Many of you may have read this, if this is the case, click the old back button now. For those who haven't I thought it was a brillaint interview and enjoyed it so much i thought I'd post it here in its entirety. Again I apologise for those who have either already read it or smply aren't interested.
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Boxingtalk.com's Greg Leon was able to get a hold of former undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, "Iron" Mike Tyson last night. Tyson informed Boxingtalk.com that he was unaware of any of the details surrounding the dispute involving Shelly Finkel and Ted Watley, and of any 50% split with Ted Watley. He also voiced concerns about who was looking out for Mike Tyson's interest as opposed to their own. Some of the language is raw, but in fairness to Mike he was confronted with a lot of information that he was kept in the dark on. During the second half of an nearly 90 minute interview, at Mike's request Shelly Finkel and later, Ted Watley were added to the call. The exchanges that ensued could represent the biggest story in boxing this year. It appears that both Mr. Finkel and Mr. Watley will have a lot of explaing to do...to Mike Tyson, if to no one else. In the interest of serving our readers and boxing the real deal, these conversations will be transcribed in their entirity and we will be giving them to you FREE OF CHARGE.
GL: How are you feeling Mike?
Mike Tyson: "I'm doing okay, my leg hurts a little and I'm really disappointed by what happened at the fight. Everybody thought it was a great fight and it's been many years since I looked that well. I'm very disappointed and I know it's really nothing for my career, because guys lose, come back and win titles all the time, but I was very disappointed because I trained so hard.
GL: In this first round it looked like Vintage Mike Tyson, was it disappointing to you to have that injury...
MT: (cutting in) "You know people told me, I haven't seen the fight and I'm hurt to see the fight. I don't know, I'm just trying to get my shit together and get on the road without getting frustrated or discouraged. It's very discouraging for me to get back on the road, and you get disappointed sometimes with yourself. Matter fact, you're talking to me right now and it would kill you if this same story would go somewhere else, that would fornicate you up for real! Can you picture that disappointment? I know you could picture it, but that's the way I feel with the fight."
GL: It's like you can taste the success in the ring and then as quick as you could taste it....
MT: (cutting in animated) "Aw man! That was the word I couldn't put my fingers on but I felt it all coming to me, I was ready to knock this guy out and become a sensation again and then pow, oh shit, I'm going to get my bitches back, I'm going to get this money back, I'm going to get it all back.
GL: Obviously, you have no doubts that if that knee injury never took place Williams wouldn't last another round?
MT: "That fight was getting ready to be over, if he would have gotten hit one more that fight would have been over. But now it's just so fucked up. All of these people are out making stories that this guy was too tough for me or this guy was this, or this guy was that, but people should know this guy wasn't too tough for me. He was a journeyman but that fight was about to be over. He fought back and he was gallant, and the bravest thing he did was step in that ring with me."
GL: I've been in the middle of Shelly Finkel and Ted Watley for the past two days, I know you probably don't get on the net much...
MT: "I wish I knew how to work the motherfucker, then I would.
GL: Ted Watley and Shelly Finkel have been going back and forth for the past two days on my website. (I then gave Mike the chain of events that led to the original story and how everything has gone in the past two days, we got to the point where I told him Shelly Finkel said Ted Watley was being brought in as a father-figure type, Tyson erupted with the following!
MT: "Do you think I need any of those motherfuckers to be a father-figure? I hope he didn't say that because out of everything that offended me the most. Ain't no motherfucker out there my father, these motherfuckers don't give a damn about me like that. If my father was around he would have acted like a father and dealt with some of these guys that abused me. If Shelly thinks he needs to bring in a father-figure then Shelly's a fool. I'm the man now, they're my sons. All of those guys, Shelly, Ted, all those guys, they're all my sons, I'm nobody's son. They're my motherfucking sons. How the fornicate could any of them be Mike Tyson's father? They don't got the pedigree. Regardless of their lifestyles or schooling they don't got the pedigree for this type of shit.
GL: Did you know that Shelly Finkel was giving Ted Watley 50% of what earned with you for serving as a father-figure?
MT: "Do you think I belive any of those motherfuckers? I like everybody but I don't want to deal with these guys where you got two men fighting over me, don't they know they're embarrassing me? Two men fighting over me, I'm embarrased that they're doing that shit, but do they care about how I feel? Don't you think they're embarrassing me with you telling me all this shit. I didn't know nothing about this and this is an embarrassment. Do you think they're aware of that?
"Once they're good friends in love with each other and now they don't like each other anymore. If Shelly was doing something wrong, why would he invite (Watley) to come in and help him come in and then say Shelly's doing wrong? (Watley's) doing that because he's saying that 100% is better than 50%. I'm not saying that's what it is, but people kind of think that I'm a stupid motherfucker because sometimes I show apathetic attitudes towards certain things in life, but I see everything that's going on. You've got these two grown men fighting over me and they ought to be ashamed. I didn't know anything and I hadn't been appraised on shit that was going on, but I hope they realize how foolish they look and how embarrassed I am.
"Now that I think about it, a lady friend of mine did tell me they were saying some nasty things and it's really embarrassing because don't none of them motherfuckers give a shit about me because they don't give a shit about how embarrassed I feel right now. I don't even want to do this shit sometimes when you got motherfuckers fighting over me. Can Mike Tyson finish his career without two grown men fighting over his big black dick? I don't know why these guys are doing this humiliating shit. It's like I can't deal with my loss with any dignity."
"But when people see how I generate that money and see how I fill those seats and the tickets are not given away like on other promoter's fights, when people see those seats as cold hard currency and there's no free rides, crazy shit happens! I'm the kind of guy, and I was talking to a young lady friend of mine who asked me, did you ever think you would be this big? I said, 'no my intentions were not to fascinate the world with my personality, I just wanted the boxing world to bear witness to my existence.' I didn't know that I was going to be some big world-wide motherfucker when I walk the streets of Paris the whole block shuts down, but I'm the kind of guy who likes to stay on the down low.
"I like do things other people might look at as kind of funny, because as you get older that's not what's happening. As you get older, all that fun, fame and fortune isn't what you think it's going to be."
GL: I bet sometimes you wish you could walk down the street like a normal person.
MT: "And having a girl go out with me, and I have to worry about her turning me down because if she does, it's in the paper. I don't even go to the parties because I don't what the fornicate might happen. I want to walk in the club try to get laid but I'm scared because I don't know if this girl's going to say I raped her. So when I'm out, I'm sweating like a pimp with one hoe!"
GL: Will you fight again, or are you just focusing on getting healthy again?
MT: "Right now I'm just getting therapy on my leg. I'm walking around and doing good though. I was in deep shit though because it's like I'm starting all over again, learning how to walk. This is the only thing that has ever intimidated me about fighting. After all of these years fighting, this thing with my leg is the only thing that prevented me from fighting. I never worried about brain damage or anything like that, but when my leg got fucked up it put me in another environment. I kind of realized that I'm as tough as I think am, (laughs) I may have to deal with the possibility of the reality that I might have some bitch in me know because this leg shit hurts!"
"But back to these motherfuckers embarrassing me, that's humiliating.(Sarcastically) Make sure you put it in your strory that I'm sure they're doing this in my best interest because they truly care about me. But let them fight because I might find out something I need to know. As a matter of fact, we're going to make this really hot, I want you to put these guys on the phone with us because we're going to make a big story out of it this time."
At this point, Boxingtalk.com conferenced in Shelly Finkel, who later conferenced in Ted Watley. Part 2 will be dropping tomorrow, stay tuned to see what was said once Finkel got on the phone, you definitely don't want to miss it!
After speaking on the telephone with former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson (that conversation is available as part one of this series), Tyson came up with the idea of doing a conference call between the two of us and his manager, Shelly Finkel. The result of the conference call became this, part two of Boxingtalk’s exclusive three-part series dealing with the management situation of Mike Tyson in the wake of his loss to Danny Williams. Once Finkel was conferenced in with Tyson and me, the former champ asked me to tell Finkel what we had been discussing. I said to Finkel, "I've been telling Mike what's going on between you and Ted Watley and Mike basically said that it's very embarrassing that two grown men are fighting over his black dick like that." Finkel laughed, at which point Mike came in and said,
"I'm not laughing at shit Shelly. Y'all really embarrassed me, you're two grown men." Click here for the rest of the conversation between me, Mike Tyson and Shelly Finkel.
Part three of the series throws Watley into the conference call mix, but Watley wound up hanging up his phone after a few minutes of heated conversation. Get ready for part two of the biggest story in boxing, only on Boxingtalk.com -- bringing you the interviews and stories that nobody else can!
Shelly Finkel: "(Watley's) the one who started it, not me."
Mike Tyson: "Naw, but you're really embarrassing me. My girlfriend is calling me telling me about how this shit is ugly. I introuduced the both of you to my girlfriend and I thought we were supposed to be a team, everybody was cool for my well being, but now we got motherfuckers fighting, you guys don't give a fornicate about my well being. You tell me reporter what you told me about Shelly and how he wouldn't give you the second paper."
Greg Leon: "Shelly, I just told Mike what's happened and how it happened. He told me he was completely in the dark and I explained to him how Ted Watley called me to start this all off. Ted Watley said you were his partner, you said you weren't. You read section four of your agreement with Watley to me and you only wanted to fax me the second page with section four and I told you if you're only giving me one out of two pages, you're only giving me half of the story...
Shelly Finkel: "Right and then I gave you the whole thing (on Tuesday)."
Greg Leon: "Today (Tuesday). I told Mike that I did an interview with Ted Watley and read it to you before it came out, I told Mike that Ted Watley came on the record talking about the contract stipulating he is entitled to 50% of what you make off of Mike. Then today I got the contract from you and all of the remarks that you made that appear in your interview."
Mike Tyson: "And what did it say in the contract, that he was his partner right?
Shelly Finkel: "No! It says specifically that he's not my partner."
Mike Tyson: "Is that what the contract said?"
Greg Leon: "The contract said that Ted Watley is not legally his partner, but he's entitled to 50% of what Shelly makes."
Mike Tyson: "Is that true Shelly?"
Shelly Finkel: "Yeah, but that's from me."
Mike Tyson: "Why do I need this guy, do I need him as a father-figure? What do I need him for?"
Shelly Finkel: "You don't need him at all, and that's why I'm shocked at what he's done."
Mike Tyson: "The reporter explained to me, reporter tell him what you explained to me...."
Greg Leon: "About?"
Mike Tyson: "The father-figure."
Greg Leon: "Shelly, when I asked you what the reasoning behind bringing Ted Watley in was, you said to be a father-figure to Mike.
Shelly Finkel: "What did I say originally before I got to know him?"
Greg Leon: "Pardon me?"
Mike Tyson: (cutting in) "But Shelly you told this gentleman that you brought him in as a father-figure to me?"
Shelly Finkel: "As part of when he went to help you with Desiree."
Mike Tyson: "No, no. Shit, somebody call this man on the phone. Let's have a conference call because I'm over here looking like an asshole like I don't know what's going on with my business. The reporter called me and I feel like I'm an asshole because I don't know what's going on with my business and I got two grown men fighting over me on some bullshit. Let's get Ted on the line and have a real pow-wow."
Greg Leon: "I can only conference in one and that was Shelly."
Mike Tyson: "Can you do it Shelly?"
Shelly Finkel: "You have his number, I don't."
Mike Tyson: "He's your partner so you need to have his number."
Shelly Finkel: "He's not my partner Mike, he never was my partner."
Mike Tyson: "Okay, well why are you giving him 50% of your money then?"
Shelly Finkel: "Because at the time he lied to me which Jackie explained to me recently. He conned me about you Mike."
Mike Tyson: "I just want y'all to know and I'm not going to go into details over the phone, but me and reporter man will call him after we're finished. I just want you to know that you guys have no care for my well being and you're truly embarrassing me. Don't you guys see that I'm a human being? I've got heart, I've got dignity, I've got family and I got my girl reading this shit."
Shelly Finkel: "Greg, did I not ask you not to write this?"
Mike Tyson: "But fornicate that because Greg got to write his shit!"
Greg Leon: "Before the first story went out, Shelly told me not to run with it."
Mike Tyson: "But he's a reporter and if he doesn't run with it he'll never become a track star. Listen, I'm humiliated. Everybody is looking at me like I'm the sucker...
Shelly Finkel: "Not you, me Mike."
Mike Tyson: "No it's me nigga. People are going to be looking at me like some stupid motherfucker, that y'all got my money. Y'all got 50% of my shit here, he got 50% of your shit, but I'm the jackass here. It's all because of me. Why did you allow somebody like this to jump on your ship? I don't know."
Shelly Finkel: "I told you a while ago that the guy was asking for this and that and we both said that the guy is a con-man. And then we both said, what do we like con-men for."
Mike Tyson: "fornicate what we said Shelly, I'm just asking you why you would bring in this motherfucker if you feel he's no good? Now I got to hear him running his mouth. My girl tells me about the shit on the internet, I guess that's because you guys care about me so much that's why you're doing such a good job of protecting me from the media. Isn't that supposed to be a part of your job too? But you let this motherfucker in and you know he used to be Don King's right hand man."
Shelly Finkel: "I thought he was going to help you with Desiree, that's how it all began."
Mike Tyson: "Nobody is going to help me with Desiree because Desiree's cousin just called and said she's going to testify to break her silence. Don't you know that?"
Shelly Finkel: "And who gave her the information?"
Mike Tyson: "Well, I don't know."
Shelly Finkel: "Me!"
Mike Tyson: "Well Shelly that doesn't mean you're a great guy. The information is public, you didn't go in privately and come out with that information. If you would have dont that the information would have been a fornicating gold mine! But the information was public any lawyer could have gotten it. The fact is, y'all two men are fighting and crying over some bullshit and I don't got no fornicating money. The only thing I know is when I broke my fornicating leg, I don't got nobody now! I don't got no fornicating money, whatever money I got I have to give to this IRS guy and the money I do got, I don't have enough money to do shit with. I've just got to save it like a fornicating mizer."
Greg Leon: "And Shelly, you were conferenced in at Mike's request by the way."
Mike Tyson: "Yeah, I just want everybody to know what's going on. Nobody gives a fornicate. I feel that I've fallen off the world now that I fucked my leg up nobody is coming to see my black ass. But when my fight was going everybody was here all the fornicating time! Was it really like that? Is that all I am to you guys is a dollar piece? Am I another Meldrick Taylor who everybody loves so much that I'll go out without even knowing how to spell my name or know my fornicating kids name? I'm not saying you're a bad guy Shelly, Ted gave him my number, but why didn't Ted get on the phone with me. I'm not on Shelly's side or Ted's side, but why hasn't Ted gotten on the phone with me? Everybody wants to manipulate with me and use me for some bullshit. Nobody would be talking about Ted if my name wasn't in this, but that's how the ball bounces sometimes I guess."
Ted Watley joins the conversation in Part 3 as Boxingtalk.com, continues to bring you what no one else can!
Part three of Boxingtalk’s exclusive conversation with Mike Tyson, Shelly Finkel and Ted Watley is a four-way conference call between these three men and Greg Leon. Boxingtalk subscribers get to be a fly on the wall as the former heavyweight champion of the world has it out with his manager and advisor.
Watley has a contract with Finkel that entitles him to half of whatever Finkel’s earnings generated by Tyson. Once Watley was conferenced, here is how conversation went:
Tyson said, "How are you doing Ted? I've got Shelly Finkel on with me and I've got Greg, the brother you told to call me today. What's happening here? From what I heard everybody is going back and forth making a fool out of me. Tell him what's in your paper Greg." Watley cut in before I said a word, "I could tell you what I said Michael. What I'm saying is that Shelly has been lying to you from day one and in the fight in Louisville [in which an injured Tyson was knocked out by Danny Williams], Kentucky he ripped you off again."
Mike Tyson: "No, no, no. Don't show nothing. Just tell me brother, I want to know. You can tell me before you show it because I want to know."
Ted Watley: "And if he doesn't sue me I'm suing him."
Shelly Finkel: "That's fine Ted, you'll be sued this week."
Mike Tyson: "Just give me my information though. I want you guys to tell me the same shit you've been telling Greg."
Ted Watley: "What I'm telling the reporter is that Shelly Finkel has been deceiving you from day one. I'm also telling the reporter that for the Louisville fight you've been deceived again. The only difference between you being deceived then and now is that I have the right to test Shelly's actions, take him into a courtroom and prove my point."
Shelly Finkel: "Well I'm going to be there Ted, so we'll see what happens."
Ted Watley: "Shelly claims that he's going to sue me which I hope he does."
Shelly Finkel: "I am."
Mike Tyson: “Why is my shit being avoided here? Nobody wants to answer me. What did Shelly do to me since I'm a dumb motherfucker who doesn't know what was going on?”
Ted Watley: "He deceived you, he totally deceived you, that's what he did."
Mike Tyson: "How did he deceive me? What did he do?"
Ted Watley: "With all this crap he's telling you about you owe Showtime. You don't owe those motherfuckers nothing!"
Mike Tyson: "You know I agree with you on that 100%. I agree with you on that one."
Ted Watley: "And now they've got a guy who they can't pay off and they can't trick. See the trick that Shelly Finkel uses Michael, he does things he shouldn't because nobody will really challenge him like me. Another thing, he thinks he's slick enough to fool a courtroom. If he feels he's so clever, but he has met a guy who is 61 years-old and I told you going in Michael, from the very first day we started, I'm not going to let nobody fornicate you, including Shelly Finkel."
Mike Tyson: "Really?"
Ted Watley: "And I'm telling you that this guy here has done nothing but deceive you from day one. And I trusted him here."
Shelly Finkel: "And you have nothing but lied on this phone Ted. You've been nothing but a liar on this phone."
Ted Watley: "I trusted in him Michael and in trusting in him, I've found out that this man is one of the biggest liars I've ever done business with in my life. I hope to God he sues me...”
Shelly Finkel: "I'm going to so your wishes will be met."
Mike Tyson: "But do you guys understand that this has humiliated me? Hello?"
Ted Watley: (continuing to talk over Mike) "Once we get into a federal court he will have to produce everything that I ask for. And I'm going to take you into that courtroom and show you that without any doubt what I am talking about. And if he thinks he's slick enough to con the courts, that's cool because I can't wait to get there. That's what we're talking."
Shelly Finkel: "Everything he's said is a lie."
Ted Watley: "We'll see about that Shelly, I don't hear your bullshit, you talk to Michael. I'm gone!" (Watley hangs up on his call)
Shelly Finkel: "Everything he told you Mike is a lie and it will be proven."
Mike Tyson: "I'm sure."
Shelly Finkel: "He is a total con-artist."
Mike Tyson: "I guess these guys all think I'm some mundane lethargic beast that they could rip-off since Don King did a good job. I guess it's pervasive that I'm just a sap."
Shelly Finkel: "But you know better with me."
Mike Tyson: "After talking with Greg, I don't know shit!"
Greg Leon: "And Shelly, I just want to make it clear that all I've done is tell Mike what's been going on, what's happened and some of the things that have been said along the way."
Shelly Finkel: "I didn't think you would lie about it."
Greg Leon: "Well all I told Mike was what happened and the order that it happened, because he was in the dark."
Mike Tyson: "In the dark big-time Greg, thank you!"
Shelly Finkel: "Greg, all I wanted to say is you got a phone call where the guy accused me of this, that and this. I put on every person, Jonathan Blue and all of the people he accused. They got on the phone with you and told you different. You ran your two pieces, then yesterday he came on again and I gave you the contract for you to see."
Greg Leon: "The first piece is where you told me you were bringing him as a father figure hoping he can relate better to Mike on certain issues."
Mike Tyson: "Why because he's a person? So he can talk to me and he can relate because we have the same skin color? As long I've known you Shelly, you think because he's a fornicating person he can talk to me? Because he's a person he can talk to me? Do you think it came to that now?”
Shelly Finkel: "Not at all!"
Mike Tyson: "You can't understand him so you need a person to understand him. You don't understand me Shelly you've known me since I was fourteen years old!"
Shelly Finkel: "Mike, what was the first time I brought you with him? With all of the footage he said he had for you. I asked Jackie about it today and she said he's a con-artist."
Mike Tyson: "After all I've been through in my life publicly, do you think I give a fornicate about you trying to save me and over some reputation with somebody else?"
Shelly Finkel: "No!"
Mike Tyson: "I don't care about what anyone thinks about me but you're supposed to protect me, but you let somebody come into our little world. Why did you even let him into our world?”
Shelly Finkel: "Because I made a mistake.”
Mike Tyson: "So I have to pay for your mistake."
Shelly Finkel: "I'm paying..."
Mike Tyson: "But my name is the main topic of this motherfucker."
Shelly Finkel: "He accused me. He didn't say you."
Mike Tyson: "He accused you of what? He accused you of fornicating over Mike Tyson."
Shelly Finkel: "And it's bullshit and the thing is...”
Mike Tyson: "No, no, no. It's not bullshit when people like Greg and Michael Katz get a hold of it. It makes me look like the proverbial dumb sap motherfucker."
Shelly Finkel: "And then when I beat his ass in court, it will show that it wasn't. I'm suing him. I've already retained counsel and that's being done. When that is done you will look how it is, that you went with the right people and you never were screwed."
Mike Tyson: "I'm going to be real with you Greg, the only reason I'm doing this shit is because they talked me into a good motherfucker, paying my bills and taking care of my shit. If it wasn't for me trying to be a decent person and be an honest man and pay my bills which these people amounted on me and caused me to own, because it's not my fault that I owe this kind of bill. But if I wasn't trying to be a decent man for my children I would say fornicate these motherfuckers and this bill and what they say I owe them. All they do is use me, they try to manipulate me. If you don't do this we're going to fornicate up your kids life and trust fund and I was basically intimidated to fight against all of these people because of what they were going to do, the repercussions would have affected my children."
Shelly Finkel: "And that's the truth Greg, he's doing this for his kids."
Mike Tyson: "You don't even have to say shit Shelly, I don't need nobody to co-sign that. I'm doing this for my kids, but whatever I'm doing is for their best interest. Everybody benefits from this but me, I don't get no money from these bullshit fights and I don't want to do this shit no more Greg. I go through this shit, pay a bill and then it's on to something else, whatever it is. But all these guys don't give a fornicate about me and it's fucked up out here and it just is what it is. Me and Cus worked so hard to become the best fighter that God produced and this is what happened, I fall into the hands of scumbag motherfuckers who feed me to the wolves and just look at me as a meal ticket or a mattress to sleep on. It's a sad sight, but it is what it is. Nobody is doing this because they care about my well-being, they want that dollar. And I can't blame them, but it just is what it is. It's a fornicating tragic story, I'm never going to have no money no more. By the way my situation is so fucked up I will never again be a rich man financially. It's an ugly story but I'm making the most of it.”
"These motherfuckers say they care about me like a father and son, but they see how I'm living, I'm fucked up and they can't help me get a nice place to live. I'm fucked out here Greg living like a bum. They can't even put money together to get me a nice place to live and get on my feet. That's the kind of team I got. Did you know that Greg?"
Greg Leon: "No I didn't know that."
Mike Tyson: “Well that's the kind of team I got, they love me so much and they care about so much that I'm fucked up out here doing horrendous. They love me so much they won't even chip in together to help me get a job where I can make some money on the side. Nothing."
Shelly Finkel: "That's what I did today."
Mike Tyson: "Naw, y'all just want to keep me fighting. Y'all don't want me to get a job, you just want me to fight, fight, fight. If it wasn't for my children and I wasn't a Muslim... I'm trying to be a decent Muslim and being a Muslim a helluva thing Greg because it's a very complex religion. My life has changed over the last three months and I want to be a decent person now because I know every decision I make is a big one so I always keep things in perspective and I'm conscious of my actions but we all know what the story is, the boxer and his great managers and promoters, they love him like a son because he's different than other niggers, he's special. You know how that situation turns out. At one time I thought I was better than those guys and it would never happen to me, I guess I'm no better than Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali. I'm just keeping it real Greg and it is what is."
Greg Leon: "Are you there Shelly?"
Shelly Finkel: "Yes."
Mike Tyson: "You know what it is Greg, if a motherfucker cared about me I wouldn't be in the situation that I'm in. I'm known all over the world and people know who I am. These champs can't go all over the world and have people know who they are, but the fact is, I'm the big fool they could have their money I don't have mine. I might be this big time superstar but I'm truly a pauper. These guys are fighting and I have don't have nothing and they're fighting for something."
Shelly Finkel: "I wasn't fighting, I was defending myself on it. I didn't start it."
Mike Tyson: "I hear you brother, but this is not about you, this is about me telling Greg how I feel. I know what you're doing Shelly because we're all defending ourselves, I'm just tired of defending myself on my own shit. I used to have over 100 people around, now I'm surprised that I got my son and his mother around me, but they're starting to get tired of my shit now so I'm going to have to find a new place and get the fornicate out of here because you know how they get tired of your shit sometimes? They're tired of my shit because I'm not living the way a Muslim should be living, and that means that I'm going to have to find somebody else to shack up with like a motherfucking vagrant! They're fighting over me and I damn near homeless. I got to go from one person's house to another, I'll probably have to kiss somebody's ass but I have to do what I need to do until I get back on my feet. I will never be super rich like I was before, but I'm going to be on my grind."
Greg Leon: Is there anything else you'd like to say Shelly?
Shelly Finkel: "I don't believe that's the end of it and I don't believe that's how Mike will end up. I've had some talks about a house for you out in Phoenix today, but I want to see you first."
Mike Tyson: "Everybody has been trying to do things for months and years and I'm still in my situation. I've heard that story before.”
Shelly Finkel: “By the way Mike, I introduced you to Greg in Jersey....”
Mike Tyson: "I don't know Greg's ass like that but he called me and told me some good shit today and I'm vibing with him. But I'm just explaining myself to Greg, you don't have nothing to say Shelly, I'm talking to Greg about me. This is about me Greg and my pain. You want the story nigga, this is what it is. Mike is out here grinding man. I'm here living with somebody and they're tired of my shit, so I'm going to have to bounce soon but I don't see these motherfuckers trying to get me out of here for nothing. I'm probably going to have to go...who am I going to have to bullshit to stay over their house now? Am I going to have to stay with somebody I don't like anymore? I'm too old for that bullshit and I need my own situation."
Greg Leon: "You just made $2M, how are you shacking up from one place to the other?”
Mike Tyson: "Because I've got to build my bank account back up baby. I've got to build my shit back up so I'm going to have to eat shit now. I got kids over here and shit, he needs a bank account. Everybody else got money, all my other kids got a bunch of millions why not him? Is he going to be the only cousin to beg for money and they're going to be looking at him like he's some weird motherfucker? That's just the way it is, and that money should go to him too, but I've got to start my scratch again because that's their shit. I've made money and blew my money and let these dirty, stinking motherfuckers take my money already. I don't got no money, this their money.”
"My leg fucked me up and I did a lot of thinking because this is my last hurrah really and it's just a helluva thing. I don't want to do this no more Greg, I don't got that instinct no more. I don't know what happened to me that night but the preparation didn't come out and I just don't got that shit no more, you know Greg?”
Greg Leon: "You don't feel it anymore."
Mike Tyson: "Naw, I don't feel like that motherfucker who wants to kill everybody kittens, go into the house and leave the house a bloody mess. I'm not that person no more. I like hanging out with my children and my birds now. I got to be that person sometimes and I portray that person to help me get a dollar because I can't make no money being a decent guy. I can't be presentable to these people because they'll think I'm out of my fornicating mind. I have to be a beast, I have to curse at these people, talk about their mothers and fornicating them up their ass, but I'm not the guy I portray myself to be when I'm doing my thing."
GL:" Do you feel that if you decided to never fight again that one of the major networks would step up to the plate with a commentating gig for you?"
Mike Tyson: "Oh hell no, they think I'm a dumb stag. They don't think I'm qualified for that shit, they respect my skills as a fighter they don't respect me as a man or as a human being, just as a fighter. I'm like an animal to them, a savage. But if I need to feed my kids being a savage, they're going to have Jack The Ripper on their hands.”
GL: Do you feel that would be a gig would be able to excel at if given the opportunity?
Shelly Finkel: "Excuse me Mike, when you did your videos, you commentated the best on that with the most knowledge."
Mike Tyson: "That's true but look at my record, I'm the rapist and the violent man."
Shelly Finkel: "But the guys who wouldn't talk you before called me today on you."
Mike Tyson: "Say what?"
Shelly Finkel: "Electronic Arts who in the past wouldn't do a video game with you are now calling me for you."
Mike Tyson: "You know what Shelly? You shouldn't handle that because you're a boxing man, you should hand that to somebody who handles that business."
Shelly Finkel: "I've done that for twenty years when I was in the music business."
Mike Tyson: "Please trust me Shelly, if you're going to work with me you need to work with me on my fights. Have those guys call me and I'll have them talk to my lawyer. You can't help me with everything, it can't be like that brother. If you want to help me with my fights, help me with that when we get everything settled, but other than that stay out of everything else. Please, nobody is going to help me and nobody gives a fornicate about me unless I got those gloves on. I'm out here trying to feed these kids and nobody is trying to help me feed these kids. These motherfuckers don't got no money over here, do you think we have money over here Shelly?”
Shelly Finkel: "No."
Mike Tyson: "We've got no money over here, but he just got $2M, but I don't have shit. I don't feel any less of a man than anyone on this planet"
Greg Leon: "Over the past few days the current status of how you're living didn't really come up."
Mike Tyson: "But it did come out and that's the effective part. What you're talking about with Shelly and Ted is bullshit, that's person ass greedy shit. These guys are playing, I don't know what kind of game they're playing, but Shelly brought the guy in. So whatever happened, that's Shelly's fault."
Shelly Finkel: "Agreed and I accept that."
Mike Tyson: "And I don't know if we've opened a Pandora's box, I don't know shit just don't look right. Both of these guys are living well in their homes and they're fighting over me, who is basically homeless with nowhere to go. I don't have a residence with my motherfucking signature on it. They're beasting over me. Why aren't they beasting over how they're going to help Mike? Help me get on my feet? Why don't they fight about that instead of fighting over some fornicating money. Since they care about me like father's and all that bullshit, why don't they help me when I'm fucked up with a low self esteem because of my situation, but I got to stay strong because I got a little boy who has to look up to me. I need to keep up that front because what I really want to do might be inconceivable."
GL: "What do you really want to do?"
Mike Tyson: "I really just want to say the hell with this shit but I got responsibility out here. It's a bad enough they think I'm a serial rapist, I at least have to pay my bills, I don't want them to think I'm dishonest, it's bad enough they think I'm a fornicating criminal. I'm not no reporter kind of guy, but I'm so happy you called me man. My girl was calling me from New York and told me there was some ugly shit on the internet with what Ted and them were saying about each other and about you. I've got all my business in disarray and you have two sixty year old men talking like bitches. Y'all are supposed to be guys I'm working in business and we supposed to work together but y'all can't keep your shit together. You bring this guy, and I don't know why you bring him in, maybe you thought this person was going to control me. I don't even know what the situation was but I'm not even going to get there and it's just sick. Sometimes I'm probably glad it happened this way it did because it was all done for the wrong fornicating reasons."
GL: Shelly already proved to me that he and Ted Watley aren't legally partners and he says he's going to prove everything else wrong in court.
Mike Tyson: "I'll believe that when it happens. It's an ugly thing man that these people are going through this shit and they think that I'm the only one in the center of this shit. I'm always the fornicating target but why can't I go to bed without anybody that loves me reading about some crazy ass shit in the paper."
Shelly Finkel: "But what do you do when a guy attacks you like he did? I didn't want that. I didn't want it to bother me, him, you or anyone."
Mike Tyson: "But it did because you brought him in my circle, that's what happened."
Shelly Finkel: "Right, and the thing is I brought the guy in because he was going to be a good guy for all of us, I thought he had all the stuff on tape and I am wrong. He started all this shit and now I'm going to correct it. I would have gone on with my mistake when it was over, but now I realize different. I was warned about it, people told me. Now the guy attacked and I will defend it, that's all I will do and I will not try to keep you in the middle of it."
Mike Tyson: "Thank you Shelly. But Greg like I said, I'm not in this game. I'm here physically, but if I was in this fornicating game all these fornicating guys would be fornicating dead, and their mother's would be running into the ring crying because I knocked them unconscious."
Greg Leon: "This is a conversation that Mike wanted on the record Shelly, how do you feel about that?"
Shelly Finkel: "Whatever he wants is fine."
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THE BIG TYSON INTERVIEW - BY BOXINGTALK
I dont know anything about Leon, wonder if the interview ended up as good more by fault than design??
Like you say its a good interview, think if I was interviewing Tyson I'd be up his arse too though, wonder where his future lies, I hope he dosent end up as a frek show side-show fighter...... oh wait.
Like you say its a good interview, think if I was interviewing Tyson I'd be up his arse too though, wonder where his future lies, I hope he dosent end up as a frek show side-show fighter...... oh wait.
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Dynamite Dean Phillips
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overhand_right
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whats truly embarrassing is that in the 80s mike used to talk in normal english.
now hes pushing 40 hes adopted all this ridiculous ebonics hip hop pimp motherfucker slang and frankly i think its pretty stupid. 'yall this and yall that' too... i didnt know mike was from southern america, there was me thinking he was NYC.
just listen to mike talk and what he says. this guy is a complete cretin.
now hes pushing 40 hes adopted all this ridiculous ebonics hip hop pimp motherfucker slang and frankly i think its pretty stupid. 'yall this and yall that' too... i didnt know mike was from southern america, there was me thinking he was NYC.
just listen to mike talk and what he says. this guy is a complete cretin.
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MightyWarrior
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i read this interview and just thought what a shit stirrer leon is.
I dont like reading his stories, and I especially hate the way he always "bigs himself up".
This story is neither here nor there, because Tyson seems to be saying to Leon what he wants him to hear, I think that its nice on the surface, but once Tysons had a think about it (and a proper chat with shelly alone) he'll probably realise he got caught up in the heat of the moment.
Expect to hear about the "greatness" of this story and Leon for many years to come.
I dont like reading his stories, and I especially hate the way he always "bigs himself up".
This story is neither here nor there, because Tyson seems to be saying to Leon what he wants him to hear, I think that its nice on the surface, but once Tysons had a think about it (and a proper chat with shelly alone) he'll probably realise he got caught up in the heat of the moment.
Expect to hear about the "greatness" of this story and Leon for many years to come.
Leon loves it...just coming in with his little comments from time to time...and then wanking over what a great interview. Credit, he saw the situation and capatilised on it completely.
And the reason it's free....fornicate off it's cos boxingtalk are nice people...i think there is more to that. Leon would be just as bad as those 2 chumps...making money at Tyson's humilitaing expense.
you are right...we'll be reminded time and time again by btalk about this interview...they have zero class. Maxboxing and fightnews piss all over them.
And the reason it's free....fornicate off it's cos boxingtalk are nice people...i think there is more to that. Leon would be just as bad as those 2 chumps...making money at Tyson's humilitaing expense.
you are right...we'll be reminded time and time again by btalk about this interview...they have zero class. Maxboxing and fightnews piss all over them.