5 fighters to beat Ali

[Robinson]

Let me sit and watch some of these fights and
I shall get back to you.

As 'boring' as they are, they are some what
difficult men to beat. Im no fans of theirs
but they would be a big mountain to conquer for
a lot of men past and present.

[raylawpc]

Don't watch them again on my account. You're not going to get me to change my mind anyway. I think Terrell would have beat both Ks.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Terrell had a very quick jab, and good footwork for a big man. Terrell would have outpointed both Ks. Maybe stopped them late when they ran out of gas.

- No he wouldn't. Fights wouldn't even be close. You must be confusing the Klitschkos with Gerhard Zech.

Terrell's too tall and skinny, a poor man's version of Bob Foster in the heavy division. He'd hold a cruiser belt today, but nothing in his record on his best run from 62 after his KO loss to Williams until his infamous 67 bout with Ali in the Astrodome suggests he would have the punch and athleticism to be more than a gnat to them.

BTW, early in the fight Terrell landed a half dozen flush rights on Ali, his best moments in the fight. Proof a tall fighter like the Klitschos with good right hands could do the same although don't think Ali's gonna go after them like he did the weaker Terrell.

The tiny Big Cat in the rematch with Terrell made himself tough enough to earn a split in Ernie's hometown in spite of Williams being a limited slugger with a modest chin. Beating Machen near the end of his career in your own hometown, beating Chuvalo and Doug Jones, they were sweet wins in the day. George but a fringe contender today and Jones a rusty leaking bucket by then a non player.

[Robinson]

Ray

Im just curious is all as I would like to sit down and do it. Its not like
I have much else to do this weekend.
Im interested to see your perspective is all.

[Friedie]

Call me crazy but I think Max Schmeling would have been a hard fight for Ali too.

In that computer-simulation-tournament back in the 60ties the fight Ali vs. Max was close and went over the full distance. Max would do better than Mildenberger in 1966 I guess ...and that was not such a bad performance by Mildenberger back then.

[raylawpc]

Terrell had a very quick jab, and good footwork for a big man. Terrell would have outpointed both Ks. Maybe stopped them late when they ran out of gas.

- No he wouldn't. Fights wouldn't even be close. You must be confusing the Klitschkos with Gerhard Zech.

Terrell's too tall and skinny, a poor man's version of Bob Foster in the heavy division. He'd hold a cruiser belt today, but nothing in his record on his best run from 62 after his KO loss to Williams until his infamous 67 bout with Ali in the Astrodome suggests he would have the punch and athleticism to be more than a gnat to them.

BTW, early in the fight Terrell landed a half dozen flush rights on Ali, his best moments in the fight. Proof a tall fighter like the Klitschos with good right hands could do the same although don't think Ali's gonna go after them like he did the weaker Terrell.

The tiny Big Cat in the rematch with Terrell made himself tough enough to earn a split in Ernie's hometown in spite of Williams being a limited slugger with a modest chin. Beating Machen near the end of his career in your own hometown, beating Chuvalo and Doug Jones, they were sweet wins in the day. George but a fringe contender today and Jones a rusty leaking bucket by then a non player.

No. I'm thinking about those K boys, whose grace and footwork compare with that of a pregnant water buffalo.

The fact that you call Cleveland Williams (6'3" - 200 to 230 pounds) "tiny," and a "limited slugger with a modest chin" seems to really sum up your knowledge of 50s and 60s boxing.

[HomicideHenry]

Call me crazy but I think Max Schmeling would have been a hard fight for Ali too.

In that computer-simulation-tournament back in the 60ties the fight Ali vs. Max was close and went over the full distance. Max would do better than Mildenberger in 1966 I guess ...and that was not such a bad performance by Mildenberger back then.

I got the whole 1967 NCR-315 Heavyweight tournament on dvd. Ali survived a knock down sometime during the fight, to win a decision over Schmeling. While I think a knock down is a little out of the question, the Ali of the 1964-1967 time frame never quite fought a tactician of such great skill as Schmeling, nor a great swarmer/brawler. It's in my opinion George Chuvalo was Ali's toughest opponent during his reign as champion---and Chuvalo was a notch or two under Max for sure. Ali would probably win it, but it would be closer than people would think, but thats just me.

Of all those old-time boxing champions, of the stylists, Charles, Walcott, Tunney, Johnson and Schmeling would have given him the toughest tests---Walcott was a prototype that Angelo Dundee based Ali after, he was an innovator, not a duplicator of moves---Charles is under-rated as a HW, and while I dont have Tunney in my top 10 or 15 HW list, he was skilled, quick and tough enough to have given Ali some fits---Johnson was a slugger, boxer, counter puncher, could do it all, could take a beating, and give it back, of all these old timers maybe its Johnson who would have had the best of luck against Ali.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Terrell had a very quick jab, and good footwork for a big man. Terrell would have outpointed both Ks. Maybe stopped them late when they ran out of gas.

- No he wouldn't. Fights wouldn't even be close. You must be confusing the Klitschkos with Gerhard Zech.

Terrell's too tall and skinny, a poor man's version of Bob Foster in the heavy division. He'd hold a cruiser belt today, but nothing in his record on his best run from 62 after his KO loss to Williams until his infamous 67 bout with Ali in the Astrodome suggests he would have the punch and athleticism to be more than a gnat to them.

BTW, early in the fight Terrell landed a half dozen flush rights on Ali, his best moments in the fight. Proof a tall fighter like the Klitschos with good right hands could do the same although don't think Ali's gonna go after them like he did the weaker Terrell.

The tiny Big Cat in the rematch with Terrell made himself tough enough to earn a split in Ernie's hometown in spite of Williams being a limited slugger with a modest chin. Beating Machen near the end of his career in your own hometown, beating Chuvalo and Doug Jones, they were sweet wins in the day. George but a fringe contender today and Jones a rusty leaking bucket by then a non player.

No. I'm thinking about those K boys, whose grace and footwork compare with that of a pregnant water buffalo.

The fact that you call Cleveland Williams (6'3" - 200 to 230 pounds) "tiny," and a "limited slugger with a modest chin" seems to really sum up your knowledge of 50s and 60s boxing.

Is he always like this? It's obvious his pathetic knowledge of the past is drawn from reading some sort of childrens book. Is there any sort of ignore feature on the board to avoid reading his drivel?

In my short time on the board I can tell that he will never post even a single sentence worth reading. Most Boxing idiots at least have a humor to them. This guy is just raw suck.

[raylawpc]

- No he wouldn't. Fights wouldn't even be close. You must be confusing the Klitschkos with Gerhard Zech.

Terrell's too tall and skinny, a poor man's version of Bob Foster in the heavy division. He'd hold a cruiser belt today, but nothing in his record on his best run from 62 after his KO loss to Williams until his infamous 67 bout with Ali in the Astrodome suggests he would have the punch and athleticism to be more than a gnat to them.

BTW, early in the fight Terrell landed a half dozen flush rights on Ali, his best moments in the fight. Proof a tall fighter like the Klitschos with good right hands could do the same although don't think Ali's gonna go after them like he did the weaker Terrell.

The tiny Big Cat in the rematch with Terrell made himself tough enough to earn a split in Ernie's hometown in spite of Williams being a limited slugger with a modest chin. Beating Machen near the end of his career in your own hometown, beating Chuvalo and Doug Jones, they were sweet wins in the day. George but a fringe contender today and Jones a rusty leaking bucket by then a non player.

No. I'm thinking about those K boys, whose grace and footwork compare with that of a pregnant water buffalo.

The fact that you call Cleveland Williams (6'3" - 200 to 230 pounds) "tiny," and a "limited slugger with a modest chin" seems to really sum up your knowledge of 50s and 60s boxing.

Is he always like this? It's obvious his pathetic knowledge of the past is drawn from reading some sort of childrens book. Is there any sort of ignore feature on the board to avoid reading his drivel?

In my short time on the board I can tell that he will never post even a single sentence worth reading. Most Boxing idiots at least have a humor to them. This guy is just raw suck.

I hope you are referring to Broughton, and not me!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No. I'm thinking about those K boys, whose grace and footwork compare with that of a pregnant water buffalo.

The fact that you call Cleveland Williams (6'3" - 200 to 230 pounds) "tiny," and a "limited slugger with a modest chin" seems to really sum up your knowledge of 50s and 60s boxing.[/quote]


Is he always like this? It's obvious his pathetic knowledge of the past is drawn from reading some sort of childrens book. Is there any sort of ignore feature on the board to avoid reading his drivel?

In my short time on the board I can tell that he will never post even a single sentence worth reading. Most Boxing idiots at least have a humor to them. This guy is just raw suck.[/quote]

I hope you are referring to Broughton, and not me![/quote]


Of course, I quoted you to pose the question. Is there an ignore feature? Though I must admit "the tiny big cat" has it's comedic value.

[raylawpc]

Yeah, he's about as funny as herpes and just as hard to get rid of.

There is an ignore function under the user control panel.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, he's about as funny as herpes and just as hard to get rid of.

There is an ignore function under the user control panel.

Thanks, though every post is so ridiculous someone is bound to quote it.

[raylawpc]

Yeah, he's about as funny as herpes and just as hard to get rid of.

There is an ignore function under the user control panel.

Thanks, though every post is so ridiculous someone is bound to quote it.

I hasten to add: The ignore feature isn't marked specifically as "ignore." To ignore somebody you put them on your list of "foes."

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, he's about as funny as herpes and just as hard to get rid of.

There is an ignore function under the user control panel.

Thanks, though every post is so ridiculous someone is bound to quote it.

I hasten to add: The ignore feature isn't marked specifically as "ignore." To ignore somebody you put them on your list of "foes."

Already done, I can't imagine I'm the first to find a spot for him on the ignore list. it's great for the sport to have new fans. But someone who started watching two years ago and forms opinions strictly from looking at results on the site is a waste of time.

[bjermaine]

i'd pick ali against all of these fighters but these 5 might give him trouble prime for prime.

larry holmes
evander holyfield
riddick bowe
lennox lewis
joe frazier, i know i'm cheating by listing him

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

No. I'm thinking about those K boys, whose grace and footwork compare with that of a pregnant water buffalo.

The fact that you call Cleveland Williams (6'3" - 200 to 230 pounds) "tiny," and a "limited slugger with a modest chin" seems to really sum up your knowledge of 50s and 60s boxing.

- Yeah, Tiny "Twinkletoes" Williams aka Cloppity-Clop Cleve, he was real handy with the footwork eh?

Williams was never over 215 until in his late 30s many years past his best. He got as low as 190 early in his career but most of his prime years spent in the 200-210 range.

Still in a hissy fit over me elevating Spinks, Moore, and Charles above your Burley and Williams, eh? Please do put me on ignore since you generally have more factual content in your shorts than you have for your opinion, plus you'll be able to better find your snuggle puppy, little Collie, yapping for attention.

[raylawpc]

No. I'm thinking about those K boys, whose grace and footwork compare with that of a pregnant water buffalo.

The fact that you call Cleveland Williams (6'3" - 200 to 230 pounds) "tiny," and a "limited slugger with a modest chin" seems to really sum up your knowledge of 50s and 60s boxing.

- Yeah, Tiny "Twinkletoes" Williams aka Cloppity-Clop Cleve, he was real handy with the footwork eh?

Williams was never over 215 until in his late 30s many years past his best. He got as low as 190 early in his career but most of his prime years spent in the 200-210 range.

Still in a hissy fit over me elevating Spinks, Moore, and Charles above your Burley and Williams, eh? Please do put me on ignore since you generally have more factual content in your shorts than you have for your opinion, plus you'll be able to better find your snuggle puppy, little Collie, yapping for attention.

No. 1: Saad didn't write that; I did.

No. 2: I never compared Williams footwork with the K boys; nobody did until just now.

No. 3: I haven't discussed Burley with you.

No. 4: I don't put people on ignore anymore.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

No. 1: Saad didn't write that; I did.

No. 2: I never compared Williams footwork with the K boys; nobody did until just now.

No. 3: I haven't discussed Burley with you.

No. 4: I don't put people on ignore anymore.

- Then Saad screwed up the quote function like he'll be screwing up the ignore feature and you screwed up the size of Williams.

[dempseyfire]

Yeah, he's about as funny as herpes and just as hard to get rid of.

There is an ignore function under the user control panel.

Thanks, though every post is so ridiculous someone is bound to quote it.

That and the fact I usually come on here without logging in first makes the ignore function not really work as intended for me.

Terrell was twice the fighter and had three times the speed of the gangly Tony Thompson who gave Klitschko a tough scrap. Terrell's jabs would make Wlad's face puffier than the Stay-Puff Marshmellow man. Terrell vs Ali at 215 was about as ripped with muscle as you'd want a fighter to be . . .but yes, to BRR the guy is just a skinny little weakling who maybe holds a cruiser belt today . . ..the man is ignorance personified.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

LOL, I just did the same. Oh well, easy enough to just not read his worthless novels.