's brother Frank is a big boxing fan. He's a member of the IBRO, and collects memorabilia related to Ad Wolgast. He has a number of interesting items.

A number of years ago, Frank and I carried on e-mail correspondence about turn of the century boxers. He is quite knowledgeable and, at least in e-mails, seemed like a really nice guy.

Tom, a couple of photos of the boys with Frank Stallone at the 2006 CBHOF.


Frankie with Frank Stallone


Tony with Frank Stallone

[raylawpc]

Thanks Frank.

[Rick Farris]

Rick...Didn't I give you a copy of The Cadilli Documentary?

Johnny Forbes was a top trainer in L.A. in the 1940s-50s with a big stable of fighters.

I'm going to nominate Johnny Forbes for WBHOF induction next year.
Frank, I wasn't aware you sent it to me. I'll look over what I have.


-Rick

I don't know if I did or not Rick....

Frank . . . I heard of Johnny Forbes many years ago, but it was always in stories from the past. I never met the man.
However, this past year, much from this thread, I have been reintroduced to a guy by learning more about his great stable.
Today, I'll talk on the phone or in person with Vince Delgado, who was trained by Forbes, as was his uncle Carlos Chavez.
I hear about Mickey Northrup, of course Teran & Cadilli.
I mentioned to Vince that recently a few pages from KO Magazine were posted here featuring pics of himself for up coming fights.
I mentioned that in one they had another name other than Forbes listed as his trainer.
"Hell, that guy was never my trainer . . . Johnny Forbes was, and my uncle."

Sounds like Forbes was a great man.


-Rick Farris

[Dongee]

Rick:

Johnny Forbes was one of the most decent human beings I ever knew in the fight game.
He came to L.A. from Cleveland, where he had been associated in some way with Johnny Kilbane.The first fighter I remember being under his guidance was a prelim kid named Herb Turchi back in the mid-1920s.
I don't think Johnny ever saved a cent out of his boxing earnings because he gave it all away, to some of the kids under his direction. He was boxing's Robin Hood, in my opinion, and had a knack for teaching raw youngsters how to box, to battle, to overcome. He was a rarity in that he managed two California champions at the same time, the Chavez brothers, Carlos and Alfredo and he also developed a fine amateur named Cali Martinez, along with headliner Rudy Jordan.Johnny was dubbed "Senator" after running unsuccessfully for local office.

Long overdue

hap navarro

[kikibalt]

Rick...Didn't I give you a copy of The Cadilli Documentary?

Johnny Forbes was a top trainer in L.A. in the 1940s-50s with a big stable of fighters.

I'm going to nominate Johnny Forbes for WBHOF induction next year.
Frank, I wasn't aware you sent it to me. I'll look over what I have.


-Rick

I don't know if I did or not Rick....

Frank . . . I heard of Johnny Forbes many years ago, but it was always in stories from the past. I never met the man.
However, this past year, much from this thread, I have been reintroduced to a guy by learning more about his great stable.
Today, I'll talk on the phone or in person with Vince Delgado, who was trained by Forbes, as was his uncle Carlos Chavez.
I hear about Mickey Northrup, of course Teran & Cadilli.
I mentioned to Vince that recently a few pages from KO Magazine were posted here featuring pics of himself for up coming fights.
I mentioned that in one they had another name other than Forbes listed as his trainer.
"Hell, that guy was never my trainer . . . Johnny Forbes was, and my uncle."

Sounds like Forbes was a great man.


-Rick Farris

Rick...I didn't know Johnny Forbes well at all, would see him at the gyms, Main St and Teamsters. Two other real good fighters he develop were the Campos brothers, Frankie and Juan Luis.

Was Johnny Forbes a great trainer? I would say yes, all you have to do is see the boxers he develop to fine the answer to the question.

[Rick Farris]

Rick...I didn't know Johnny Forbes well at all, would see him at the gyms, Main St and Teamsters. Two other real good fighters he develop were the Campos brothers, Frankie and Juan Luis.

Was Johnny Forbes a great trainer? I would say yes, all you have to do is see the boxers he develop to fine the answer to the question.[
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That's the ultimate validation.
He took them from day one in an era where there was only ONE world champion, and eight weight divisions.
He had exceptional talent in his boxers, but it takes a great teacher to bring it out.
What he did worked, and it worked for many boxers.
I'm also aware of the Campos brothers.
Without a doubt, he will be nominated in the Posthumous catagory in 2010.


-Rick Farris

[Rick Farris]

Rick:

Johnny Forbes was one of the most decent human beings I ever knew in the fight game.
He came to L.A. from Cleveland, where he had been associated in some way with Johnny Kilbane.The first fighter I remember being under his guidance was a prelim kid named Herb Turchi back in the mid-1920s.
I don't think Johnny ever saved a cent out of his boxing earnings because he gave it all away, to some of the kids under his direction. He was boxing's Robin Hood, in my opinion, and had a knack for teaching raw youngsters how to box, to battle, to overcome. He was a rarity in that he managed two California champions at the same time, the Chavez brothers, Carlos and Alfredo and he also developed a fine amateur named Cali Martinez, along with headliner Rudy Jordan.Johnny was dubbed "Senator" after running unsuccessfully for local office.

Long overdue

hap navarro

Hap . . . Thanks for the great words on "The Senator" Johnny Forbes. Next year when I nominate Forbes for WBHOF induction, may I use the above words as a quote from you, as validation for my nomination of Johnny Forbes? Such fine words from a Hall of Famer should be repeated. Boxing's "Robin Hood", yes he was. I have heard the same from everybody.


-Rick Farris

[Dongee]

Of course, friend Rick. Feel free to do so.

saludos, amigo

hap navarro

[Dongee]

Of course, friend Rick. Feel free to do so.

saludos, amigo

hap navarro

[kikibalt]

[Rick Farris]

Frank . . . I remember this brewery, right off the 101 Freeway downtown at Alameda St. I also remember the Eastside Brewery which I believe was off North Main Street near Boyle Heights.


-Rick Farris

[kikibalt]

Frank . . . I remember this brewery, right off the 101 Freeway downtown at Alameda St. I also remember the Eastside Brewery which I believe was off North Main Street near Boyle Heights.


-Rick Farris

You have a good memory.....

[Rick Farris]

Frank . . . I remember this brewery, right off the 101 Freeway downtown at Alameda St. I also remember the Eastside Brewery which I believe was off North Main Street near Boyle Heights.


-Rick Farris

You have a good memory.....

Yeah, my long term memory serves me well.
But don't ask me what I did yesterday

[dagosd2000]

Mando Ramos

[kikibalt]

My grandson Anthony graduating today from University High in Irvine



Anthony with his mother(my daughter)




Anthony's sister Kalina(my grand daughter) and Amanda

Great lookin' family, Rog.

[scartissue]

A ROCK MADE OF CELLULOID


Sly's brother Frank is a big boxing fan. He's a member of the IBRO, and collects memorabilia related to Ad Wolgast. He has a number of interesting items.

A number of years ago, Frank and I carried on e-mail correspondence about turn of the century boxers. He is quite knowledgeable and, at least in e-mails, seemed like a really nice guy.

I met Frank Stallone a couple of years ago at the WBHF. He was coming there all the time and I too think he's a nice guy, interested in memorabilia and such. I was aware of his interest in Ad Wolgast and that he had the tag of historian about him. However, there was this point where he was holding court in front of a number of people including his Cuban girlfriend and he was naming all the great Cuban fighters. He was ticking them off and when he was finished I chimed in with, "Don't forget Jose Legra." He had no idea who I was talking about. But fair play to him, he didn't pretend to. He was honest when he looked at me and said, "I'm not familiar with him." It's funny how, when Castro came to power, banning pro boxing and following where all the Cubans ended up. Jose Napoles and Sugar Ramos headed to Mexico, Benny Paret and Jose Stable were off to New York, Luis Rodriguez and Doug Vaillant made Miami home, but Angel Robinson Garcia and Jose Legra headed for Europe. Garcia and Legra fought very often and must have earned a decent living with the amount of work they found but did seem to go unnoticed. Maybe I'm being a bit pretentious, but I figured if you're an historian you would know about Jose Legra, afterall, I was just a kid who read magazines and I knew him.

Scartissue

[Rick Farris]

Mando Ramos

Very nice, Roger.

[dagosd2000]

My grandson Anthony graduating today from University High in Irvine



Anthony with his mother(my daughter)




Anthony's sister Kalina(my grand daughter) and Amanda

Great lookin' family, Rog.

Thanks Frank
Anthony got a ride to the Art Institue for Film Making in San Francisco, He makes films now. He's definitely got a passion for creating movies.

[raylawpc]

My grandson Anthony graduating today from University High in Irvine



Anthony with his mother(my daughter)




Anthony's sister Kalina(my grand daughter) and Amanda

Great lookin' family, Rog.

Thanks Frank
Anthony got a ride to the Art Institue for Film Making in San Francisco, He makes films now. He's definitely got a passion for creating movies.

You need to introduce him to Rick.