Sorry Rob, for once I was caught with my pants down (No camera)....Boxingnut wrote:Any pics Frank? Would love to see them if so.kikibalt wrote:Had lunch with the guys and gals of the Golden State Boxers Association, Don Fraser, Bobby Chacon, his friend Rosie and Danny Valdez, the former California Featherweight Champion were there et.al., Danny's friend Freddie Rios had a b'day, Elsa Montalvo, President Larry Montalvo wife brought Freddie a cake, we all had a great time singing Happy birthday to Freddie.
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Drumming up support for community arts
Activists work to find ways to save youths through art.

The mural at Avenue 61 and Figueroa Street in Highland Park was recently vandalized, presumably by young taggers. Artists are halfway through restoring it.
(Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times)
Steve Lopez
It's nasty hot at the corner of Avenue 61 and Figueroa.
John Densmore, the drummer from the Doors, stands in the shade of his wide-brimmed hat, gazing at a damaged 120-foot mural with several other men. One of them is Luis Rodriguez, a local author who believes in his heart that L.A. and its lost boys can be saved by art.
Efforts to promote community art.It was Densmore, a Santa Monica resident, who initiated this little confab in Highland Park. When we first spoke by phone, he told me about how he had helped fund the mural project more than 10 years ago, so naturally, he was disappointed by its recent desecration.
Local artists had worked several months to complete the colorful tribute to their history, going all the way back to the Aztecs. The mural was dedicated to their friend Daniel Robles, a victim of gang violence in 1995, and in a neighborhood awash in graffiti, it had been sacred ground, respected and untouched by taggers all these years.
Until about two months ago.
"I got a call from Jaime [Ochoa], and he said, 'Guess what,' " said Anthony Ortega, one of the original artists along with Ochoa.
"It was like a whole bomb" of graffiti, said Ochoa.
The markings appeared to be the work of taggers rather than gang members, the men said. It was probably kids who either didn't understand their own history or didn't care. Ortega, Ochoa and others weren't about to surrender the wall to young vandals, though. They immediately went to work restoring the original mural and are about halfway done.
"Diego Rivera would be proud," Densmore said of the original work, still clearly visible though washed out in some areas.
Densmore has given quietly to local arts and culture over the years, telling me that he was inspired in part by hearing John Lennon talk about tithing.
"But I'm not going to give it to religious organizations," he said, saying he could think of no better charity than those that help build a stronger sense of community.
The drummer, you may remember, is the Doors member who resisted use of the legendary band's music in commercials, saying it "was not for rent." When he heard about the vandalism of the mural, Densmore saw an opportunity, so he invited Rodriguez to join us and share the outline of an ambitious plan to steer youngsters, like those taggers, into something constructive.
The Densmore-Rodriguez connection?
Rodriguez runs Tia Chucha's, a Sylmar bookstore and cultural center, and one of his biggest supporters and funders is Densmore. Rodriguez's most celebrated book, "Always Running," was the compelling tale of his descent into gang life and his escape from it, so he speaks with authority on the subject of wayward youth and how to rein them in.
At the mural, Rodriquez handed me his five-page proposal for a Comprehensive Neighborhood Arts Project. It calls for artists to band together, and for politicians and community leaders to use
new funding sources, such as a tax on tourism and billboard revenues, to support citywide art, music and cultural projects.
Sponsors and participants would include colleges, businesses, nonprofits and good citizens. Public and private spaces would become art centers, the Summer Lights program at rec centers would take undisciplined taggers and try to turn them into real artists with a little more respect for both art and their neighborhood.
The initiative raises a fair, if inconvenient, question:
How can a global entertainment and arts center like Los Angeles offer so little in the way of creative opportunities to its people?
"Over the past year, the city has lost resources, cultural spaces, independent bookstores and murals in its extremely diverse and far-flung neighborhoods," the initiative reads.
"There are now whole communities without bookstores, art galleries or movie houses. We have to expand our imagination about the arts and how it can cultivate, renew and regenerate our economically and culturally strapped communities."
Rodriguez and several others are spending the summer rounding up supporters and tinkering with the specifics of the proposal, trying to convince leaders that although times are tough, an all-out embrace of cultural education and arts enrichment can better the quality of life and help prevent crime. One politician who's already on board is Rodriguez's brother-in-law, L.A. City Councilman Tony Cardenas.
"Arts programs and extracurricular activities are being decimated more in this year than in any year I remember," said Cardenas, referring primarily to school district cutbacks that include the elimination of summer school.
Cardenas recently introduced an ordinance that would put a 1% tax on billboard revenues to help pay for new arts programs, and it would also make some digital and traditional billboards available for public art.
If we're stuck with an explosion of billboards and digital conversions, Cardenas said, can't we at least squeeze some public benefit out of it?
We'd all be better off, he said, if instead of tagging walls, storefronts and murals, kids had a chance to learn more skills and put them to better use, and to compete for prominent display of their work.
"Everybody jumps and wants to make it happen" when someone like Eli Broad speaks about the need for an art-focused high school like the new one on Sunset Boulevard downtown, Cardenas said. "Then you have these other guys who don't look like and don't talk like Eli Broad, but they probably have more to offer in the arts . . . and they can't get people to take them seriously."
That's only because there's no room for creativity in a bureaucracy, and little political courage or risk-taking, especially under the last couple of mayors.
But Rodriguez, Densmore and I were talking about how with the right leadership, L.A. could be re-created as a place where not just community art, but gardens and food co-ops are given enough support to spring up organically and help sustain neighborhoods, change our horrible eating habits and give kids something constructive to do.
After we'd met, Densmore sent me an e-mail to explain once more why he cares about any of this.
Fate, he said, first led him to the mural at Avenue 61 and Fig. "But I'm a native Angeleno and what better ecological effort can one make than to stay where you were born and try to make it more beautiful?"
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Activists work to find ways to save youths through art.

The mural at Avenue 61 and Figueroa Street in Highland Park was recently vandalized, presumably by young taggers. Artists are halfway through restoring it.
(Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times)
Steve Lopez
It's nasty hot at the corner of Avenue 61 and Figueroa.
John Densmore, the drummer from the Doors, stands in the shade of his wide-brimmed hat, gazing at a damaged 120-foot mural with several other men. One of them is Luis Rodriguez, a local author who believes in his heart that L.A. and its lost boys can be saved by art.
Efforts to promote community art.It was Densmore, a Santa Monica resident, who initiated this little confab in Highland Park. When we first spoke by phone, he told me about how he had helped fund the mural project more than 10 years ago, so naturally, he was disappointed by its recent desecration.
Local artists had worked several months to complete the colorful tribute to their history, going all the way back to the Aztecs. The mural was dedicated to their friend Daniel Robles, a victim of gang violence in 1995, and in a neighborhood awash in graffiti, it had been sacred ground, respected and untouched by taggers all these years.
Until about two months ago.
"I got a call from Jaime [Ochoa], and he said, 'Guess what,' " said Anthony Ortega, one of the original artists along with Ochoa.
"It was like a whole bomb" of graffiti, said Ochoa.
The markings appeared to be the work of taggers rather than gang members, the men said. It was probably kids who either didn't understand their own history or didn't care. Ortega, Ochoa and others weren't about to surrender the wall to young vandals, though. They immediately went to work restoring the original mural and are about halfway done.
"Diego Rivera would be proud," Densmore said of the original work, still clearly visible though washed out in some areas.
Densmore has given quietly to local arts and culture over the years, telling me that he was inspired in part by hearing John Lennon talk about tithing.
"But I'm not going to give it to religious organizations," he said, saying he could think of no better charity than those that help build a stronger sense of community.
The drummer, you may remember, is the Doors member who resisted use of the legendary band's music in commercials, saying it "was not for rent." When he heard about the vandalism of the mural, Densmore saw an opportunity, so he invited Rodriguez to join us and share the outline of an ambitious plan to steer youngsters, like those taggers, into something constructive.
The Densmore-Rodriguez connection?
Rodriguez runs Tia Chucha's, a Sylmar bookstore and cultural center, and one of his biggest supporters and funders is Densmore. Rodriguez's most celebrated book, "Always Running," was the compelling tale of his descent into gang life and his escape from it, so he speaks with authority on the subject of wayward youth and how to rein them in.
At the mural, Rodriquez handed me his five-page proposal for a Comprehensive Neighborhood Arts Project. It calls for artists to band together, and for politicians and community leaders to use
new funding sources, such as a tax on tourism and billboard revenues, to support citywide art, music and cultural projects.
Sponsors and participants would include colleges, businesses, nonprofits and good citizens. Public and private spaces would become art centers, the Summer Lights program at rec centers would take undisciplined taggers and try to turn them into real artists with a little more respect for both art and their neighborhood.
The initiative raises a fair, if inconvenient, question:
How can a global entertainment and arts center like Los Angeles offer so little in the way of creative opportunities to its people?
"Over the past year, the city has lost resources, cultural spaces, independent bookstores and murals in its extremely diverse and far-flung neighborhoods," the initiative reads.
"There are now whole communities without bookstores, art galleries or movie houses. We have to expand our imagination about the arts and how it can cultivate, renew and regenerate our economically and culturally strapped communities."
Rodriguez and several others are spending the summer rounding up supporters and tinkering with the specifics of the proposal, trying to convince leaders that although times are tough, an all-out embrace of cultural education and arts enrichment can better the quality of life and help prevent crime. One politician who's already on board is Rodriguez's brother-in-law, L.A. City Councilman Tony Cardenas.
"Arts programs and extracurricular activities are being decimated more in this year than in any year I remember," said Cardenas, referring primarily to school district cutbacks that include the elimination of summer school.
Cardenas recently introduced an ordinance that would put a 1% tax on billboard revenues to help pay for new arts programs, and it would also make some digital and traditional billboards available for public art.
If we're stuck with an explosion of billboards and digital conversions, Cardenas said, can't we at least squeeze some public benefit out of it?
We'd all be better off, he said, if instead of tagging walls, storefronts and murals, kids had a chance to learn more skills and put them to better use, and to compete for prominent display of their work.
"Everybody jumps and wants to make it happen" when someone like Eli Broad speaks about the need for an art-focused high school like the new one on Sunset Boulevard downtown, Cardenas said. "Then you have these other guys who don't look like and don't talk like Eli Broad, but they probably have more to offer in the arts . . . and they can't get people to take them seriously."
That's only because there's no room for creativity in a bureaucracy, and little political courage or risk-taking, especially under the last couple of mayors.
But Rodriguez, Densmore and I were talking about how with the right leadership, L.A. could be re-created as a place where not just community art, but gardens and food co-ops are given enough support to spring up organically and help sustain neighborhoods, change our horrible eating habits and give kids something constructive to do.
After we'd met, Densmore sent me an e-mail to explain once more why he cares about any of this.
Fate, he said, first led him to the mural at Avenue 61 and Fig. "But I'm a native Angeleno and what better ecological effort can one make than to stay where you were born and try to make it more beautiful?"
[email protected]
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Random Flurried Ramblings of Felipe Leon
By Felipe Leon
Steve Kim of MaxBoxing.com has his flurries, Dan Raphael of ESPN has his random Thoughts and Edgar Gonzalez of MyBoxingFans.com has Miscellaneous Ramblings so I am going to name my periodic stream of consciousness opinions “Random Flurried Ramblings.” On that note:
**The rumor around town is that Antonio Margarito is definitely coming back in late September or early October to the Plaza Monumental in Tijuana. If so, that might be the biggest event Tijuana has seen since the international border was put up. Margarito has been laying low for quite a while, usually he was seen at many southern California boxing events and in Tijuana. I don’t know if it is a conscious thing or he just wants to stay away for his own sake. Zanfer Promotions will be the promoter of record which is understandable since it is the south of the border arm of Top Rank. Will the California Commission consider this a slap in the face? Although it has not made it official, the commission has let it be known that it is not too happy with the fact that Margarito’s trainer, Javier Capetillo, has worked corners in Mexico and that it will not reinstate Capetillo’s license in January. We will have to wait and see.
**It was recently reported by MyBoxingFans.com that Oscar De La Hoya enjoyed a round a golf with the Puerto Rican sensation Miguel Cotto. Although PrimeraHora.com reported that no business was discussed, it can be easily be understood that De La Hoya is laying the groundwork for a possible signing of Cotto once his contract with Top Rank ends in December. Cotto has made it clear in the past that he is not happy with Arum’s support of his only conqueror, Antonio Margarito’s predicament as far as his suspension from professional boxing in the United States. I would be a bit surprised if Cotto actually signs with Golden Boy unless they make him partner. Cotto has his own promotional company in Puerto Rico and has put on quite a number of events. What I would believe is that Cotto will keep his company and co-promote with Golden Boy his future fights a la Mayweather Jr.
**Speaking of international courting, De La Hoya was in Puerto Rico where he actually lives talking to Cotto and it was known that Shane Mosley traveled to Australia to speak to the “Raging Bull” Vic Darchinyan before his contract with Gary Shaw expired about a possible signing with Golden Boy. Mosley got his answer when Darchinyan’s team put out a press release stating that he was with Shaw for life, contract or no contract. I hope that Mosley at least got a good number of frequent flyer miles for his trouble…
**As far as Mosley and Cotto are concerned, both welterweights have put their name in the hat for the possibility to be chosen as the next Pacquaio opponent. It seemed that Cotto was the front runner until he made it a point that he would not fight at a weight less than 145 lbs. after he had tentative agreed to 143 lbs. As a week ago, Mosley had withdrawn his name from the sweepstakes since he was tired of waiting for an answer from the “Pacman” but just recently has stated that he is willing to make the 143 lbs. mark. I thought that the novelas where only on Televisa… None the less, who ever the Filipinio Phenom fights, the real winners will be us, the fans.
**It is a tragedy that the boxing world has lost two true warriors in Arturo Gatti and Alexis Arguello in the last couple of weeks. What boggles my mind is how these two men could have the mental fortitude to do what they did in the ring, give and receive so much pain, but not have the mental stability to cope with every day life. It is sad the circumstances that each one of them died in and it is a lesson to all of us that although we might admire these two men for their displays of heart and courage inside the ring, the biggest lesson we might learn from them is to avoid and end like theirs.
**Last Saturday, two Tijuana fighters took a step forward in their careers. Antonio DeMarco defeated Agnes Adhajo in Florida to earn the #1 position in the WBC lightweight ranks while Cristobal “Lacandon” Cruz defended his IBF featherweight title for the second time with a unanimous decision over Jorge Solis in his home state of Chiapas. Despite the fact that these two fighters find themselves at the highest level of their sport, I watched the fights in a relatively empty pool hall in Tijuana, the city in which both fighters train and live. Usually when there is a fight which boasts a fighter from Tijuana or a Mexican as a matter of fact, you will find huge banners outside many bars, pool halls and restaurants spread out through out the city advertising the broadcasting of the bout in their establishment. This was not the case this Saturday night. Hopefully in the near future, these two fighters will get a bigger audience in their home city and become a draw.
By Felipe Leon
Steve Kim of MaxBoxing.com has his flurries, Dan Raphael of ESPN has his random Thoughts and Edgar Gonzalez of MyBoxingFans.com has Miscellaneous Ramblings so I am going to name my periodic stream of consciousness opinions “Random Flurried Ramblings.” On that note:
**The rumor around town is that Antonio Margarito is definitely coming back in late September or early October to the Plaza Monumental in Tijuana. If so, that might be the biggest event Tijuana has seen since the international border was put up. Margarito has been laying low for quite a while, usually he was seen at many southern California boxing events and in Tijuana. I don’t know if it is a conscious thing or he just wants to stay away for his own sake. Zanfer Promotions will be the promoter of record which is understandable since it is the south of the border arm of Top Rank. Will the California Commission consider this a slap in the face? Although it has not made it official, the commission has let it be known that it is not too happy with the fact that Margarito’s trainer, Javier Capetillo, has worked corners in Mexico and that it will not reinstate Capetillo’s license in January. We will have to wait and see.
**It was recently reported by MyBoxingFans.com that Oscar De La Hoya enjoyed a round a golf with the Puerto Rican sensation Miguel Cotto. Although PrimeraHora.com reported that no business was discussed, it can be easily be understood that De La Hoya is laying the groundwork for a possible signing of Cotto once his contract with Top Rank ends in December. Cotto has made it clear in the past that he is not happy with Arum’s support of his only conqueror, Antonio Margarito’s predicament as far as his suspension from professional boxing in the United States. I would be a bit surprised if Cotto actually signs with Golden Boy unless they make him partner. Cotto has his own promotional company in Puerto Rico and has put on quite a number of events. What I would believe is that Cotto will keep his company and co-promote with Golden Boy his future fights a la Mayweather Jr.
**Speaking of international courting, De La Hoya was in Puerto Rico where he actually lives talking to Cotto and it was known that Shane Mosley traveled to Australia to speak to the “Raging Bull” Vic Darchinyan before his contract with Gary Shaw expired about a possible signing with Golden Boy. Mosley got his answer when Darchinyan’s team put out a press release stating that he was with Shaw for life, contract or no contract. I hope that Mosley at least got a good number of frequent flyer miles for his trouble…
**As far as Mosley and Cotto are concerned, both welterweights have put their name in the hat for the possibility to be chosen as the next Pacquaio opponent. It seemed that Cotto was the front runner until he made it a point that he would not fight at a weight less than 145 lbs. after he had tentative agreed to 143 lbs. As a week ago, Mosley had withdrawn his name from the sweepstakes since he was tired of waiting for an answer from the “Pacman” but just recently has stated that he is willing to make the 143 lbs. mark. I thought that the novelas where only on Televisa… None the less, who ever the Filipinio Phenom fights, the real winners will be us, the fans.
**It is a tragedy that the boxing world has lost two true warriors in Arturo Gatti and Alexis Arguello in the last couple of weeks. What boggles my mind is how these two men could have the mental fortitude to do what they did in the ring, give and receive so much pain, but not have the mental stability to cope with every day life. It is sad the circumstances that each one of them died in and it is a lesson to all of us that although we might admire these two men for their displays of heart and courage inside the ring, the biggest lesson we might learn from them is to avoid and end like theirs.
**Last Saturday, two Tijuana fighters took a step forward in their careers. Antonio DeMarco defeated Agnes Adhajo in Florida to earn the #1 position in the WBC lightweight ranks while Cristobal “Lacandon” Cruz defended his IBF featherweight title for the second time with a unanimous decision over Jorge Solis in his home state of Chiapas. Despite the fact that these two fighters find themselves at the highest level of their sport, I watched the fights in a relatively empty pool hall in Tijuana, the city in which both fighters train and live. Usually when there is a fight which boasts a fighter from Tijuana or a Mexican as a matter of fact, you will find huge banners outside many bars, pool halls and restaurants spread out through out the city advertising the broadcasting of the bout in their establishment. This was not the case this Saturday night. Hopefully in the near future, these two fighters will get a bigger audience in their home city and become a draw.
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Al Bernstein
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Is it just me or has he had so many he looks like Alan Alda?dagosd2000 wrote:Frankkikibalt wrote:Mario looks like he had one too many...dagosd2000 wrote:
Mario. Head bartender at the Sports Arena Bar in Munich. Turned me on to Augustina Helles. Turned me on to a good time.Thanks pal.
Everyone in that joint had one too many,including me. But I'll say this,that beer is free of chemicals and not pasturized so it's fresh. I didn't have a hangover the next day.
Hmm or maybe I've had so many he looks like Alan Alda......well....which one is it? You tell me.
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RUTH
"Roger,how did you like Germany?"
Ruth was the sister of my grandaughter's Flamenco instructor. She was 80 years old and liked to walk up and down the the beach at Maria del Carmen. Born in Germany, she spoke English and Spanish along with German.
"It was very beautifull,"I said to her in English.
"I heard you went to Munich. Did you see the alps?"
"Yes, we took the train to Garmisch."
The old woman had her hair cropped short and was always smiling when she spoke.
The grandchildren were playing in the surf as I watched them and talked to Ruth.
"How did you like the German people?",Ruth asked me.
"Very friendly,but a bit neurotic," I answered.
The old woman laughed. She looked younger than her age.
"I know what you mean. That's why I enjoy coming to Spain."
I told her of my experience on the train to Garmisch when an old woman told me me to close the window because she was cold. It amused me that she was sitting at the back of the compartment and I was sitting at the front. Ruth laughed again when I told her this story.
My grandchildren were playing with Amanda's instructor's children on the sand. They were burying each other up to their necks.
"I watched Amanda dance yesterday,"said Ruth. "She's beautifull to watch. It's wonderfull that you bring her to study with my son."
"Yes,it's what I live for I guess."
The children ran up to where we were talking on the beach. They asked for money to buy sodas. I gave them some Euros.
"You know Roger,"said Ruth smiling at me. "I try to find the best in everything wherever I go. I've been to many places,not everywhere,but to many."
"Yes,"I said looking to see where the children were walking to. "Are you going to be with us tonight after the students finish dancing?"
"I'll try. You see I have this problem with my eye. I can't see well at night."
"Is it a cataract? I had one removed last year."
Ruth hesitated,then smiled.
"Something like that."
"Well maybe I'll see you tonight,"I said.
Just before rehearsal fininished Ruth walked into the auditorium wearing a dress with an orange and blue flower pattern. Her cheeks were rosy from the beach. At dinner that evening I sat next to her youngest brother,Amanda's Flamenco teacher.
"Miguel,your sister says that she has a problem with her eye."
"Yes,"said the Flameco teacher. "She has cancer in her brain in back of her eye."
I watched Ruth talking to the dancers as they ate their "tapas."She was laughing constantly.
"Can anything be done?,"I asked.
The news set me back.
"They can slow it down. That's about all they can do for her,"said Miguel.
As the evening turned to dark,sitting under the amber lights of the cafe ,I couldn't help but notice Ruth. I don't think she ever stopped laughing. .
"Roger,how did you like Germany?"
Ruth was the sister of my grandaughter's Flamenco instructor. She was 80 years old and liked to walk up and down the the beach at Maria del Carmen. Born in Germany, she spoke English and Spanish along with German.
"It was very beautifull,"I said to her in English.
"I heard you went to Munich. Did you see the alps?"
"Yes, we took the train to Garmisch."
The old woman had her hair cropped short and was always smiling when she spoke.
The grandchildren were playing in the surf as I watched them and talked to Ruth.
"How did you like the German people?",Ruth asked me.
"Very friendly,but a bit neurotic," I answered.
The old woman laughed. She looked younger than her age.
"I know what you mean. That's why I enjoy coming to Spain."
I told her of my experience on the train to Garmisch when an old woman told me me to close the window because she was cold. It amused me that she was sitting at the back of the compartment and I was sitting at the front. Ruth laughed again when I told her this story.
My grandchildren were playing with Amanda's instructor's children on the sand. They were burying each other up to their necks.
"I watched Amanda dance yesterday,"said Ruth. "She's beautifull to watch. It's wonderfull that you bring her to study with my son."
"Yes,it's what I live for I guess."
The children ran up to where we were talking on the beach. They asked for money to buy sodas. I gave them some Euros.
"You know Roger,"said Ruth smiling at me. "I try to find the best in everything wherever I go. I've been to many places,not everywhere,but to many."
"Yes,"I said looking to see where the children were walking to. "Are you going to be with us tonight after the students finish dancing?"
"I'll try. You see I have this problem with my eye. I can't see well at night."
"Is it a cataract? I had one removed last year."
Ruth hesitated,then smiled.
"Something like that."
"Well maybe I'll see you tonight,"I said.
Just before rehearsal fininished Ruth walked into the auditorium wearing a dress with an orange and blue flower pattern. Her cheeks were rosy from the beach. At dinner that evening I sat next to her youngest brother,Amanda's Flamenco teacher.
"Miguel,your sister says that she has a problem with her eye."
"Yes,"said the Flameco teacher. "She has cancer in her brain in back of her eye."
I watched Ruth talking to the dancers as they ate their "tapas."She was laughing constantly.
"Can anything be done?,"I asked.
The news set me back.
"They can slow it down. That's about all they can do for her,"said Miguel.
As the evening turned to dark,sitting under the amber lights of the cafe ,I couldn't help but notice Ruth. I don't think she ever stopped laughing. .
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Al Bernstein
Beautiful!
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A HANDSHAKE IS ALL THAT'S NECESSARY
Fighters are probably the greatest examaples of an athlete ,after his game is over, as a target of abuse. It's like the toughest guy on the block growing old with time now is going to be tested by the guy who wouldn't have had a chance with him in his prime.
I remember Bo Jackson, when he was double sporting it,introduced to a Parkinsoned Ali. Jackson was putting up his dukes like he was going to go after Ali. Muhammad went with it and put up his hands. There were no bad intentions,but the point was that Jackson wanted to show The Greatest that he could take the best of him. So what did Jackson prove? He was in his prime,and even if he had never stepped inside a ring, he knew could kick Muhammad Ali's ass.
Well it wasn't long after that that Jackson suffered a career ending injury to his leg that put him out of football. Shortly after that,baseball was history.
So where is Bo now? Maybe some young buck who's never played a down of football will be introduced to the former two time athlete and front him. The young testosterone specimen will have his hands up showing the gimpy Mr. Jackson that he's an easy prey.
I met Sugar Ray Robinson once when he was past 50 and I was a young gridiron star. My father made the approach with the Greatest Pound For Pound Fighter. He knew Robinson from Chicago.
I was in awe. In awe for the Sugar Man. In awe for my father. My grip was only took shake hands.
Fighters are probably the greatest examaples of an athlete ,after his game is over, as a target of abuse. It's like the toughest guy on the block growing old with time now is going to be tested by the guy who wouldn't have had a chance with him in his prime.
I remember Bo Jackson, when he was double sporting it,introduced to a Parkinsoned Ali. Jackson was putting up his dukes like he was going to go after Ali. Muhammad went with it and put up his hands. There were no bad intentions,but the point was that Jackson wanted to show The Greatest that he could take the best of him. So what did Jackson prove? He was in his prime,and even if he had never stepped inside a ring, he knew could kick Muhammad Ali's ass.
Well it wasn't long after that that Jackson suffered a career ending injury to his leg that put him out of football. Shortly after that,baseball was history.
So where is Bo now? Maybe some young buck who's never played a down of football will be introduced to the former two time athlete and front him. The young testosterone specimen will have his hands up showing the gimpy Mr. Jackson that he's an easy prey.
I met Sugar Ray Robinson once when he was past 50 and I was a young gridiron star. My father made the approach with the Greatest Pound For Pound Fighter. He knew Robinson from Chicago.
I was in awe. In awe for the Sugar Man. In awe for my father. My grip was only took shake hands.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
From Wiki:dagosd2000 wrote:A HANDSHAKE IS ALL THAT'S NECESSARY
Fighters are probably the greatest examaples of an athlete ,after his game is over, as a target of abuse. It's like the toughest guy on the block growing old with time now is going to be tested by the guy who wouldn't have had a chance with him in his prime.
I remember Bo Jackson, when he was double sporting it,introduced to a Parkinsoned Ali. Jackson was putting up his dukes like he was going to go after Ali. Muhammad went with it and put up his hands. There were no bad intentions,but the point was that Jackson wanted to show The Greatest that he could take the best of him. So what did Jackson prove? He was in his prime,and even if he had never stepped inside a ring, he knew could kick Muhammad Ali's ass.
Well it wasn't long after that that Jackson suffered a career ending injury to his leg that put him out of football. Shortly after that,baseball was history.
So where is Bo now? Maybe some young buck who's never played a down of football will be introduced to the former two time athlete and front him. The young testosterone specimen will have his hands up showing the gimpy Mr. Jackson that he's an easy prey.
I met Sugar Ray Robinson once when he was past 50 and I was a young gridiron star. My father made the approach with the Greatest Pound For Pound Fighter. He knew Robinson from Chicago.
I was in awe. In awe for the Sugar Man. In awe for my father. My grip was only took shake hands.
1990s
In 1993, Jackson was honored with the Tony Conigliaro Award. In 1995, he completed his bachelor of science degree at Auburn to fulfill the promise he made to his mother.[6]
Through the 1990s, Jackson dabbled in acting, having made several television guest appearances first on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air in 1990 as well as Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman and Married with Children. He later appeared in small roles in the films The Chamber, The Pandora Project, and Fakin' Da Funk.
Jackson served as the President of the HealthSouth Sports Medicine Council, part of Birmingham, Alabama based HealthSouth Corporation. He was also spokesman for HealthSouth's "Go For It": Roadshow.
2000s
The Chicago White Sox chose Jackson to throw the ceremonial first pitch before Game Two of the 2005 World Series. The White Sox would win that game on a 9th inning walk-off home run, then go on to sweep Houston for their first Championship in 88 years.
In 2006, Jackson appeared on the Spike TV sports reality show, Pros vs. Joes. In his second appearance, he easily defeated amateur athletes in a home run-hitting contest. When he bunted instead of swinging on his final try for a home run, the announcer stated, "Bo knows taunting."
In 2007, Bo came together with John Cangelosi to form Bo Jackson Elite Sports Complex, an 88,000 square foot multi-sports dome facility in Lockport, Illinois. He is part-owner and CEO of the facility. He has been successful with other investments, like his food company, N'Genuity. He often speaks that while he may have been great for sports, sports were no doubt greater for him considering the post-career opportunities that have been afforded to him.
Jackson and his family live in Burr Ridge, Illinois. He is among a group of investors who own The Burr Ridge Bank and Trust in the Chicago suburbs where Bo lives. He's on the bank's board of directors and is said to be "rolling up his sleeves" and working among everyone else to make sure the small bank becomes a success during tough financial times. According to Jackson, "We have no type of debt, like all the other banks. We're a small community bank and one thing we all decided, is that if we are going to do a bank in our community, it needs to be owned by the people who live in the community."
On May 9, 2009, Jackson delivered the commencement speech at Auburn's graduation ceremony. His speech was centered around the benefits of stepping out of one's comfort zone, which he has successfully done.
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Personally, I don't think Bo Jackson meant any disrespect to Muhammad Ali. When President Bush presented the Medal of Freedom to Ali, the president put up his hands, too.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
dagosd2000 wrote:A HANDSHAKE IS ALL THAT'S NECESSARY
Fighters are probably the greatest examaples of an athlete ,after his game is over, as a target of abuse. It's like the toughest guy on the block growing old with time now is going to be tested by the guy who wouldn't have had a chance with him in his prime.
I remember Bo Jackson, when he was double sporting it,introduced to a Parkinsoned Ali. Jackson was putting up his dukes like he was going to go after Ali. Muhammad went with it and put up his hands. There were no bad intentions,but the point was that Jackson wanted to show The Greatest that he could take the best of him. So what did Jackson prove? He was in his prime,and even if he had never stepped inside a ring, he knew could kick Muhammad Ali's ass.
Well it wasn't long after that that Jackson suffered a career ending injury to his leg that put him out of football. Shortly after that,baseball was history.
So where is Bo now? Maybe some young buck who's never played a down of football will be introduced to the former two time athlete and front him. The young testosterone specimen will have his hands up showing the gimpy Mr. Jackson that he's an easy prey.
I met Sugar Ray Robinson once when he was past 50 and I was a young gridiron star. My father made the approach with the Greatest Pound For Pound Fighter. He knew Robinson from Chicago.
I was in awe. In awe for the Sugar Man. In awe for my father. My grip was only took shake hands.
"Only Bo knows Bo" . . .
Roger, in 1992, I did a series of Nike commercials that featured a "retired" Bo Jackson.
The campaign was- "Only Bo knows Bo".
Injuries had pretty much ended Jackson's athletic career, but he could still do commercials.
In the ad, Bo is seen wearing football uniforms from Auburn and the Raiders, and a K.C. Royals baseball uniform.
Jackson's mother was on the set. She had flown in from Alabama to appear with her son in the spot.
She would pass away months later.
I didn't get to know Bo Jackson, I just lit the sets for the Nike shoot.
He appeared to be pre-occupied, in obvious pain at times.
He'd stand upright on camera, but would not move, he was generally seated.
The moment we'd print a take and move on, an assistant would hand him his crutches and he'd hobble off the set to his dressing room.
On camera, Bo Jackson looked massive standing in his Raider's unform.
The reality was he could not walk, awaiting another hip operation, or something of that nature.
He signed a baseball for my girlfriend's nephew, and did the same for a few others.
I watched Bo Jackson leaning on his crutches to support his body while signing the ball.
My mind suddenly drifted back to a Raiders-Seahawkes game a few years earlier.
I remember Jackson running down field for a touchdown. The only defender between Jackson and the goal line was Brian Bosworth.
As Bosworth moved into Jackson's path, Bo made no effort to avoid him, dropped his shoulder and ran over the former Oklahoma star.
Bo Jackson ran thru Brian Bosworth like a freight train thru a Volkswagon. Such speed, such power. Bo left Bos on the grass.
When he handed me the baseball, I imagined how difficult his disability must be, from so gifted to so broken.
Although physically disabled, you could feel the energy of Bo Jackson, you could feel the power of a great athlete.
I appreciated his signature on the ball, it made a twelve-year-old boy very happy.
As I said, I don't know Bo Jackson, but I know that I left the stage that day with a little more respect for the guy.
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Its funny, Bo Jackson seems to have dropped off the radar.
He was living here in Chicago for awhile. He may still. However, I havent heard anyone mention his name in quite sometime. He never turns up at any Bulls games or BlackHawks games. Lately that has been a big thing to do for ex pro athletes and alot of celebs.
No sign of Bo.
He was living here in Chicago for awhile. He may still. However, I havent heard anyone mention his name in quite sometime. He never turns up at any Bulls games or BlackHawks games. Lately that has been a big thing to do for ex pro athletes and alot of celebs.
No sign of Bo.
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Gatti before Gatti

By Ted Sares -
There’s only one way you can lick [Tony] Zale—you gotta kill him. —Rocky Graziano
The proof is in the pudding when I get in the ring. -- Thompson Carl “The Cat”
I hear the cheers when I need to hear them. It feels good to know my fans are still behind me. --Arturo Gatti
It was a tough fight, but that’s the way I like to win them … I said I was going to introduce new blood to the sport, and I guess you saw a lot of new blood. —Michael Katsidis..
“Mr. Excitement.”
Danny “Little Red” Lopez was “Mr. Excitement.” He was never in a dull fight, and was most dangerous if he had been decked--which was often. Soft-spoken and humble, he was ferocious and unrelenting once the bell rang. In an era in which fights were regularly seen free on non-cable television, he was one of the greatest of the television fighters and his name guaranteed big ratings. Danny was a volume puncher who worked to set up his knockout blow which he could deliver with either hand. His fights often turned into melodramas in which he overcame knock-downs, severe punishment, and adversity to score sudden and spectacular knockouts. In this regard, he was like Matthew Saad Muhammad. He was a “Gatti before Gatti.” He would get off the canvas and roar back. Turning predator, he would hunt down and take out his opponent in savage fashion. He was heavy-handed which belied his skinny appearance and if he connected flush, it usually spelled the end. In 1979, Lopez KOd Mike Ayala in the fifteenth round in what was Ring Magazine’s Fight of the Year.
Like fellow Californian Bobby Chacon, Little Red connected with his fans in an electric way. The roars started as soon as he was seen coming down the aisle with his American Native Headdress on and didn’t stop until he left the ring--usually a winner. And like Chacon, he left boxing with a reputation of being one of the most exciting fighters to toil in the square circle. Lopez was inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame at age 35, the youngest man ever elected. But inexplicitly, he is not in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. One thing is certain; he was always the perennial crowd favorite and his legacy is forever secure with aficionados.
“Miracle Matthew”
Matthew Saad Muhammad was another who was extremely popular and connected with his fans in a special way..His action-oriented style guaranteed that almost every fight would be a thriller in which he would come back from the precipice to put his opening away. His rematch with another great fan-favorite, Yaqui Lopez, was one for the ages as Saad was hit with 20 unanswered hard blows in round eight, but he recovered to drop Lopez 5 times in route to a knockout win. It was Ring Magazine’s 1980 Fight of the Year.
Matthew Saad Muhammad’s signature was his ability to absorb punishment and then mount drama-filled comebacks. Indeed, he was nicknamed “Miracle Matthew,” but in retrospect, he could well have been nicknamed “Gatti before Gatti.” He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1998.
For fans fortunate enough to have watched fights on Saturday and Sunday afternoons in the late 70's and early 80's, the action provided by Danny Lopez and Matthew Saad Muhammad will never be forgoteen.
Arturo Gatti (1972-2009)
Most of what can be said or written about this exciting warrior has already been said (or is being said) and it is not my intention to add much except to point out that he shared something in common with Bobby Chacon, Little Red, Miracle Matthew, and a few other special people.
What made them special? Each was an all-out action fighter who possessed tremendous recuperative powers in the ring; each was known throughout his career for having unique connections with their adoring fans. In this regard, as soon as the crowd spotted “Thunder” with his Old School-style white robe, they would start the roar that would follow him into the ring and chills would go down your spine.
Maybe it was their propensity to take it to the brink each and every time out--to lay it all on the line without regard to their own wellbeing. Each participated in classics;’’ heck, Gatti participated in Ring Magazine’s Fight of the Year an astounding four times (1997, 1998, 2002, and 2003). But above all, these hard men always demonstrated tremendous and immense heart, and that’s one of the most important things for boxing fans because boxers with heart never give up. They are ceaseless aggressors; oncoming warriors who will gladly absorb two or three punches just for the opportunity of landing one. Now I know I have left many valiant warriors out, and I deeply apologize for that, but in the end, only one enjoys the ultimate compliment of having another warrior being referred to as “Gatti before Gatti.”
Now, it will mean even more.

By Ted Sares -
There’s only one way you can lick [Tony] Zale—you gotta kill him. —Rocky Graziano
The proof is in the pudding when I get in the ring. -- Thompson Carl “The Cat”
I hear the cheers when I need to hear them. It feels good to know my fans are still behind me. --Arturo Gatti
It was a tough fight, but that’s the way I like to win them … I said I was going to introduce new blood to the sport, and I guess you saw a lot of new blood. —Michael Katsidis..
“Mr. Excitement.”
Danny “Little Red” Lopez was “Mr. Excitement.” He was never in a dull fight, and was most dangerous if he had been decked--which was often. Soft-spoken and humble, he was ferocious and unrelenting once the bell rang. In an era in which fights were regularly seen free on non-cable television, he was one of the greatest of the television fighters and his name guaranteed big ratings. Danny was a volume puncher who worked to set up his knockout blow which he could deliver with either hand. His fights often turned into melodramas in which he overcame knock-downs, severe punishment, and adversity to score sudden and spectacular knockouts. In this regard, he was like Matthew Saad Muhammad. He was a “Gatti before Gatti.” He would get off the canvas and roar back. Turning predator, he would hunt down and take out his opponent in savage fashion. He was heavy-handed which belied his skinny appearance and if he connected flush, it usually spelled the end. In 1979, Lopez KOd Mike Ayala in the fifteenth round in what was Ring Magazine’s Fight of the Year.
Like fellow Californian Bobby Chacon, Little Red connected with his fans in an electric way. The roars started as soon as he was seen coming down the aisle with his American Native Headdress on and didn’t stop until he left the ring--usually a winner. And like Chacon, he left boxing with a reputation of being one of the most exciting fighters to toil in the square circle. Lopez was inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame at age 35, the youngest man ever elected. But inexplicitly, he is not in the International Boxing Hall of Fame. One thing is certain; he was always the perennial crowd favorite and his legacy is forever secure with aficionados.
“Miracle Matthew”
Matthew Saad Muhammad was another who was extremely popular and connected with his fans in a special way..His action-oriented style guaranteed that almost every fight would be a thriller in which he would come back from the precipice to put his opening away. His rematch with another great fan-favorite, Yaqui Lopez, was one for the ages as Saad was hit with 20 unanswered hard blows in round eight, but he recovered to drop Lopez 5 times in route to a knockout win. It was Ring Magazine’s 1980 Fight of the Year.
Matthew Saad Muhammad’s signature was his ability to absorb punishment and then mount drama-filled comebacks. Indeed, he was nicknamed “Miracle Matthew,” but in retrospect, he could well have been nicknamed “Gatti before Gatti.” He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1998.
For fans fortunate enough to have watched fights on Saturday and Sunday afternoons in the late 70's and early 80's, the action provided by Danny Lopez and Matthew Saad Muhammad will never be forgoteen.
Arturo Gatti (1972-2009)
Most of what can be said or written about this exciting warrior has already been said (or is being said) and it is not my intention to add much except to point out that he shared something in common with Bobby Chacon, Little Red, Miracle Matthew, and a few other special people.
What made them special? Each was an all-out action fighter who possessed tremendous recuperative powers in the ring; each was known throughout his career for having unique connections with their adoring fans. In this regard, as soon as the crowd spotted “Thunder” with his Old School-style white robe, they would start the roar that would follow him into the ring and chills would go down your spine.
Maybe it was their propensity to take it to the brink each and every time out--to lay it all on the line without regard to their own wellbeing. Each participated in classics;’’ heck, Gatti participated in Ring Magazine’s Fight of the Year an astounding four times (1997, 1998, 2002, and 2003). But above all, these hard men always demonstrated tremendous and immense heart, and that’s one of the most important things for boxing fans because boxers with heart never give up. They are ceaseless aggressors; oncoming warriors who will gladly absorb two or three punches just for the opportunity of landing one. Now I know I have left many valiant warriors out, and I deeply apologize for that, but in the end, only one enjoys the ultimate compliment of having another warrior being referred to as “Gatti before Gatti.”
Now, it will mean even more.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
I'm reading another story generating out of California about legalizing marijuana. Again the basis of this argument is "generating" an estimated 1.4 billion in revenues. I think it's coming down the road. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's the lights of an incoming freight train. ![[icon_e_biggrin.gif] :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
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Esteban De Jesus – A Tragic Story
By Edgar Gonzalez

If ever a boxer was a victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, it was Puerto Rico’s Esteban De Jesus. This former one time claimant of the W.B.C. lightweight title may have been the best Puerto Rican 135 pounder since Carlos Ortiz. Unfortunately he boxed during the era of possibly the greatest of all lightweights, Roberto Duran. This occurred on November 17, 1972 at Madison Square Garden. Esteban floored Duran in the first round and then boxed his way to a decision win in a non-title bout. Then he twice whipped the respected Ray Lampkin in bouts for the American Lightweight title thus establishing himself as the top contender.
On his way to his first meeting with Duran, Esteban had lost just once and that was to W.B.A. featherweight champion Antonio Gomez in a non-title fight. He defeated Josque Marquez twice, Victor Ortiz, Lionel Hernandez, Percy Hayles, Angel Robinson, and Cleveland’s Chuck Wilburn. After his victory over Duran, Estsban defeated the classy Johnny Gant and former junior welterweight titleholder, Alfonso Frazier. These victories finally set up a title shot against Duran. On March 16, 1974 in Panama City, Esteban again decked Duran in the first round. this time though Roberto was in much better condition and he gradually wore down his formidable foe stopping Esteban in round eleven.
One year later De Jesus moved up in weight and challenged Antonio Cervantes for the junior welterweight championship. Once again Esteban faded down the stretch as he dropped a fifteen round decision. Again one year later De Jesus received yet another title opportunity. He was matched with W.B.C. lightweight champion Guts Suzuki. Showing his true class Esteban Dominated Suzuki to win an easy decision and the crown. De Jesus would defend his title successfully three times thus setting up the rubber match with Duran for the undisputed title.
Duran v De Jesus III was held in Las Vegas and this much anticipated Superfight would determine once and for all who was the world’s best lightweight. In possibly the best performance of his career Duran proved his superiority halting Estsban in round twelve. De Jesus would come back and put together another win streak that included a victory over Edwin Viruet. Once more De Jesus was granted a title shot. This time he would meet W.B.C. junior welterweight champion Saoul Mamby. The bout took place on July 7, 1980 and the signs of Esteban’s obviously eroding skills were there for all to see. Mamby finally halted an exhausted and outclassed De Jesus in round thirteen. The final chapter in this fine but yet tragic career Esteban would never gain full acceptance as lightweight champion although only the great Duran could master him. Esteban’s final ledger is as follows; 62 bouts, 57 victories, and only 5 defeats. He scored 32 knockouts and he was stopped 3 times. All of his setbacks were to world champions, Gomez, Duran twice, Cervantes, and Mamby.
The bad luck that dogged Esteban’s career was only an omen of things to come. Not long after his retirement Esteban was involved in a traffic dispute during which he shot and killed a seventeen-year-old youth. For this crime De Jesus was sentenced to life in prison. While in prison De Jesus was infected with AIDS bedridden and dying Esteban received a surprise visit from none other then his old adversary, Roberto Duran. In a moment of compassion completely out of character for the mean and macho Duran, he had come to pay his respects. He had come to show his admiration for his toughest foe. He also knew in his heart that Esteban was a true champion.
By Edgar Gonzalez

If ever a boxer was a victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, it was Puerto Rico’s Esteban De Jesus. This former one time claimant of the W.B.C. lightweight title may have been the best Puerto Rican 135 pounder since Carlos Ortiz. Unfortunately he boxed during the era of possibly the greatest of all lightweights, Roberto Duran. This occurred on November 17, 1972 at Madison Square Garden. Esteban floored Duran in the first round and then boxed his way to a decision win in a non-title bout. Then he twice whipped the respected Ray Lampkin in bouts for the American Lightweight title thus establishing himself as the top contender.
On his way to his first meeting with Duran, Esteban had lost just once and that was to W.B.A. featherweight champion Antonio Gomez in a non-title fight. He defeated Josque Marquez twice, Victor Ortiz, Lionel Hernandez, Percy Hayles, Angel Robinson, and Cleveland’s Chuck Wilburn. After his victory over Duran, Estsban defeated the classy Johnny Gant and former junior welterweight titleholder, Alfonso Frazier. These victories finally set up a title shot against Duran. On March 16, 1974 in Panama City, Esteban again decked Duran in the first round. this time though Roberto was in much better condition and he gradually wore down his formidable foe stopping Esteban in round eleven.
One year later De Jesus moved up in weight and challenged Antonio Cervantes for the junior welterweight championship. Once again Esteban faded down the stretch as he dropped a fifteen round decision. Again one year later De Jesus received yet another title opportunity. He was matched with W.B.C. lightweight champion Guts Suzuki. Showing his true class Esteban Dominated Suzuki to win an easy decision and the crown. De Jesus would defend his title successfully three times thus setting up the rubber match with Duran for the undisputed title.
Duran v De Jesus III was held in Las Vegas and this much anticipated Superfight would determine once and for all who was the world’s best lightweight. In possibly the best performance of his career Duran proved his superiority halting Estsban in round twelve. De Jesus would come back and put together another win streak that included a victory over Edwin Viruet. Once more De Jesus was granted a title shot. This time he would meet W.B.C. junior welterweight champion Saoul Mamby. The bout took place on July 7, 1980 and the signs of Esteban’s obviously eroding skills were there for all to see. Mamby finally halted an exhausted and outclassed De Jesus in round thirteen. The final chapter in this fine but yet tragic career Esteban would never gain full acceptance as lightweight champion although only the great Duran could master him. Esteban’s final ledger is as follows; 62 bouts, 57 victories, and only 5 defeats. He scored 32 knockouts and he was stopped 3 times. All of his setbacks were to world champions, Gomez, Duran twice, Cervantes, and Mamby.
The bad luck that dogged Esteban’s career was only an omen of things to come. Not long after his retirement Esteban was involved in a traffic dispute during which he shot and killed a seventeen-year-old youth. For this crime De Jesus was sentenced to life in prison. While in prison De Jesus was infected with AIDS bedridden and dying Esteban received a surprise visit from none other then his old adversary, Roberto Duran. In a moment of compassion completely out of character for the mean and macho Duran, he had come to pay his respects. He had come to show his admiration for his toughest foe. He also knew in his heart that Esteban was a true champion.
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Photo courtesy of Tony Treim, Boxing Historian

Sammy Mandell Al Kaufman Tom Kennedy & William S. Hart from 1927.
Tom Kennedy was one of the "Keystone Kops", a former boxer and promoter at the Hollywood Legion Stadium.
Rick Farris
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Director/Historian

Sammy Mandell Al Kaufman Tom Kennedy & William S. Hart from 1927.
Tom Kennedy was one of the "Keystone Kops", a former boxer and promoter at the Hollywood Legion Stadium.
Rick Farris
World Boxing Hall of Fame
Director/Historian
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Brian, see above for more information. Jackson and his family live in Burr Ridge, Illinois and he owns an interest in The Burr Ridge Bank and Trust. He is busy working in the banking business. Given the current problems in the banking industry, Bo may not have time these days for all the celebrity events.Expug wrote:Its funny, Bo Jackson seems to have dropped off the radar.
He was living here in Chicago for awhile. He may still. However, I havent heard anyone mention his name in quite sometime. He never turns up at any Bulls games or BlackHawks games. Lately that has been a big thing to do for ex pro athletes and alot of celebs.
No sign of Bo.
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It's about time. It's all but legal in California as it is. Marijuana dispenceries are everywhere. You just need a prescription and one can be had for about $100. a year. Safe, legal, organized and a HUGE revenue device.dagosd2000 wrote:I'm reading another story generating out of California about legalizing marijuana. Again the basis of this argument is "generating" an estimated 1.4 billion in revenues. I think it's coming down the road. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's the lights of an incoming freight train.
It amazes me that people are so stupid about making money. Pot sales for the State of California will do for our economy what Roger's art may do for the WBHOF. People may not be buying cars and merchandise, but they'll always buy good marijuana, which is much safer than booze. The nation is broke, it's time. Keep in mind that the State of California has the world's fifth largest economy, it's about to grow larger.
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Not all people. I don't use marijuana. I tried it in college (unlike President Clinton, I inhaled), but I didn't like it, and I wouldn't use it now even if it were legal.Rick Farris wrote:It's about time. It's all but legal in California as it is. Marijuana dispenceries are everywhere. You just need a prescription and one can be had for about $100. a year. Safe, legal, organized and a HUGE revenue device.dagosd2000 wrote:I'm reading another story generating out of California about legalizing marijuana. Again the basis of this argument is "generating" an estimated 1.4 billion in revenues. I think it's coming down the road. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's the lights of an incoming freight train.
It amazes me that people are so stupid about making money. Pot sales for the State of California will do for our economy what Roger's art may do for the WBHOF. People may not be buying cars and merchandise, but they'll always buy good marijuana, which is much safer than booze. The nation is broke, it's time. Keep in mind that the State of California has the world's fifth largest economy, it's about to grow larger.
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for the record: Al Kauffman was a respected amateur and professional fight figure in the west for many years until he was killed on a Hollywood street while changing a tire on his automobile in the early 1930s
hap navarro.
hap navarro.
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Not everybody drinks, either. It's definitly not for everybody, but those who do choose to use it should have the right, and in this case, it will generate revenue. For the record, I don't smoke either, but I have and realize it's legalization would be a positive thing from the stand point of the economy. The same people who smoke pot today will buy and use it legally. I prefer the state or the nation to profit. The number of people who smoke pot nationwide is in the miilions.raylawpc wrote:Not all people. I don't use marijuana. I tried it in college (unlike President Clinton, I inhaled), but I didn't like it, and I wouldn't use it now even if it were legal.Rick Farris wrote:It's about time. It's all but legal in California as it is. Marijuana dispenceries are everywhere. You just need a prescription and one can be had for about $100. a year. Safe, legal, organized and a HUGE revenue device.dagosd2000 wrote:I'm reading another story generating out of California about legalizing marijuana. Again the basis of this argument is "generating" an estimated 1.4 billion in revenues. I think it's coming down the road. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's the lights of an incoming freight train.
It amazes me that people are so stupid about making money. Pot sales for the State of California will do for our economy what Roger's art may do for the WBHOF. People may not be buying cars and merchandise, but they'll always buy good marijuana, which is much safer than booze. The nation is broke, it's time. Keep in mind that the State of California has the world's fifth largest economy, it's about to grow larger.
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Thanks for the info on Kauffman. I knew who the others were in the photo, but I wasn't familiar Al Kauffman.Dongee wrote:for the record: Al Kauffman was a respected amateur and professional fight figure in the west for many years until he was killed on a Hollywood street while changing a tire on his automobile in the early 1930s
hap navarro.
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I thought Kaufman died in the late 1950s in San Francisco. Hap, Are you referring to the fellow who was Billy Delaney's "white hope" protege, and who lost to Jack Johnson in 1909?Dongee wrote:for the record: Al Kauffman was a respected amateur and professional fight figure in the west for many years until he was killed on a Hollywood street while changing a tire on his automobile in the early 1930s
hap navarro.

