Hatton & Cakes

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

The same tendency that people had for Gazza and George Best. Knowing full well what they were doing, but accepting it due to their "Popularity".

I really dont think there is any comparison between Gaza, Best and Hatton, being drunk on TV twice a year is a long, long way from what Gaza and Besty were up to. (knocking their wifes about, drinking alone in bed etc)

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

I suppose it depends on what you want really doesn't it? Do you want a load of boring bastards who live like monks or do you want people who live like normal people and actually give the sport a profile?

Too much is put on the "role model" aspect, at the end of the day sportsmen/women are doing a job and quite frankly how they live their lives outside of the sport is none of our business.

well quite, except with footballers and boxers, where 90% of the population know whats best for them and think its abhorrent that they should go out and do exactly the same things they probably do every weekend.

Rugby Union players however are lauded for being drunken oafs


thats the class system, that is

[whiskey]

Spud,

I agree thats its not the lifestyle that he should lead, being a pro fighter etc etc.

My point is, he has what - maybe one fight left? it's all a bit late in the day for criticising him now on a subject that we have known for a long time.

I dont think he's a martyr for how to live your life from a healthy point of view, but he aint running over old people in his Range Rover, hiding coke in his garden, molesting beauty queens in a hotel room or attacking staff in a Spanish brothel.

Only last week, another pro from this country was arrested and charged with attempted murder with a hammer or summat.

He gets drunk and a little fat inbetween fights and suddenly there is bloodshed on the forums

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Spud,

I agree thats its not the lifestyle that he should lead, being a pro fighter etc etc.

My point is, he has what - maybe one fight left? it's all a bit late in the day for criticising him now on a subject that we have known for a long time.

I dont think he's a martyr for how to live your life from a healthy point of view, but he aint running over old people in his Range Rover, hiding coke in his garden, molesting beauty queens in a hotel room or attacking staff in a Spanish brothel.

Only last week, another pro from this country was arrested and charged with attempted murder with a hammer or summat.

He gets drunk and a little fat inbetween fights and suddenly there is bloodshed on the forums

excellent post, ill treat you to a choc-ice, if ever we meet.


Bernard Hopkins is a real pro fighters should all be like him

whats that you say? he was stabbing and mugging people at 13 and got sent down for armed robbery (amongst other things)? well yeah, but at least he doesn't get fat between fights!

[bigjack]

ummm, so you are all outraged that Ricky Hatton has ballooned up between fights?

Would agree here - Hatton just looks like Hatton to me.

I think people are writing him off WAY to quickly.... I would be more concerned had the fight gone as I expected, a gruel KO in 8 to 10 rounds. He took 4 or 5 big shots, got KO'd. That shouldn't have taken alot physically from him.

No but it will mentally.

[whiskey]

Bernard Hopkins is a real pro fighters should all be like him

whats that you say? he was stabbing and mugging people at 13 and got sent down for armed robbery (amongst other things)? well yeah, but at least he doesn't get fat between fights!

True, although i dont think he was a bad person deep down, just down to circumstances where he ended up as a youth. Then again we can say that about a lot of fighters who end up in the poo.

But your right, he is a freak of a pro and despite perhaps not having physical gifts like others in the game, he has learned to maximise what he has and to sustain it with an incredible regimen.

I read his only vice was the odd bag of popcorn and that he was in bed for 9pm most nights apart from when he was ringside or participating.

[Spud]

Spud,

I agree thats its not the lifestyle that he should lead, being a pro fighter etc etc.

My point is, he has what - maybe one fight left? it's all a bit late in the day for criticising him now on a subject that we have known for a long time.

I dont think he's a martyr for how to live your life from a healthy point of view, but he aint running over old people in his Range Rover, hiding coke in his garden, molesting beauty queens in a hotel room or attacking staff in a Spanish brothel.

Only last week, another pro from this country was arrested and charged with attempted murder with a hammer or summat.

He gets drunk and a little fat inbetween fights and suddenly there is bloodshed on the forums

A good post Gomez - and to be honest in the normal sort of life Hatton is doing nothing wrong - but - he s a professional boxer and he is one who is very good and he is also a person who wants to be known and respected as a great - and to put a simplistic view on things - his life style means he will never ever be that.

His achievements are fantastic in regards to boxers coming from this country - but then you mention Hatton in "a world great" terms - I honestly think his lifestyle has put paid to that.

[TerribleTerry]

A good post Gomez - and to be honest in the normal sort of life Hatton is doing nothing wrong - but - he s a professional boxer and he is one who is very good and he is also a person who wants to be known and respected as a great - and to put a simplistic view on things - his life style means he will never ever be that.

His achievements are fantastic in regards to boxers coming from this country - but then you mention Hatton in "a world great" terms - I honestly think his lifestyle has put paid to that.

This is all very interesting* Spud but where were these 'sobering' words of warning, these stark reminders of the detrimental affects of excessive alcohol intake and a high calorie diet on athletic performance, during the time that you were part of the Hatton 'inner circle'? (oohh err missus)

What has changed recently to make you realise that Hatton is throwing his career, talent and chance of greatness away?... He has always been the same as far as I can tell.

All that has changed (from my perspective) is that you are no longer on the payroll.

Did you ever raise these concerns with Ricky directly or were you too busy enjoying your ride on the gravy train to voice dissent?

Maybe I am wrong. Is there more to this than there appears to me on the surface Spud?



















* it's not really very interesting at all

(just remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery KG, before you throw your stripper shoes at me in a Bangkok style hissy fit!)

[oliverfennell]

At least he is not up his own arse.

But he refers to himself in the third person on occasion! Rage, rage, gnash, gnash.

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

A good post Gomez - and to be honest in the normal sort of life Hatton is doing nothing wrong - but - he s a professional boxer and he is one who is very good and he is also a person who wants to be known and respected as a great - and to put a simplistic view on things - his life style means he will never ever be that.

His achievements are fantastic in regards to boxers coming from this country - but then you mention Hatton in "a world great" terms - I honestly think his lifestyle has put paid to that.

This is all very interesting* Spud but where were these 'sobering' words of warning, these stark reminders of the detrimental affects of excessive alcohol intake and a high calorie diet on athletic performance, during the time that you were part of the Hatton 'inner circle'? (oohh err missus)

What has changed recently to make you realise that Hatton is throwing his career, talent and chance of greatness away?... He has always been the same as far as I can tell.

All that has changed (from my perspective) is that you are no longer on the payroll.

Did you ever raise these concerns with Ricky directly or were you too busy enjoying your ride on the gravy train to voice dissent?

Maybe I am wrong. Is there more to this than there appears to me on the surface Spud?



















* it's not really very interesting at all

(just remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery KG, before you throw your stripper shoes at me in a Bangkok style hissy fit!)

Excellent work Terry, i can see i am no longer needed here!

[Spud]

This is all very interesting* Spud but where were these 'sobering' words of warning, these stark reminders of the detrimental affects of excessive alcohol intake and a high calorie diet on athletic performance, during the time that you were part of the Hatton 'inner circle'? (oohh err missus)

What has changed recently to make you realise that Hatton is throwing his career, talent and chance of greatness away?... He has always been the same as far as I can tell.

All that has changed (from my perspective) is that you are no longer on the payroll.

Did you ever raise these concerns with Ricky directly or were you too busy enjoying your ride on the gravy train to voice dissent?

Maybe I am wrong. Is there more to this than there appears to me on the surface Spud?

Terry,

Whether you are correct or not concerning your assumptions about me - its clearly not relevant when discussing Ricky Hatton's diet - its a rather shallow argument to deflect things onto me when we are discussing Ricky Hatton - you have written on this thread, why dont you answer properly the subject matter in hand?

But I will amuse you - No I clearly did not voice my concerns about Ricky Hatton when you state I was on the payroll - although I was never on any Ricky Hatton payroll - seen as you are seem to continually be - I will also be pedantic by stating it was Fight Academy I had an association with - but back to your question - Terry I will answer by stating - would you go into your boss and state - I think you have a problem with your diet and you drink too much? - no you wouldnt and nor would anyone else - you would use your common sense by waiting for the correct opportunity as you would not want to lose your job and in this case - I worked on a massive Hatton fight in Sheffield, worked on a show in Monte Carlo where is brother fought and then went to Las Vegas twice - why on earth would I criticise Ricky Hatton to jeopordise those trips? - I will further qualify that by stating we all work with people all the time that we could criticise in some way - however sometimes we button it as it would be foolish to do otherwise.

For the record - and if you read this thread and read my posts - I have stated I believe Hatton's achievements as a British boxer are very good indeed and the money he has earned is fantastic - but like a lot of boxers, Hatton will tell you he wants to be remembered as a ring legend and what I am stating is due to his diet, that has severly hampered his ambition in my view - there has been many occasions I have stuck up for Ricky Hatton and I would do so again in the right context.

However after viewing Ricky Hatton's interview on camera again - bearing in mind the manner of his defeat against Pacman - and in addition a possibility of him coming back to fight at "world level" - do you think it prudent for Hatton to be in the condition he is in now?

[DavidPayne]

Crickey Spud. That made sense.

[mickey1975]

Bernard Hopkins is a real pro fighters should all be like him

whats that you say? he was stabbing and mugging people at 13 and got sent down for armed robbery (amongst other things)? well yeah, but at least he doesn't get fat between fights!

True, although i dont think he was a bad person deep down, just down to circumstances where he ended up as a youth. Then again we can say that about a lot of fighters who end up in the poo.

But your right, he is a freak of a pro and despite perhaps not having physical gifts like others in the game, he has learned to maximise what he has and to sustain it with an incredible regimen.

I read his only vice was the odd bag of popcorn and that he was in bed for 9pm most nights apart from when he was ringside or participating.

people who have trained alongside bernard in the wildcard gym say he was a complete arsehole,as opposed to the other superstar and pros who were great

[n1ebf]

I can't watch a single video on this website. 5 seconds of footage takes around 25 seconds to play. Does this apply to others?
Not only on my PC but others with high speed internet connection supposedly...? was wanting to watch the thread piece and also the stand up piece but have had to abandon it.....what were some of the highlights.....That Mike Tyson eh lol, if you found him in bed with yer missus...

seriously though, does it play normally on your PC?

[banjo]

I suppose it depends on what you want really doesn't it? Do you want a load of boring bastards who live like monks or do you want people who live like normal people and actually give the sport a profile?

Too much is put on the "role model" aspect, at the end of the day sportsmen/women are doing a job and quite frankly how they live their lives outside of the sport is none of our business.

well quite, except with footballers and boxers, where 90% of the population know whats best for them and think its abhorrent that they should go out and do exactly the same things they probably do every weekend.

Rugby Union players however are lauded for being drunken oafs


thats the class system, that is

Hypocritical is what it is, we always get people who come out with "No f*cker is telling me what to do or how to live my life" and then the same person is saying it's wrong how so and so lives his life. F*ck me you only get one chance on this rock so why not make the most of it.

[Deserter]

This is all very interesting* Spud but where were these 'sobering' words of warning, these stark reminders of the detrimental affects of excessive alcohol intake and a high calorie diet on athletic performance, during the time that you were part of the Hatton 'inner circle'? (oohh err missus)

What has changed recently to make you realise that Hatton is throwing his career, talent and chance of greatness away?... He has always been the same as far as I can tell.

All that has changed (from my perspective) is that you are no longer on the payroll.

Did you ever raise these concerns with Ricky directly or were you too busy enjoying your ride on the gravy train to voice dissent?

Maybe I am wrong. Is there more to this than there appears to me on the surface Spud?

Terry,

Whether you are correct or not concerning your assumptions about me - its clearly not relevant when discussing Ricky Hatton's diet - its a rather shallow argument to deflect things onto me when we are discussing Ricky Hatton - you have written on this thread, why dont you answer properly the subject matter in hand?

But I will amuse you - No I clearly did not voice my concerns about Ricky Hatton when you state I was on the payroll - although I was never on any Ricky Hatton payroll - seen as you are seem to continually be - I will also be pedantic by stating it was Fight Academy I had an association with - but back to your question - Terry I will answer by stating - would you go into your boss and state - I think you have a problem with your diet and you drink too much? - no you wouldnt and nor would anyone else - you would use your common sense by waiting for the correct opportunity as you would not want to lose your job and in this case - I worked on a massive Hatton fight in Sheffield, worked on a show in Monte Carlo where is brother fought and then went to Las Vegas twice - why on earth would I criticise Ricky Hatton to jeopordise those trips? - I will further qualify that by stating we all work with people all the time that we could criticise in some way - however sometimes we button it as it would be foolish to do otherwise.

For the record - and if you read this thread and read my posts - I have stated I believe Hatton's achievements as a British boxer are very good indeed and the money he has earned is fantastic - but like a lot of boxers, Hatton will tell you he wants to be remembered as a ring legend and what I am stating is due to his diet, that has severly hampered his ambition in my view - there has been many occasions I have stuck up for Ricky Hatton and I would do so again in the right context.

However after viewing Ricky Hatton's interview on camera again - bearing in mind the manner of his defeat against Pacman - and in addition a possibility of him coming back to fight at "world level" - do you think it prudent for Hatton to be in the condition he is in now?

A lot of good/fair points in there.

[Carbo]

Stop Press: British Man Spotted Tipsy in Public, Appears Overweight.

Well, fancy that.

The propensity of the British public to sanctimoniously judge others never ceases to amaze me.

This seems to take it to a new level, though: Ricky Hatton, history’s worst monster for gaining weight and enjoying a drink, as judged by the heaviest drinking and fattest population in Western Europe.

It might be detrimental to his image as a professional promoter, and of course it isn’t going to do his athletic prowess any good, but it’s certainly not a “disgrace”.

The man clearly likes a drink, and struggles to keep anywhere near his lean weight, but he hasn’t committed any crimes, doesn’t conduct himself in a manner that brings shame down upon him in the way, say, Oliver Reed or George Best did, so really, since we live in a society which enshrines personal liberty, isn’t he free to make his own choices?

Like I said, Britain is one of the heaviest drinking nations in the world, and is certainly one of the fattest, so Ricky isn’t exactly an outlier. But of course, when it comes to celebrities, we somehow expect them to be beyond the temptations of us mere mortals, and since they’re in the public eye, they somehow must magically convert to a life of privation and abstinence.

It’s preposterous and hypocritical.

[Shirow]

Yes but he's a professional sportsman who people pay to see perform first. If you expect people to pay to support you i think the supporters can expect you to try your best which means preparing the best.

I don't care that much because i'm not a Hatton (or any other boxer's) fanboy and his shortcomings limit his own glory but if he's done well enough for himself to be happy with that compromise fair enough.

[Carbo]

Yes but he's a professional sportsman who people pay to see perform first. If you expect people to pay to support you i think the supporters can expect you to try your best which means preparing the best.

When has Hatton not entered the ring in good shape? You pay to see him perform. How he prepares for that is up to him. If that preperation leads to a poor performance, then he has a case to answer. But I don't think that any one who has ever been to one of his fights complains much about Hatton's level or the entertainment he provides.

Ricky Hatton: History's worst monstor

[Shirow]

He's always in good shape but that's led people to suggest that his training camps are for this sole purpose and that's why his skills haven't improved as he's moved up to top class.
Pacquiao gets a little pudgy between fights but his training camps are all about improving skills and getting in top condition and not dropping 25% of his body weight.

History's worst monster? Is there no middle ground? Lack of universal fawning worship isn't the same as condemnation you know.

[J]

I suppose it depends on what you want really doesn't it? Do you want a load of boring bastards who live like monks or do you want people who live like normal people and actually give the sport a profile?

Too much is put on the "role model" aspect, at the end of the day sportsmen/women are doing a job and quite frankly how they live their lives outside of the sport is none of our business.

well quite, except with footballers and boxers, where 90% of the population know whats best for them and think its abhorrent that they should go out and do exactly the same things they probably do every weekend.

Rugby Union players however are lauded for being drunken oafs


thats the class system, that is

Hypocritical is what it is, we always get people who come out with "No f*cker is telling me what to do or how to live my life" and then the same person is saying it's wrong how so and so lives his life. F*ck me you only get one chance on this rock so why not make the most of it.

PRO RUGBY PLAYERS? Utter nonsense its no different to a boxers life in its own way, when they are playing or training they live the life or they dont get picked simple as that.

In fact rugby is more stringent than boxing truth be known.
Ask Richard Cockerill (sacked by woodward), ask Matt Stevens (banned for two years world wide cant even pick a ball up in training not just a few months in a certain state), Ask Michael Lipman, Alex Crockett, Andrew higgins. Possibly all banned for two years as well pending. Ask Danny cipriani who got dropped not for drinking but for being out late 2 days prior to a game. Ask lote tuquiri recently booted out of the aussie squad for ill discipline and toldnot to come back, cancelled contract end of.

You are talking utter shite Banjo/ KG sorry. Got fornicate all to do with class system thats a real "chip on the shoulder" bullshit thing to say.

You think no working class lads play rugby then? Stupid comment by someone id expect to be a football fan. (god help us that is one sport that really makes my fornicating toes curl, wanna talk about lack of sporting professionalism i suggest you look there first).

You think Martin Johnson / Or Woodward would have put up with the guys in the world cup winning team getting pissed at innapproriate times you are fuckin mental .

There are times to do it and times not to, same in most sports you lot just make out that boxing is different Ive got news for you, it isnt.

Not these days and not for about 20 or so years.

[Dioufy]

I concede that in past fights Hatton ballooning up between fights was a problem, but manageable. But that was before he systematically got his head weaved into the canvas, twice. Remember, he was a whole heap younger then with that burning desire that helped him get to 10st. I can't see Hatton fighting again. I can't see how he can replicate that kind of motivation knowing that training non-stop could still see him knocked out in a few rounds. In my opinion, it has been detrimental to his career ballooning up so much this time. In five years I can see him weighing 16st, easily. And psychologically, he must be feckered. It's a shame he will go out with a horrific KO.

[Spud]

I am severly p*ssed off - Deserter and Payne agreed with my previous post - that concerns me and it certainly wasn't my intention.

[bigjack]

From the interview below it seems Ricky has had a few fried breakfasts and a couple of cream cakes too many - yet he claims he has been back in the gym!!!

Click the link below:

Ricky Hatton interview!!

I know he likes puddings,he made enough WBU defences against them.

[Deserter]

I am severly p*ssed off - Deserter and Payne agreed with my previous post - that concerns me and it certainly wasn't my intention.

Don't worry, I'm sure 'normal service' will be resumed shortly