Margarito - Santos

TheGoods · Post by **TheGoods** » 08 Sep 2004, 18:02

Antonio Margarito looks MONSTER value at 4/6 to beat Daniel Santos this weekend (Blue Sq). Margarito has impressed me greatly over the last few years while I have never had much time for Santos. The Puerto Rican has become a bit of a non-puncher while Margarito has one of the best jaws in the game and is relentless going forward. Don't miss out on this one lads. It's a mortgage job.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 08 Sep 2004, 19:08

There are some cracking fights going on stateside this weekend that have been overlooked somewhat. Pinto vs Cotto could be a craker, but I think this one might be even better.

Santos for me is one for the underated fighter in the other thread - he is still yet to reach his peak. However, I do believe he is a Light Welter who is trying to cash in on the glory devision - his chin is a major worry.

Whilst I have never seen him in a fight in which he is not hurt at some point, he always finds a way to recover and is a very good boxer. Margarito is one for the overated section IMO, I don't think he has fought the names to be considered as highly as most experts do.

However, styles makes fights and I just think Margarito's fast starts might prove to much for Santos - who usually takes 3-4 rounds to get going. I can see Margarito getting to him and stopping him on his fight at around the 5-6 mark.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 08 Sep 2004, 21:07

Margarito has looked superb recently, he also has an unheralded win over Sergio Martinez. Didn't Santos get shook up by Neil Sinclair?

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 09 Sep 2004, 03:53

Margarito is the miost under-rated fighter in the world and is a darkhorse to upset anyone from 147-160, yes 160. He has a terrific jaw, relentless punch throwing and can bang, and as a Mexican the heart of a lion.

I'd say Santos is good enough to extend him but Margarito will catch up with a tiring Santos and stop him in the 9-11.

Margarito would beat Spinks too.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 09 Sep 2004, 04:48

DavidPayne wrote:Margarito is the miost under-rated fighter in the world and is a darkhorse to upset anyone from 147-160, yes 160. He has a terrific jaw, relentless punch throwing and can bang, and as a Mexican the heart of a lion.

I'd say Santos is good enough to extend him but Margarito will catch up with a tiring Santos and stop him in the 9-11.

Margarito would beat Spinks too.

Spot on. The first paragraph states exactly why he'll continue to have trouble securing a fight with one of the big two at welter. IMO, he'll have to eventually move up to light-middle just to get some decent fights.

I'd pick him to beat Judah, as well as Spinks.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 09 Sep 2004, 04:52

I'd pick him to knock Judah into another funny walk. No way Judah deals with what Margarito brings to the ring. No way. He eats him up and spits him out.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Sep 2004, 06:08

I just think its still early to be prediting such big things for Magarito. I admit that win over Martinez looks a bit tasty now, but his other best wins (Diaz and Lewis) were against faded fighters. His struggle with Diaz was a classic contest, but I don't think Spinks would have struggled like that.

Magarito has the style and also the punch to beat Judah and Santos (both of whom are chinny) but I think the stylish, rocked chinned, boxers like Winky, Spinks and Oscar would outbox him. Remember Diaz was winning the contest at the time of the stoppage, he can get outboxed.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 09 Sep 2004, 06:14

Winky Wright and Oscar are obvious favourites in a fight with Margarito.

But for a fighter who gets very little coverage - I'd say he had major chances in both contests were they made.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 09 Sep 2004, 11:18

Yeah I couldn't resist and took some of those odds on Margarito too.
Only trouble is it's in Santos backyard, and he's not too worried about a safety first win.
But the Mexican is a threshing machine, and has a good punch on him too.
I can't see Santos keeping out of the way for all 12 rounds -
Margarito TKO 8

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 09 Sep 2004, 11:31

Got to be Margarito for me. The guys a little ungainly but this doesn't detract from the viewing. He's a smashing puncher. Really beats his opposition up.

I don't think it will be coincidence that another lanky puncher will chew Santos up and stop him again, like Kofi Jantua did.

Great match-up.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 09 Sep 2004, 11:32

Did anoyone see Margarito against martinez who beat up williams and stone. in that fight margarito nearly bounched martinez head of the roof with a uppercut. Margarito against wright would be goood if he blows out santos.

E · Post by E » 10 Sep 2004, 10:16

boxing news is going for Santos.....

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Sep 2004, 10:17

Boxing News is late...... again. At my newsagent anyway.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 10 Sep 2004, 10:19

i had boxing news in my hands at 5am while sorting it for a round. haye - thompson on the front

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 10 Sep 2004, 10:22

It's in the shops in London. They've gone for -

Santos ( in the minority there..)
Cotto
Takaloo

.......and Bennie's gone for Haye, with the headline "Whoever lands first"

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 10 Sep 2004, 10:47

MightyWarrior wrote:It's in the shops in London. They've gone for -

Santos ( in the minority there..)
Cotto
Takaloo

.......and Bennie's gone for Haye, with the headline "Whoever lands first"

Glad to see they used it.

Do you know who Houston has gone for with Margarito-Santos, MW?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 10 Sep 2004, 10:56

bennie wrote: Do you know who Houston has gone for with Margarito-Santos, MW?

No, I don't think BM previewed it ( does he still write for FLASH as well? )
I see the whole of maxboxing has gone for the Mexican, but the bookies make Santos favorite - hard to call, but I think Margarito gets it right.

E · Post by E » 10 Sep 2004, 12:37

MightyWarrior wrote:
bennie wrote: Do you know who Houston has gone for with Margarito-Santos, MW?
No, I don't think BM previewed it ( does he still write for FLASH as well? )
I see the whole of maxboxing has gone for the Mexican, but the bookies make Santos favorite - hard to call, but I think Margarito gets it right.

Santos is not the favourite in any of the bookies I have looked at?

Check http://www.bet365.com/home/default.asp

Margarito is a 2-1 on favourite. Other bookies are similar....

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 11 Sep 2004, 12:30

I don't think this is a sure thing, and you punters should be careful. 2/3 is 2/3 for a reason. You have to take into account, how does margarito travel? how will he approach the fight, will he think he needs a knockout? How will this affect his gameplan, his mindset? From what I remember seeing of santos, the guy is pretty useful.

Also, six heads lewis made margarito look a total fool in the first round of their fight, he was boxing antonio's head off (admittedly before he got destroyed). Margarito is kind of awkward and oafish and in my view is likely to stop santos but not a dead cert to outbox him convincingly over 12, at least not in front of santos's hometown judges. he may be robbed.

be wary. i still may have a punt however.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 11 Sep 2004, 23:12

I saw Rodney Jones outbox the pants off of Margarito when Antonio was only 18 yrs old.
Though Daniel is a good boxer, I don’t think Santos has the chin to last the whole 12 rds.
Antonio has to win big no matter how U look at it because the fight is in Puerto Rico.

BTW, Now that Winky’s the undisputed recognized champ, Jones has taken over as the 154's most avoided fighter. He has only lost once on a majority decision to Harry Simon in the last ten years. It’s funny that even though he is the NABF Light Middleweight Titlist, he is only ranked 15th in the WBC.

I hope Antonio will give Rodney the first shot if/when he wins the WBO title

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 12 Sep 2004, 04:01

TheGoods wrote:Don't miss out on this one lads. It's a mortgage job.

Need a place to stay Goods?

You can kip on my couch.

TheGoods · Post by **TheGoods** » 12 Sep 2004, 05:56

steve689 wrote:
TheGoods wrote:Don't miss out on this one lads. It's a mortgage job.
Need a place to stay Goods? You can kip on my couch.

lol. SHOCKING weekend on the punting front. Still reeling from Haye losing to Thompson and then this! My own fault though. Should have layed some off on the Santos points win given where the fight was taking place. Hindsight a wonderful thing. By all accounts Margarito was unlucky but am not sure it was a complete stitch up by the judges.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 12 Sep 2004, 06:11

DAMMIT! I ended up clearing my online account on something I never felt quite comfortable betting on. what an idiot.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 12 Sep 2004, 07:09

Boxing News got it right, then. Santos just a bit too smart for the rugged Margarito.

E · Post by E » 12 Sep 2004, 09:25

bennie wrote:Boxing News got it right, then. Santos just a bit too smart for the rugged Margarito.

Yes good call - I put on a few quid (well token fiver) on Santos after the boxing news preview...but then after this thread I was convinced I had made a serious error.....

I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the result, Margarito has looked good recently and did destroy Sergio Martinez, but Santos is one of those underated types.....

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