Vitali Klitschko Vs Jimmy Young, who wins?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 10 Sep 2004, 17:05

Who do you think would win out of current Heavyweight Kingpin Vitali Klitschko and the tricky contender of the 1970's Jimmy Young?

I think Young may have had the style to beat Vitali although Jimmy would be giving away a considerable size advantage. However Jimmy had a good record against big Heavyweights he famously beat George Foreman into a ten year retirment and twice beat the formidable Ron Lyle.

The prime Young was an underated body puncher with an iron chin with some great defencive techniques, which I feel may have been too much for Vitali.

I go for Jimmy Young on points in a tough competative fight.

Do you think I am right fight fans?

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 10 Sep 2004, 20:36

I agree. Lyle and Foreman both were better boxers and better athletes then Klitschko. I see Klitschko giving Young problems early on b/c of his akward style but Young's body shots would take their toll and Young boxes his way to a decision. One thing about Klitschko is that he's never faced anyone who attacks the body, and he has a pretty thin waspy waist.

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 10 Sep 2004, 22:07

I picked Vitali Klistchko by TKO in the 7th round.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 10 Sep 2004, 22:16

I like Jimmy Young...for a while in the mid '70's, I thought Young was going places...until personal problems (drugs) took their toll...losing that split decision to Norton didn't help either...But against Klitschko, I believe Young would have won...as a matter of fact, I think the mid-late '70's Jimmy Young would beat pretty much everyone out there right now, not that that's saying much...

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 11 Sep 2004, 09:56

Sweet Scientist wrote:I like Jimmy Young...for a while in the mid '70's, I thought Young was going places...until personal problems (drugs) took their toll...losing that split decision to Norton didn't help either.

Has anyone here seen Norton V Young? Was it a competative fight? Are the listed scores of ~ 143-147 | 144-142 | 143-147 ~ a fair reflection of the fight?

Rafael · Post by **Rafael** » 11 Sep 2004, 14:26

Norton-Young was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. I had it about 10-5 Young. If you look at Norton's facial expression when the decision was announced, you'll realize he was one of the most stunned people in the whole arena.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Sep 2004, 08:48

kovit wrote:I picked Vitali Klistchko by TKO in the 7th round.

Can't agree withat that mate, if Foreman, Lyle and Shavers couldn't knoxkout Jimmy Young I cant see big Vitali doing it.

tennessee · Post by **tennessee** » 17 Sep 2004, 23:51

i think the size would affect youngs combos, but should win easily then get robbed. bring on chris byrd vs. jimmy young

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 18 Sep 2004, 07:08

KOJOE90 wrote:
kovit wrote:I picked Vitali Klistchko by TKO in the 7th round.
Can't agree withat that mate, if Foreman, Lyle and Shavers couldn't knoxkout Jimmy Young I cant see big Vitali doing it.

Sorry

I made a mistake there of course Shaver did stop Young in their first fight but Young was then a raw novice and Shavers had had about 45 fights.

I still stand by my original statment though.

The Scranton Assassin · Post by **The Scranton Assassin** » 20 Sep 2004, 13:53

KOJOE90 wrote:
kovit wrote:I picked Vitali Klistchko by TKO in the 7th round.
Can't agree withat that mate, if Foreman, Lyle and Shavers couldn't knoxkout Jimmy Young I cant see big Vitali doing it.

Shavers actualy did knockout Young.

The Scranton Assassin · Post by **The Scranton Assassin** » 20 Sep 2004, 13:53

KOJOE90 wrote:
kovit wrote:I picked Vitali Klistchko by TKO in the 7th round.
Can't agree withat that mate, if Foreman, Lyle and Shavers couldn't knoxkout Jimmy Young I cant see big Vitali doing it.

Shavers actualy did knockout Young.

The Scranton Assassin · Post by **The Scranton Assassin** » 20 Sep 2004, 13:55

Damn, I should read the whole thread before posting anything.

Young by decision.

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 20 Sep 2004, 14:35

Young outpoints Vitali, but there's danger of a bad decision. But if Jimmy really pressed it like he did against Foreman, then maybe he stops Klitschko late.
I only saw Young-Norton once, the original broadcast in '77. I thought it was very close. Norton's punches just looked heavier so he got the nod. Young from about '75 to '78, was one of the quickest, cleverest heavyweights I've ever seen.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 21 Sep 2004, 12:37

crooked nose wrote:I only saw Young-Norton once, the original broadcast in '77. I thought it was very close. Norton's punches just looked heavier so he got the nod. Young from about '75 to '78, was one of the quickest, cleverest heavyweights I've ever seen.

From what I've read and heard, the close loss to Norton pretty much took away Jimmy Youngs heart for the game and being told by Don King that "He wasn't wanted as a World Champ" didn't help much either.

I read rumours on another thread here that there was something very 'dodgy' about the Norton - Young fight.

I have a tape somewhere of one of Larry Holmes early defences, I can't recall which one, but you can see Jimmy Young sat very near Don King. At the end of the fight you can see Young following King around the ring around the ring. I got the impression Young may have been hoping for a shot at Homles.

I've often thought that a 'clean' in shape Jimmy Young may have had the tools to take Holmes, or at least give him a nightmare of a fight. If a near novice Witherspoon took Holmes to the wire what would have a Jimmy Young have done?

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 21 Sep 2004, 12:41

I don't see the Norton-Young fight as a blant robbery at all. First time I saw it I thought Kenny won 2nd time I could see a score for Young-it goes back to the whole "what punches count more' argument. Young many times was outlanding Norton but Norton was landing fairly well and his punches did more damage . . . .I think it coulda gone either way and a Norton decision is not a 'fix' at all . . .

Wierd how King expressed his antipathy for Young and over 20 years later the inferior Chris Byrd is one of his champions . . . .

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 21 Sep 2004, 15:14

Young still had a chance to get a title shot after the loss to Norton, but a flabby Young lost to Ossie Ocasio on the Holmes-Norton undercard. Jimmy lost a rematch with Ocasio too and I think lost to Dokes, so he was well out of contention. Then, in 1980 he had a comeback, running off about five wins against good opponents like Marvin Stinson. He got a shot at Gerry Cooney but was overpowered and stopped on cuts in five. Retirement and substance abuse problems followed. Sad result for a quality boxer. The comparisons to Chris Byrd are accurate - both light-punching but smart and hard to judge.

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 21 Sep 2004, 15:28

Rechecking Young's record I see my memory was off a bit. The loss to Cooney came in 1980 , then Young took off about a year and came back with the five wins that earned a match against Greg Page.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 22 Sep 2004, 12:40

With regard to Jimmy Young, in a facinating interview for Boxing News by Tris Dixon about a year ago Jimmy Young was positive that he had several more fights than listed on his record and fought for a couple of more years after his last listed fight.

Wether these were sanctioned fights I don't know?

crooked nose · Post by **crooked nose** » 22 Sep 2004, 14:49

Do you have a link to that article on Young? Can you fill us in on what it said?
What is Jimmy Young up to these days? Last news I heard about him was not so good.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 24 Sep 2004, 13:07

crooked nose wrote:Do you have a link to that article on Young? Can you fill us in on what it said?
What is Jimmy Young up to these days? Last news I heard about him was not so good.

Sorry I don't have a link to that article.

The interview by Tris Dixon was done about 18 months ago. Jimmy was at the time working on a building site. I think his daughter or mother was also helping him out Jimmy had claimed to have been 'clean' for about 4 months.

Tris Dixon mentioned in the interview that Jimmy had an amazing memory for dates, times, results, money etc when it came to his Boxing career, this also came across in the interview.

This is why I think that when Jimmy Young claimes to have had about 6 more fights than listed on his official record and fought untill 1992, he should be listened to. This however is just my opinion, as they are not listed anywhere I assume they were non-sanctioned fights.

Tris Dixon also mentioned at the end of the article that Jimmy Young was one of the nicest guys he had ever met.