Mr. Peterkin,
I am on the east coast and I know that I can beat your son as I have been watching him for a while. I don't think that has enough strength to be in the ring with me. He is too generous and I would take advantage of his generousity. He has a lot to learn in his youthfulness and I would teach him a lesson. Mr. Peterkin, I don't mean to get you stirred up as I am just joking. I really like your son's demeanor as he is very unorthodoxed and determined. He will be one to watch in the years to come in both amateur and professional. Take care and be blessed. Ron Simms
hbomb2 wrote:Mr. Peterkin,
I am on the east coast and I know that I can beat your son as I have been watching him for a while. I don't think that has enough strength to be in the ring with me. He is too generous and I would take advantage of his generousity. He has a lot to learn in his youthfulness and I would teach him a lesson. Mr. Peterkin, I don't mean to get you stirred up as I am just joking. I really like your son's demeanor as he is very unorthodoxed and determined. He will be one to watch in the years to come in both amateur and professional. Take care and be blessed. Ron Simms
Big Dog Ron Simms. See this is why I conduct myself correctly because you never know who you come across on here. Ron Simms is One Cool Dude and I am honored to know this man, who was a top amateur boxer in the 1980's. I remember. He is a man you always want on your team. Thanks Big Ron. Dennis, you are correct. Trav is only 18 and he still has time. Good luck to Jordan and his team in Italy. There are so other kids in amateur boxing who worked so hard. Its a long list. I also realize its not hard to piss someone off in amateur boxing. If I did.........I apoligize .
Hey Ron. It was nice talking to you on Saturday. I hope you take our young team to victory in Italy. Mr. Peterkin is correct that you are a good guy to have as part of the USA team. Jordan is training hard for this trip.
Stay tuned, Kolya. You are watching USAB melt down - interesting, isn't it? I wonder how much more it will take before the USOC steps in and takes over. If anyone is interested, I can post the emails that have been bouncing back and forth this week.
boxmel wrote:Stay tuned, Kolya. You are watching USAB melt down - interesting, isn't it? I wonder how much more it will take before the USOC steps in and takes over. If anyone is interested, I can post the emails that have been bouncing back and forth this week.
Mel did you log into the conference call? I didn't as I was not too interested in what I figured was goind to be a big B**ch session. From what I hear the board is clearly divided with Tom on one side and Frank on the other. They need to come together and move forward. I don't see how living in the past is going to help. Yeah, there have been problems for years. Who cares? The thing that is important is figuring out what is going to work in the future and what the USOC will approve because it is quite obvious that USAB has needed and will continue to need help financially from the USOC and others to survive.
Dennis - the LBC conference call with Frank is at 6 p.m. EDT on Sunday - if you're available you can still catch it (if you don't mind listing to the BS) - I'll be at a local show and unable to dial in. The last I heard is that Virgets is now going to assess each LBC $2000, but doesn't say what for or how it will be used. The predominent thought by the current BOD idiots is that USAB should run separate from the USOC. Good idea, if we don't want to be an Olympic sport any more. The current group running USAB is, in my opinion, totally disfunctional.
What I found most amusing in the BOD's email, Mel, was the following:
It all comes down to whom you trust:
If you believe Dr. Filiberto is the person to lead amateur boxing, then break away from USAB, start a new organization and partition the USOC to become the National Governing Body of Amateur Boxing.
If you believe that the collective minds of the USAB Board of Directors are the best persons to lead amateur boxing, then work with us to find the solutions to overcoming this crisis.
That last bit gets me. These are the people who got us into this mess, why would we think that they're the people to lead us out of it? In all my time in USA Boxing it's been one crisis or another. The only bright spot has been Andre Ward in 2004.
boxmel wrote:Dennis - the LBC conference call with Frank is at 6 p.m. EDT on Sunday - if you're available you can still catch it (if you don't mind listing to the BS) - I'll be at a local show and unable to dial in. The last I heard is that Virgets is now going to assess each LBC $2000, but doesn't say what for or how it will be used. The predominent thought by the current BOD idiots is that USAB should run separate from the USOC. Good idea, if we don't want to be an Olympic sport any more. The current group running USAB is, in my opinion, totally disfunctional.
There was a conference call today that was run by Tom Virgets. I only caught the last 10 minutes so I missed most of what was said. John Brown is going to run one next Tuesday at 1200 EDT. Frank is having his sumday evening. Frank is the only BOD member going outside of what the BOD wants. It was Frank's idea for the $2000 for each LBC to help USAB get solvent not Tom's. Mel, most of what you are saying is wrong when you say the board wants this and that. It is Frank running with those ideas and John B. does not agree with him. He wants everybody to wait for the meeting that USAB is having with the USOC and the Foundation in 3 weeks. If things don't work out, then he is prepared to side with Frank. Most of the crap being spread by the email rumors is just that crap.
Kolya wrote:What I found most amusing in the BOD's email, Mel, was the following:
It all comes down to whom you trust:
If you believe Dr. Filiberto is the person to lead amateur boxing, then break away from USAB, start a new organization and partition the USOC to become the National Governing Body of Amateur Boxing.
If you believe that the collective minds of the USAB Board of Directors are the best persons to lead amateur boxing, then work with us to find the solutions to overcoming this crisis.
That last bit gets me. These are the people who got us into this mess, why would we think that they're the people to lead us out of it? In all my time in USA Boxing it's been one crisis or another. The only bright spot has been Andre Ward in 2004.
Many of the problems USAB got into was because of Millman and Jim Scher from the USOC. Both have been fired rightfully so. Tom V has had some good meetings with the USOC and the Foundation. I think things will eventually get worked out if people can just be patient. I am as frustrated as anybody and have been with USAB for 32 years. I want us back to where we belong in the Olympics and LBC levels. We are like a alcoholic that has to hit rock bottom before we get help and I think we have finally hit the bottom. It will take some time but we will get well. I am not for what Frank is proposing. It will not help USAB at all. We will cease being a NGB and then the USOC will come in but only to work with the elite boxers but without LBC's, you don't have elite boxers. Golden Gloves, PAL, NCBA do not want to be the NGB so what happens if people do what Frank wants? It can't work.
Thanks for the comments, Jim. I posted before I saw the email about the, now, three conference calls and that Filiberto proposed the $2000 per LBC. I think John Brown will see what way the wind is blowing and bend with the stongest wind. For years he has been anti USOC and has stated the best policy for USAB is to not be under the USOC's umbrella. I really think it's time for the USOC to take over.
Most of the crap being spread by the email rumors is just that crap.
Are you making this statement about the emails that have been sent by John Brown, Frank Filiberto and Tom Virgets?
i just wanna know is usab gonna make sure the kids matter? will there be better judging? i wish we can judge the judges. but all in all, maybe we do need a change. anything for the better sounds good, i guess.
i just wanna know is usab gonna make sure the kids matter? will there be better judging? i wish we can judge the judges. but all in all, maybe we do need a change. anything for the better sounds good, i guess.
Any changes of magnitude will not impact the officiating. Why don't YOU become an official and work toward making a difference?
i just wanna know is usab gonna make sure the kids matter? will there be better judging? i wish we can judge the judges. but all in all, maybe we do need a change. anything for the better sounds good, i guess.
Any changes of magnitude will not impact the officiating. Why don't YOU become an official and work toward making a difference?
boxmel wrote:Thanks for the comments, Jim. I posted before I saw the email about the, now, three conference calls and that Filiberto proposed the $2000 per LBC. I think John Brown will see what way the wind is blowing and bend with the stongest wind. For years he has been anti USOC and has stated the best policy for USAB is to not be under the USOC's umbrella. I really think it's time for the USOC to take over.
Most of the crap being spread by the email rumors is just that crap.
Are you making this statement about the emails that have been sent by John Brown, Frank Filiberto and Tom Virgets?
Mel the USOC taking over really won't solve anything. They will have to start a separate organization to be the NGB for boxing as the USCO can't be the NGB. As JMac correctly stated, the group members including the Golden Gloves do not want to become the NGB. The USOC too has had its own problems so I'm not sure that really is the solution. The majority of the USAB BOD wants to right the ship and get it moving again. They realize that they need the USOC's help and that the immediate past CEO wasn't running the organization properly. USAB needs to learn from its mistakes and move forward. The thing I like is they are very concerned with working with the elite boxers' personal coaches in a concerted effort to do well internationally. If the USA National team starts doing well many past sins will soon be forgotten. A handful of medals 2012 would really help to move the organization and the sport forward in the U.S. Success breeds success.
Anybody who really has a problem with the current officiating should become an official. Once you step into their shoes and walk a mile in their shoes, you will soon realize it is not as easy as it looks. You will have a new found appreciation for their efforts and will be thanking them for all the work they do and do it as volunteers. Yes, I am a volunteer too, but I thank the officials and I try not to do anything to ever make their lives miserable. We need the officials and our sport can't function without them. Remember that the next time you criticize them! I have never berated an official and I don't plan to ever start either.
The majority of the USAB BOD wants to right the ship and get it moving again. They realize that they need the USOC's help and that the immediate past CEO wasn't running the organization properly. USAB needs to learn from its mistakes and move forward.
The majority of the BOD are the same people who have helped engineer the spiraling descent of USAB into the current mess. A very few astute people recognize the fact that we can't operate as a NGB separate from the USOC, however the majority, including John Brown and Filiberto, want to see that very act happen. I would say the reason the immediate past CEO wasn't running the organization properly is because the BOD allowed that to happen. The role of the CEO and staff is to support the BOD, not dictate to. Millman changed our rules to where a recent arbitrator stated they are useless - we have no grievance procedure any more - and the BOD allowed Millman that leeway. In the 22 years I've been around, I've not seen USAB learn from most of its mistakes. The same people keep that continual downward spiral going.
Mel the USOC taking over really won't solve anything. They will have to start a separate organization to be the NGB for boxing
I know this, Dennis, and I would like to see the USOC reorganize USAB.
The majority of the USAB BOD wants to right the ship and get it moving again. They realize that they need the USOC's help and that the immediate past CEO wasn't running the organization properly. USAB needs to learn from its mistakes and move forward.
The majority of the BOD are the same people who have helped engineer the spiraling descent of USAB into the current mess. A very few astute people recognize the fact that we can't operate as a NGB separate from the USOC, however the majority, including John Brown and Filiberto, want to see that very act happen. I would say the reason the immediate past CEO wasn't running the organization properly is because the BOD allowed that to happen. The role of the CEO and staff is to support the BOD, not dictate to. Millman changed our rules to where a recent arbitrator stated they are useless - we have no grievance procedure any more - and the BOD allowed Millman that leeway. In the 22 years I've been around, I've not seen USAB learn from most of its mistakes. The same people keep that continual downward spiral going.
Not true Mel. When Millman came on board and started spending money like a drunking sailor on payday, the BOD tried to real him in but Jim Sher the CEO of the USOC spanked the BOD and told them to let Millman do his job. Then the USOC did a audit of USAB and found out how much money Millman pissed away, the USOC spanked the BOD again for not keeping tab on Millman. They were damned if they do, damned if they don't. Then Sher got fired and some reasonable people are in charge of the USOC and Tom V has had some good meetings with them as well as the Foundation who were not fans of Millman. So again Frank is the only BOD member that wants to break away from the USOC which is not a good idea. As I said before, it will take some time to right the ship but give them the time. It has been a combination of a bad CEO for both USAB and the USOC at the same time that help screw up USAB. They are both gone now so hopefully it can only get better because it can only get worse if the majority of USAB try and split from the USOC go on their own.
I'm relatively new on the scene, and as such, am trying to avoid adding any fuel to the controversy.
That said, I do have a question, and it's a legitimate question, I think. I don't have an opinion on this issue at this point because I'm not sure I understand all of the ramifications, which I'm hoping someone could clarify for me:
I've heard plenty of people (whose opinions I respect) say that it's bad for us to not be a NGB (National Governing Body) for boxing. But... since it appears that the USOC is largely focused on olympic level elite athletes, and the majority of USAB occurs at the local LBC level, do we have a conflict of goals? As part of that, what are the pros and cons of keeping/losing USOC/NGB recognition in the context of those goals?
Consider this admittedly flawed analogy -- the NCAA handles amateur basketball, and does so successfully. At the same time, I don't believe they are involved with selecting the US Olympic Basketball team (or did so before the professional players started going to the olympics) and that hasn't hurt college basketball at all. Is that what boxing would be like if USAB was disassociated with the USOC? And if so, is that good or bad?
what are the pros and cons of keeping/losing USOC/NGB recognition in the context of those goals?
The USOC is the NOG (National Organizing Committee) for ALL Olympic sports in the U.S. If USA Boxing was to disassociate itself from the USOC, we would no longer be an Olympic sport and our boxers could only participate in domestic events. We would also lose needed funding and sponsorships.
Slythex wrote:I'm relatively new on the scene, and as such, am trying to avoid adding any fuel to the controversy.
That said, I do have a question, and it's a legitimate question, I think. I don't have an opinion on this issue at this point because I'm not sure I understand all of the ramifications, which I'm hoping someone could clarify for me:
I've heard plenty of people (whose opinions I respect) say that it's bad for us to not be a NGB (National Governing Body) for boxing. But... since it appears that the USOC is largely focused on olympic level elite athletes, and the majority of USAB occurs at the local LBC level, do we have a conflict of goals? As part of that, what are the pros and cons of keeping/losing USOC/NGB recognition in the context of those goals?
Consider this admittedly flawed analogy -- the NCAA handles amateur basketball, and does so successfully. At the same time, I don't believe they are involved with selecting the US Olympic Basketball team (or did so before the professional players started going to the olympics) and that hasn't hurt college basketball at all. Is that what boxing would be like if USAB was disassociated with the USOC? And if so, is that good or bad?
NCAA handles collegiate basketball, not amateur basketball. There are many organizations that have different leagues of play for amateurs. However, USA Basketball is the NGB for the Olympic Team.
Slythex wrote:I'm relatively new on the scene, and as such, am trying to avoid adding any fuel to the controversy.
That said, I do have a question, and it's a legitimate question, I think. I don't have an opinion on this issue at this point because I'm not sure I understand all of the ramifications, which I'm hoping someone could clarify for me:
I've heard plenty of people (whose opinions I respect) say that it's bad for us to not be a NGB (National Governing Body) for boxing. But... since it appears that the USOC is largely focused on olympic level elite athletes, and the majority of USAB occurs at the local LBC level, do we have a conflict of goals? As part of that, what are the pros and cons of keeping/losing USOC/NGB recognition in the context of those goals?
Consider this admittedly flawed analogy -- the NCAA handles amateur basketball, and does so successfully. At the same time, I don't believe they are involved with selecting the US Olympic Basketball team (or did so before the professional players started going to the olympics) and that hasn't hurt college basketball at all. Is that what boxing would be like if USAB was disassociated with the USOC? And if so, is that good or bad?
We already have amateur boxing organizations that run boxing programs and do not want to be the NGB, including the Golden Gloves and PAL. We need the NGB.
USA Boxing has a lot of work to do and less paid workers to do it. In the past they had amateur boxing rankings, but with the current turmoil in Colorado Springs it may be awhile before they get them posted again. There are other things that are more important for them to worry about right now:
1. Find a new CEO.
2. Find a Director of Coaching (maybe this really isn't needed as using volunteers may be the way to go until their fiscal problems are solved).
3. Solve the current financial crisis.
4. Get sponsors - start small if they have to and do what the USOC is doing and get "in kind" donations. Don't sell your soul to the devil to get one big sponsor (don't put all of your eggs in one basket).
5. Get sponsors for the USA National Championships including television. Make it profitable. There is no reason the attendance isn't much better and that it should at least break even.
6. Work out a better financial arrangement with the USOC. The USOC wants and needs a boxing NGB so they should help pay some of the operating costs.
7. Keep moving forward with programs to get boxing back into schools and do other things to increase membership numbers. If the membership numbers increase, it will ease the financial problems. The gym where I coach registers 150-200 members per year. If every gym did that, the total membership would be 225,000 - 300,000 instead of the current 38,000 or so.
He has a lot to learn in his youthfulness and I would teach him a lesson. Mr. Peterkin, I don't mean to get you stirred up as I am just joking. I really like your son's demeanor as he is very unorthodoxed and determined. He will be one to watch in the years to come in both amateur and professional. Take care and be blessed. Ron Simms
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