Hayes training methods

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think too much of a dramatic volte-face is being performed by a lot of people on here. Carl Thompson was a vastly more experienced fighter and we all knew going in it was a big risk.

I think it unlikely that Carl didn't train properly for this fight, I think it far more likely that he got anxious when he couldn't put Carl away, and became paralysed when he couldn't think of an alternative route to victory. Haye had very little to fall back on mentally, whereas Carl has been to the well many many times throughout his career.

[nickd]

I think too much of a dramatic volte-face is being performed by a lot of people on here. Carl Thompson was a vastly more experienced fighter and we all knew going in it was a big risk.

I think it unlikely that Carl didn't train properly for this fight, I think it far more likely that he got anxious when he couldn't put Carl away, and became paralysed when he couldn't think of an alternative route to victory. Haye had very little to fall back on mentally, whereas Carl has been to the well many many times throughout his career.

I reckon it was a mental thing aswell, Haye expected Thompson to go over and when he didnt I think it took a lot out of him mentally. He looked a beaten man after 3 rounds which was odd as he'd been doing the beating up until that point.

[knockout]

I reckon it was a mental thing aswell, Haye expected Thompson to go over and when he didnt I think it took a lot out of him mentally. He looked a beaten man after 3 rounds which was odd as he'd been doing the beating up until that point.

a few people "in the business" reckoned that if Thompson dragged himself off the floor that would be too much for Haye mentally...
They were right

[Lefthookhappy19]

The thing is with Haye, everytime he used his jab against Thompson it seemed to knock him of balance and Thompson was really bothered by it. But by the time he started using it it was the 3rd round and he was knackered. If he had have started using it in the 1st, just biding his time to set up Thompson he would have probably won.

I really think its his hate of running and wanting to look good is his problem. He maybe runs a bit then thinks, "fornicate it, this should be enough" he needs someone to really push him to his limits. Stop putting on so much muscle as well, that'll slow him down and sap his stamina.

[Boxingmad]

what do you mean by 'fancy machines'? If you're referring to cv equipment such as concept II rowers, cross trainers, stationary bikes these are excellent training tools for cardiovascular conditioning. Resistance machines less so but 'fancy' cv kit all compliment boxing training excellently. However, like any form of training, if they're not used effectively (ie the trainee not working hard enough) then of course you're not going to see the benefits.
I'm a Haye fan but just been on his website for the first time and its ludicrous. Pouting into the camera looking like a stock gayboy is frankly just embarrassing, he looks like an r&b crooner not a fighter. That alone gives plenty of ammunition to those who believe that Haye is more of an image obsessed hype job than a serious professional.

I certainly meant no disrespect to "fancy machines". On the contrary, when used correctly, they are brilliant, like you said. I think what I meant was training in a health-club environment. Full of people posing and trying to look good. Not the best place to prepare for a boxing match. You need the hard-graft atmosphere of a boxing gym. CV machines are often found here, and are put to good use. But I think you'll agree with me that a health-club full of men preening themselves and women with sexy bodies does not install a vicious mindset needed to succeed in a hard sport such as boxing.

[knockout]

anyone who trains at the same gym as Gordon Ramsey loses my respect

he has put on a lot of weight since 2001 too.... remember he was still 81kg then (just over the light heavy limit) he is now 91kg...

I think if he knew back in 2001 that the cruiser limit was going up he may have thought about turning pro as a light heavy...

[nickd]

what do you mean by 'fancy machines'? If you're referring to cv equipment such as concept II rowers, cross trainers, stationary bikes these are excellent training tools for cardiovascular conditioning. Resistance machines less so but 'fancy' cv kit all compliment boxing training excellently. However, like any form of training, if they're not used effectively (ie the trainee not working hard enough) then of course you're not going to see the benefits.
I'm a Haye fan but just been on his website for the first time and its ludicrous. Pouting into the camera looking like a stock gayboy is frankly just embarrassing, he looks like an r&b crooner not a fighter. That alone gives plenty of ammunition to those who believe that Haye is more of an image obsessed hype job than a serious professional.

I certainly meant no disrespect to "fancy machines". On the contrary, when used correctly, they are brilliant, like you said. I think what I meant was training in a health-club environment. Full of people posing and trying to look good. Not the best place to prepare for a boxing match. You need the hard-graft atmosphere of a boxing gym. CV machines are often found here, and are put to good use. But I think you'll agree with me that a health-club full of men preening themselves and women with sexy bodies does not install a vicious mindset needed to succeed in a hard sport such as boxing.

Third Space has a boxing gym also in the building.

[danzig]

Yeah i agree with you about that Boxingmad. I work in a commercial health club and its not a place where much serious training gets done, in instills a totally different mentality to what it takes to succeed in such a brutal and unforgiving sport. Then again we know that Haye gets very good quality sparring (Vaughn Bean and Sprott for this fight) so i'm just confused by what he must get up to on the conditioning front

[stujones]

If its nervous energy that makes him try and fight at 100 mph when the heat is really on (all three were big events) then it is quite possible that he will always react like this when the pressure mounts.

If you follow athletics it's what you might call the 'Jaime Baulch relay running' effect.

In his early career, Jamie used to run mainly the 200 metres. I just think he is one of those athletes who is not quite good enough for both event. He dies even in the non-relay races.

If the 300 metres was more actively run, Jamie would be a danger.

[Boxingmad]

what do you mean by 'fancy machines'? If you're referring to cv equipment such as concept II rowers, cross trainers, stationary bikes these are excellent training tools for cardiovascular conditioning. Resistance machines less so but 'fancy' cv kit all compliment boxing training excellently. However, like any form of training, if they're not used effectively (ie the trainee not working hard enough) then of course you're not going to see the benefits.
I'm a Haye fan but just been on his website for the first time and its ludicrous. Pouting into the camera looking like a stock gayboy is frankly just embarrassing, he looks like an r&b crooner not a fighter. That alone gives plenty of ammunition to those who believe that Haye is more of an image obsessed hype job than a serious professional.

I certainly meant no disrespect to "fancy machines". On the contrary, when used correctly, they are brilliant, like you said. I think what I meant was training in a health-club environment. Full of people posing and trying to look good. Not the best place to prepare for a boxing match. You need the hard-graft atmosphere of a boxing gym. CV machines are often found here, and are put to good use. But I think you'll agree with me that a health-club full of men preening themselves and women with sexy bodies does not install a vicious mindset needed to succeed in a hard sport such as boxing.

Third Space has a boxing gym also in the building.

I know. I've been there a couple of times. It's right there in the place so it still feels like a health club. It just doesn't have that gritty smell to it. Boxing people will know what I mean. You can get that wiff of sweat etc that only a boxing gym will have. Third Space hasn't got it. It's too near the rest of the health club. A no-no definately.

[knockout artist]

I thought Haye already had a girlfriend, surely Jodie was just a flag carrier?

I saw Haye's bird jumping up and down at the fight. So he must still be with her. Now she's a nice looking gal. Used to go out with Thierry Henry apparently. However, Haye is renowned for his pulling power, so u never know what he's up to.

Adam Booth is a dreadful trainer. Using all those fancy machines at the Third Space Gym and massaging his ego isn't gonna help. The time he spent with Danny Williams did no help at all. Dan was bulked up and lethargic when Booth had him for the second Sprott fight. Who's he proved himself with/ I've never seen him learning the ropes as another trainer's assistant when you should be taking it all in. He's one of the new breed who thinks he knows it all.

Adam Booth should not be training Boxers

[jamesmcdonnell]

Does anyone here know Adam Booth's background, amateur record etc? He looks very young for a boxing trainer.

[knockout artist]

Does anyone here know Adam Booth's background, amateur record etc? He looks very young for a boxing trainer.

I'm not sure he had any fights at all. I certainly never heard of him when I was fighting in London.

He should not be training fighters. Haye should be with someone like Jimmy Tibbs, or Jim Evans. Or if they really want him to progress put some money up and get Teddy Atlas involved.

[nickd]

According to the Third Space website he was an amateur boxer no more details than that however.

[MightyWarrior]

Maybe he'll find it somewhere down the line, but at the moment, it seems to me, David Haye lacks the mental strength to be a world class fighter.

To put it bluntly, when the going gets tough....he folds.

When Carl shook of his best shots, and he suddenly found himself in a war, well...he didn't last too long did he.
There was non of the back to the wall desparation that fighters like Benn show - a win at all costs attitude.
The same thing surfaced when he was amateur, when the Cuban survived his opening salvo and came back to stop a disheartened, tiring Haye.

[JC]

Let's not get on his case too early, it may turn out Thompson was a valuable learning experience for him.

[knockout]

Thompson of course lost to Crawford Ashley as a novice himself!!!!

[d]

Does anyone here know Adam Booth's background, amateur record etc? He looks very young for a boxing trainer.

I don't think age has much to do with anything to be honest.

[adamiw]

Does anyone here know Adam Booth's background, amateur record etc? He looks very young for a boxing trainer.

I don't think age has much to do with anything to be honest.

experience does.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Does anyone here know Adam Booth's background, amateur record etc? He looks very young for a boxing trainer.

I don't think age has much to do with anything to be honest.

I was merely noting how young he looked, it's unusual to see such a young a fresh-faced trainer training high profile fighters. For instance, Freddie Roach is considered to be a young trainer, and he's in his 40's, and Booth looks younger still. Just an observation. It's just that in booth's case i don't know a lot about his background.

[d]

Does anyone here know Adam Booth's background, amateur record etc? He looks very young for a boxing trainer.

I don't think age has much to do with anything to be honest.

experience does.

true,i wasn't referring to experience tho,just stating that age in my opinion isn't much of a factor.