British Top 30 P4P July 2009

[Horse]

Another cracking thread. Incredible climbdown over Calzaghe. Horse you have gone down in my estimation. After all your hyperbole in the previous month's about why you are leaving him in you are now taking him out in 6 weeks time? Outlandish.

It has always been my plan to take him out at either the start of the new boxing season or after 12 months of inactivity. So, I have not climbed down on this issue.

"I think it could be said that Olusegun is more British than Afolabi."

Apart from the fact one is Nigerian and one is actually British you mean?

Olusegun holds the British title and has fought almost all of his fights in Britain. I think it could be said that Olusegun is more British than Afolabi, as far as boxing is concerned anyway.

Olusegun has fought the vast majority of his fights in Britain, holds the British title and might also have a British passport himself. So, as far as boxing is concerned Olusegun acts more like a British fighter than Afolabi.

[Dioufy]

[alexpaterson]

I'd have Murray and Barker higher they are both pushing to become on the world scene and are looking very good in the process but good list keep it up Horsey

[Horse]

I'd have Murray and Barker higher they are both pushing to become on the world scene and are looking very good in the process but good list keep it up Horsey

They both have good potential, but I would like to see them prove it against their top domestic rivals (Thaxton and Macklin) before I move them up into the top half of the rankings. I hope the big fights come off for them, so they can prove their abilities.

[slapbangwhallop]

Dunne and Froch are the only current world title holders!

So why is Froch at 3 and Dunne at 7?

[Horse]

Dunne and Froch are the only current world title holders!

So why is Froch at 3 and Dunne at 7?

Calzaghe and Hatton are more established at the top level than Froch, so I kept those two above him.

Dunne has only recently won his interim title, so I decided to keep Woods and Witter above him as they have only lost their world titles within the last 15 months, before that they were established as strong world title holders.

Both Froch and Dunne can climb up a place or two if their next defence is against someone decent.

[stujones]

How did Witter establish himself as a strong world title holder. What did he make, 2 defences?

[slapbangwhallop]

Dunne and Froch are the only current world title holders!

So why is Froch at 3 and Dunne at 7?

Calzaghe and Hatton are more established at the top level than Froch, so I kept those two above him.

Dunne has only recently won his interim title, so I decided to keep Woods and Witter above him as they have only lost their world titles within the last 15 months, before that they were established as strong world title holders.

Both Froch and Dunne can climb up a place or two if their next defence is against someone decent.

Dunne doesnt hold the interim title Poonswat Kratdingdangym does!

Use anti-Irish bias on the list!

Actually its no "anti-Irish" per se - its just ignorance of these boxers really!

[Horse]

How did Witter establish himself as a strong world title holder. What did he make, 2 defences?

He beat Harris, who was rated highly at the time, to establish himself as a worthy champion. His reign may not have been massively impressive or long, but Witter was ranked as the number two fighter in the division after his Harris win, which would suggest that he was a strong champion.

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Do horses often have poo in their eyes?

[Horse]

Dunne doesnt hold the interim title Poonswat Kratdingdangym does!

It was the WBA interim title when he won it. Now he is the regular champion, but he is still not the main WBA champion, Caballero is.

Use anti-Irish bias on the list!

Actually its no "anti-Irish" per se - its just ignorance of these boxers really!

Just because I do not rate some Irish fighters as highly as you do, it does not make me anti-Irish.

[Horse]

Do horses often have poo in their eyes?

I wouldn't think so.

[Dioufy]

Dunne doesnt hold the interim title Poonswat Kratdingdangym does!

It was the WBA interim title when he won it. Now he is the regular champion, but he is still not the main WBA champion, Caballero is.

Precisely.

[slapbangwhallop]

Dunne doesnt hold the interim title Poonswat Kratdingdangym does!

It was the WBA interim title when he won it. Now he is the regular champion, but he is still not the main WBA champion, Caballero is.

Use anti-Irish bias on the list!

Actually its no "anti-Irish" per se - its just ignorance of these boxers really!

Just because I do not rate some Irish fighters as highly as you do, it does not make me anti-Irish.

wrong - it wasnt the interim he won. The WBA vacated the regular title when Caballero won the super title. Dunne won the regular title, Then Poonsawat won the interim. Dunne very held the interim. Get yer facts right before you start talking shíte!

Like I said - you dont rate them because of your ignorance of the fighters. Until very recently you barely had one Irish fighter in the top 30.

[Horse]

wrong - it wasnt the interim he won. The WBA vacated the regular title when Caballero won the super title. Dunne won the regular title, Then Poonsawat won the interim. Dunne very held the interim. Get yer facts right before you start talking shíte!

It doesn't really matter what the WBA call his belt, he is not the proper WBA champion, let alone the true champion of the division.

Whether Dunne is the interim champion or the full champion, his record is not as good as Woods and Witter's records, so let us not play up the importance of the exact name of his title.

Like I said - you dont rate them because of your ignorance of the fighters. Until very recently you barely had one Irish fighter in the top 30.

Dunne and Duddy have been in the list every month since September 2007, and there have been many other Irish fighters in and out of the list before and since then.

[Londonirish]

it does not make me anti-Irish.

Horse are you anti-Irish

[Horse]

Horse are you anti-Irish

Most certainly not, I am part Irish myself.

[winkveron]

I think John Murray should be a bit higher. Judging by some of the people above him. For example Kevin Mitchell 10 places above him?

[slapbangwhallop]

wrong - it wasnt the interim he won. The WBA vacated the regular title when Caballero won the super title. Dunne won the regular title, Then Poonsawat won the interim. Dunne very held the interim. Get yer facts right before you start talking shíte!

It doesn't really matter what the WBA call his belt, he is not the proper WBA champion, let alone the true champion of the division.

Whether Dunne is the interim champion or the full champion, his record is not as good as Woods and Witter's records, so let us not play up the importance of the exact name of his title.

Is that your why of saying sorry I was wrong?

Anyway - like I have always said - you consistantly under estimate Irish fighters in this list.

[slapbangwhallop]

Horse are you anti-Irish

Most certainly not, I am part Irish myself.

the "some of my best friends are black" defense! ;)

[Horse]

I think John Murray should be a bit higher. Judging by some of the people above him. For example Kevin Mitchell 10 places above him?

That does seem to be too much, based on recent results. Mitchell seems to have got his best wins at the right time, and managed to avoid falling down as much as a fighter in that position normally would. Hopefully this can be corrected soon.

Is that your why of saying sorry I was wrong?

Anyway - like I have always said - you consistantly under estimate Irish fighters in this list.

It does seem like I made a mistake, although I don't feel sorry for making a minor mistake like that.

I feel that you over estimate Irish fighters and think they should be ranked higher than they should be. The only Irish fighter that I think is significantly lower than he should be is Paul McCloskey.

the "some of my best friends are black" defense! ;)

Something like that.