WTF is this? Leave out the IBF champ, and throw in some Middleweights? It's a good idea, but you have to have the 3 main champs involved. Not only that but most people, (including Boxrec) have Bute ahead of Kessler let alone Taylor, Dirrell and Ward. Ward? Really? I'd put Andrade in there before Ward or Dirrell. You want a battle for the best SMW? Start with Froch, Bute and Kessler. Crowds in Nottingham, Montreal and Denmark will be livelier than anywhere in the US any day.diggler wrote:just on boxing scene and seen this would b great if it come off and could pave the way for other weight classes to do something similar would be amazed if everything comes off heres wat the shecdule will look like if it happens
Arthur Abraham vs. Jermain Taylor in October in Germany
Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell in October in the UK.
Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward in November.
Arthur Abraham vs. Andre Dirrell in America in January 2010
Mikkel Kessler vs. Carl Froch in Europe in March 2010
Andre Ward vs. Jermain Taylor in America in April/May 2010
Andre Dirrell vs. Andre Ward in America in September 2010
Arthur Abraham vs. Carl Froch in November 2010, with Mikkel Kessler vs. Jermain Taylor taking place around the same time.
then the four with the most points will face in a semi final then a final
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I'd spontaneously combust with excitement if these lot got confirmed, somebody make this sh!t happendiggler wrote:just on boxing scene and seen this would b great if it come off and could pave the way for other weight classes to do something similar would be amazed if everything comes off heres wat the shecdule will look like if it happens
Arthur Abraham vs. Jermain Taylor in October in Germany
Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell in October in the UK.
Mikkel Kessler vs. Andre Ward in November.
Arthur Abraham vs. Andre Dirrell in America in January 2010
Mikkel Kessler vs. Carl Froch in Europe in March 2010
Andre Ward vs. Jermain Taylor in America in April/May 2010
Andre Dirrell vs. Andre Ward in America in September 2010
Arthur Abraham vs. Carl Froch in November 2010, with Mikkel Kessler vs. Jermain Taylor taking place around the same time.
then the four with the most points will face in a semi final then a final
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looks like its happening prees confrence the 13th at msg to annouce it this should be good
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Bloody hell, it's official.
http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=20925
Abraham, Froch and Kessler taking part. I am VERY happy about this.![[icon_notworthy.gif] :bow:](./images/smilies/icon_notworthy.gif)
http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=20925
Abraham, Froch and Kessler taking part. I am VERY happy about this.
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I don't think I have been more excited about any other event in the 7 years I've been following boxing. Would of been better with Bute in there but god damn if this comes off I will cream my pants in joy!
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It's a bit much to ask of Froch to beat allcomers in this tournament, but if he did... Joe who?
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Neil Jones Jnr
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I can see lots and lots of problems. injuries, early knock outs, Pavlik moving up in weight and being the biggest earner for all. Bute not being might hurt the legitamcy of it being for the best super middle.
But blimey, this would be fantastic for the sport....
Excited for this press conference now. Will Froch and Kessler have to drop their belts? Surely because they wont be able to fight a madatory for two years
Really excited, Kessler has to be the favourite
But blimey, this would be fantastic for the sport....
Excited for this press conference now. Will Froch and Kessler have to drop their belts? Surely because they wont be able to fight a madatory for two years
Really excited, Kessler has to be the favourite
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There were conflicting reports, that Bute's team balked at the format, and that Bute was outraged at being overlooked.
It seems the main obstacle before was Kessler being with Pallet. Sauerland bought out his contract, thankfully.
It seems the main obstacle before was Kessler being with Pallet. Sauerland bought out his contract, thankfully.
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abraham has vacated his ibf belt for the tournamenmt id make him second favorate behind kessler
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Autobarn wrote:There were conflicting reports, that Bute's team balked at the format, and that Bute was outraged at being overlooked.
It seems the main obstacle before was Kessler being with Pallet. Sauerland bought out his contract, thankfully.
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Sauerland having Abraham and Kessler, with big fights guaranteed, at super middle.
Kind of beats the Ottke/Beyer era, doesn't it?
Kind of beats the Ottke/Beyer era, doesn't it?
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hitman_hatton1
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great news.
just unlucky for froch that he's got dirrell first up.
that's a shite first opponent.
just about the worst one to pick out of a hat.
least we get a chance to shut up some of the froch huggers on here come october.
just unlucky for froch that he's got dirrell first up.
that's a shite first opponent.
just about the worst one to pick out of a hat.
least we get a chance to shut up some of the froch huggers on here come october.
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This is EXACTLY WHAT BOXING NEEDS. Huge, huge props to the promoters and Showtime for making this happen. Someone there obviously has a real vision and love for the sport.
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lirva
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It's hilarious but if Froch wins this he will have achieved more and be more well known than Calzaghe! Brilliant!charlieb wrote:It's a bit much to ask of Froch to beat allcomers in this tournament, but if he did... Joe who?
When you consider that Abraham isn't the best technically and was relying on his power and strength at 160, now coming up to 168, Froch can beat him.
Kessler has done nothing more than lose a close fight to Calzaghe. Froch can do him with pressure.
Dirrell can be done also.
It's not impossible for Froch to rule the 168 division.
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It's an incredible blend of styles we have.
Personally I think Abraham may struggle a bit as he is shorter and relies a lot on his physical supremacy at 160lb - he'll be up against 6'1 Froch, Taylor, Ward and Kessler and I think Southpaw Dirrel is 6'2 - and they can all jab extremely well on their day. Kessler, Taylor and Ward especially are very jab happy.
At the end of the day though, Arthur may win the whole lot. That's the beauty of it all, apart from Taylor, everyone has an unbeaten record.
Infact, Taylor may well end up winning it - he has the skills and against the other fighters who rely on skill like Ward, he may have their number.
I wonder who has the best chin and the best power in the bunch?
Ward and Dirrell have both been dropped i believe already. Taylor has been crunched twice. Froch sat on his arse against Taylor.
I'd say Froch and Abraham are perhaps the most resilient. Froch was down off a shot that bounced off the top of his head while he was ducking forward with both feet together, otherwise he has took some real humdingers that would have put a khan-type to the graveyard. And Abraham, well he fought with a broken jaw against Miranda didn't he.
Kessler is probably the best blend of power, skill, speed and fitness - and his right hand is now fully healed. But he was rocked by Sartison by a rather innocuous shot in the opening rounds of their fight and something tells me he dont like getting hit. He switched right off against Calzaghe by the midpoint (maybe his pain killers wore off?) and was buzzed with a head and body shot. Maybe he is too pretty and i think a fighter like Froch could be his Achilles - and vice versa !
Great time for boxing - just what we needed i say ! 8)
Personally I think Abraham may struggle a bit as he is shorter and relies a lot on his physical supremacy at 160lb - he'll be up against 6'1 Froch, Taylor, Ward and Kessler and I think Southpaw Dirrel is 6'2 - and they can all jab extremely well on their day. Kessler, Taylor and Ward especially are very jab happy.
At the end of the day though, Arthur may win the whole lot. That's the beauty of it all, apart from Taylor, everyone has an unbeaten record.
Infact, Taylor may well end up winning it - he has the skills and against the other fighters who rely on skill like Ward, he may have their number.
I wonder who has the best chin and the best power in the bunch?
Ward and Dirrell have both been dropped i believe already. Taylor has been crunched twice. Froch sat on his arse against Taylor.
I'd say Froch and Abraham are perhaps the most resilient. Froch was down off a shot that bounced off the top of his head while he was ducking forward with both feet together, otherwise he has took some real humdingers that would have put a khan-type to the graveyard. And Abraham, well he fought with a broken jaw against Miranda didn't he.
Kessler is probably the best blend of power, skill, speed and fitness - and his right hand is now fully healed. But he was rocked by Sartison by a rather innocuous shot in the opening rounds of their fight and something tells me he dont like getting hit. He switched right off against Calzaghe by the midpoint (maybe his pain killers wore off?) and was buzzed with a head and body shot. Maybe he is too pretty and i think a fighter like Froch could be his Achilles - and vice versa !
Great time for boxing - just what we needed i say ! 8)
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Just a thought, we know Kessler has npow resolved his promotional stance..
But the WBA have just called for him to defend against his mandatory, Gusmyl Perdomo.
Now either Mikkel vacates or does not compete...
But the WBA have just called for him to defend against his mandatory, Gusmyl Perdomo.
Now either Mikkel vacates or does not compete...
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The same at Welterweight would be the best ever thing in boxing:
Cotto
Pacman
Mayweather
JMM
Mosely
Berto
Cotto
Pacman
Mayweather
JMM
Mosely
Berto
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the welters bore the shit out of me. cotto and clottey gassing vs each other - blah!
going back to the biggest fight ever ever - de la hoya running for his life in the entire final third of the fight, shamelessly, while tito plods after him. i hate it when magazines and websites ramblew on about "another classic welterweight era." the welters, to me, are disappointing. only fight that really satisfied me was mosley-DLH 1.
going back to the biggest fight ever ever - de la hoya running for his life in the entire final third of the fight, shamelessly, while tito plods after him. i hate it when magazines and websites ramblew on about "another classic welterweight era." the welters, to me, are disappointing. only fight that really satisfied me was mosley-DLH 1.
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they've planned it out so kessler can get his mandority out the way 1st
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Their reluctance to face off against each other pisses me too.Autobarn wrote:the welters bore the poop out of me. cotto and clottey gassing vs each other - blah!
going back to the biggest fight ever ever - de la hoya running for his life in the entire final third of the fight, shamelessly, while tito plods after him. i hate it when magazines and websites ramblew on about "another classic welterweight era." the welters, to me, are disappointing. only fight that really satisfied me was mosley-DLH 1.
Mayweather v Margarito, Mosley etc.
Berto currently has the best belt, despite fighting nobody within the division. I dare say Collazo beat him too.
Cotto is the only one to do it and i think that it's more the case that Arum don't give a crap about him - hence his loyalty to Margarito to Cotto's disgust, then the catchweight fight for Cotto against Pacman (if it happens).
I see Cotto leaving Arum soon for GBP. Especially if the rumours are true.
Back to the 168lb division - they seem to have a depth of exciting, formidable talent, each with a desire to prove themselves (except Bute, whom despite his talent seems to prefer taking the gate money at the Bell Centre for the minimum risk in my opinion rather than step out and command the best fights).
Fighters who are willing to fight the best - such as Barrera etc will never have to buy a beer should they ever fall on hard times on account of the respect folk hold for warriors. Money is temporary whereas history is permanent.
A good example is Riddick Bowe, a decent fighter yet avoided Lewis big time and here is, selling autographed gloves at a car boots sale last month:-

He says he is broke. Well Tyson hasn't had a dime for years and i bet he's never bought a drink, hotel room, club entry or flight ticket for years because of what he gave the sport. Tyson is probably the reason all of us got into boxing. He certainly got the hairs standing up on the back of my neck when he was in his prime. Wheras Riddick Bowe will be remembered for dumping the world title in the trash can rather than face Lewis and not his epic Holyfield unification fight.
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Cotto vs Margarito was a very good fight. Mosley vs Margarito was really good in the sense that Mosley completed defied the odds.Autobarn wrote:the welters bore the poop out of me. cotto and clottey gassing vs each other - blah!
going back to the biggest fight ever ever - de la hoya running for his life in the entire final third of the fight, shamelessly, while tito plods after him. i hate it when magazines and websites ramblew on about "another classic welterweight era." the welters, to me, are disappointing. only fight that really satisfied me was mosley-DLH 1.
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Kessler lost to Calzaghe. ;;-)G0mez wrote:At the end of the day though, Arthur may win the whole lot. That's the beauty of it all, apart from Taylor, everyone has an unbeaten record.
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I recall Kessler lost to someone. However, already my memory is starting to recede of this conqueror. What was his name, Cash-zzzzzzz-something? Did he have an eventful career, this guy? Did he have a big knockout punch? Is it worth seeking out DVDs of this guy, or shall I save my money?
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Watch Calzaghe vs Mitchell and Calzaghe vs Kessler. Good fights, imo.Autobarn wrote:I recall Kessler lost to someone. However, already my memory is starting to recede of this conqueror. What was his name, Cash-zzzzzzz-something? Did he have an eventful career, this guy? Did he have a big knockout punch? Is it worth seeking out DVDs of this guy, or shall I save my money?
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superpunchout
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Don't like the idea of this tournament one little bit. Would much rather see a round robin between Froch, Kessler, Abraham and Bute.