HAYE-VALUEV sky ppv, A GOOD THING?

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:28

The latter.

Deadendgeneration · Post by **Deadendgeneration** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:34

I'll probably be streaming it on the internet depending on what kind of cable I can get in Korea but the sky hype will be big for sure. Wouldn't be suprised though if we get people paying up in the hope of seeing him KO'ed

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:35

Doesn't PPV depend more on the popularity of the fighters though? I mean as exciting as David Haye is he isn't as well known as say Hatton or Khan. I could sit in a pub with a dozen mates who know nothing about boxing and ask them who Hatton and Khan are and they'll say "boxers" ask them who David Haye is though I'll get "David who?" same if I asked them about Carl Froch. Very few of them could tell you who the Klitschko brothers are never mind who Valuev is. Sky and Haye are going to have to do some serious hyping of this event to increase PPV sales - no doubt they'll go down the David and Goliath route.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:38

This fight we sell, Haye got good viewing figures on Setanta.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:52

Where are these figures of which you speak? I've not seen any amazing figures being touted around.

I am sick of paying through the nose for boxing quite frankly. You can watch the world cup or champions league finals for free, why do we have to pay for everything in boxing?

I won't pay for this, but would have done for Haye v Wlad or Vitali.

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:54

Without PPV the fight wouldn't happen.
Necessary evil I'm afraid.
I think it will do ok.
The Heavyweight scene always captures the joe public attention more than any other weight division.
David has good PR skills.

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:56

Appreciate what you're saying James but how could there possibly be enough revenue raised to make this fight happen without PPV ?
You have the ultimate say as have the masses.
Don't pay, don't switch on.

gemmell · Post by **gemmell** » 23 Jul 2009, 07:57

how can david haye get on ppv but carl froch can't get any tv broadcaster in britain..DISGUSTING!! OH YES AND VALUEV NEEDS THE ELECTRIC CHAIR HE IS SHOCKING!!

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:03

i dont think i will buy this fight... i like Haye, but Valuev fight will be a bit shite

if there is a good undercard or a big yank bill on after i will buy it... but i dont think Haye has the strengh & depth in his stable to make it worthy

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:05

Just reminds us what we lost with Setanta going under, we got 2 quality cards for £12 a month and it was practically free on my Virgin package

To be honest though I'd rather pay £15 for a quality card than pay £15 a month for no decent cards as was often the case with Sky Sports.

I'm a bit disapointed it isnt a Klitschko in the other corner but I will buy it anyway. This could be 2009s answer to Dempsey-Willard

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:06

Gemmell,
You should ask Mr Hennessey that question.

lefthook82 · Post by **lefthook82** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:08

I'll be a abroad when the fight happens but wouldnt have paid for it anyway

Haye against any of the Klits and Sky could just me hit over the head and taken £15 out of my wallet

I see this as an awful fight

Adamj1987 · Post by **Adamj1987** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:09

ill end up watching it the bar for free with mates prob

gemmell · Post by **gemmell** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:14

twenty six wrote:Gemmell,
You should ask Mr Hennessey that question.

lol sky obviously have not approached him

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:14

gemmell wrote:
twenty six wrote:Gemmell,
You should ask Mr Hennessey that question.
lol sky obviously have not approached him

Its his job to approach and sell it to sky not the other way round

Hopefulyl we get the Froch fight for free, but more likely it'll be on this new ITV PPV thing

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:15

Any news on the other Haymakaer fighters?

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:18

That is the most naive reply I've ever seen Gemmell.
What exactly do you think a Promotor's job is ?

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:19

Nothing as yet Leforge.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:21

Him doing deal with Sky could be way in for his promotion.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:29

twenty six wrote:Appreciate what you're saying James but how could there possibly be enough revenue raised to make this fight happen without PPV ?
You have the ultimate say as have the masses.
Don't pay, don't switch on.

I of course understand this, but this is partly due to dwindling viewing figures, or dwindling exposure. Terrestrial TV still has lots of money to spend, and Sky can still make big bucks from advertising.

However, as boxing has slipped down the greasy pole and become less and less mainstream, this has meant that to pay fighters massive wage demands boxing fans must now pay through the nose.

Frankly, I'm sick of it.

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:34

It isn't going to get any easier James.
No one else is remotely interested in boxing other than Sky.
They have deals with Hatton, Haye PPV, Hearn, Maloney.
Up for grabs are Hennessey, Hayemaker, Wazza, Hobson, Khan PPV.

I think the deal's already done with Wazza / Khan.
Will they be interested in any of the others ?

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:38

I think Hayemaker will get some dates Lindsay is a good fighter British champ. I can't see Frocch next fight not being shown live.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:43

BIGMARK wrote:no one has really answered the question here, i am anti PPV but i think that sky havING this will raise the profile of the sport as they are going to hype it and because of this it will cross over to the normal sports press and general sports fans,so in a weird way it will be a shot in the arm for the sport, do we agree or not?

All of what you say would be done even better if it WASN'T on PPV, Mark...though I understand economics dictate, etc.

Imagine how mofoing big this would become for the general public if BBC had it live? (I know, stop living in the past McNeilly, etc.)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Jul 2009, 08:49

Sadly, the BBC got burnt with Audley - and it looks like they ain't interested, but agreed.

I wonder how many people in the UK have sky sports? I cannot find the figures anywhere but they must be in the public domain somewhere surely?

There over 60,000,000 people in the UK, almost that number of people have access to a TV set and therefore the BBC.

Who wouldn't be interested in a free, prime-time world heavyweight title fight with local interest? The problem is, that boxing just isn't on the agenda for BBC, and ITV are in dire financial straights.

I have to say, that boxers themselves have to be held somewhat accountable, because although boxing is pretty much a minority sport now, they still want to command huge fees.

The only way to support those fees....you guessed it PPV.

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Jul 2009, 09:28

As with most sports James - it's only the top 2% that gobble up 85% of purses.
I don't think it's fair to generalise boxers as all getting huge fees.
I think the purse bid of just over £100k for Macklin / Barker was very much the exception rather than the rule, so the challenger would be getting a little over £40k.
Take off board tax, promotors fees, trainers fees, training fees then income tax and it isn't as spectacular as it first seems.

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