I think Quarry would keep Bugner quiet.Robinson wrote:I think it would be a cool fight to watch. I am inclined to think
Quarry wins it also. But I think if Bugner got down and threw
fast shots he could make it a tight one.
The real question is...at the time..who wins the battle of the
side burns?
That is the key.Robinson wrote:It is also amazing how big a man Bugner is in the flesh.
His jab is good when he uses it, but I think Quarry would
find a home for his right hand...
dempseyfire wrote:
Jerry's counter-punching style would be awful for Bugner, who'd end up in a shell by the middle rounds and end up taking a beating.
- It's bewildering how easily Joe Bugs is being dismissed. The man had natural talents and physical attributes similar to Ali.mercman wrote: I think Bugner stands a much better chance than you guys have given him credit for so far. He has all the physical advantages (height, weight, reach) over Quarry, good skill, and durability. Bugner is mobile, has a good jab and Quarry cuts. Although Bugner was generally a very inconsistent fighter he had 8 fights in 1972 and won them all inside the distance. He was near his peak around this period - remember he would go on to give both Ali and Frazier very good fights the following year.
ps I've met Bugner and, as Robinson says, he is huge in the flesh. His statistics don't reflect the fact that he is just such a naturally big man - tall, broad, big head, big hands. No weights, no steroids, just a naturally big, athletic bloke. Very imposing.
Bugner didn't punch his weight or size; Quarry did.BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:- It's bewildering how easily Joe Bugs is being dismissed. The man had natural talents and physical attributes similar to Ali.mercman wrote: I think Bugner stands a much better chance than you guys have given him credit for so far. He has all the physical advantages (height, weight, reach) over Quarry, good skill, and durability. Bugner is mobile, has a good jab and Quarry cuts. Although Bugner was generally a very inconsistent fighter he had 8 fights in 1972 and won them all inside the distance. He was near his peak around this period - remember he would go on to give both Ali and Frazier very good fights the following year.
ps I've met Bugner and, as Robinson says, he is huge in the flesh. His statistics don't reflect the fact that he is just such a naturally big man - tall, broad, big head, big hands. No weights, no steroids, just a naturally big, athletic bloke. Very imposing.
Perhaps he lacked the drive and was too much a Renaissance man type intellect to maximize his ring efforts. How anyone can definitively pick from a pair of inconsistent fighters speaks more to the lack of thought to the topic.
Best to best, it's Joe. In reality over time, take your pick how they might split a series. Quarry certainly had his own excellent talents and attributes that made him a very dangerous fighter.
Be a great series.
Great pic Robinson ...... Joe looking good there.Robinson wrote:I just fought at 187lbs and I am 6'1.5, this is me with Aussie Joe
to give you and idea of his size.
Not that size ever phased the likes of a Quarry. But it does make
a difference when the man has good movement and a decent
jab.
You can add a big cock to that list as well. I remember an interview with his second wife Marlene some years back where she said how much it hurt to have sex with himmercman wrote:Chuck Wepner, Henry Cooper, Jimmy Ellis, James Tillis, Greg Page.victory did Bugner ever have that would suggest he'd have beaten Quarry?
I think Bugner stands a much better chance than you guys have given him credit for so far. He has all the physical advantages (height, weight, reach) over Quarry, good skill, and durability. Bugner is mobile, has a good jab and Quarry cuts. Although Bugner was generally a very inconsistent fighter he had 8 fights in 1972 and won them all inside the distance. He was near his peak around this period - remember he would go on to give both Ali and Frazier very good fights the following year.
ps I've met Bugner and, as Robinson says, he is huge in the flesh. His statistics don't reflect the fact that he is just such a naturally big man - tall, broad, big head, big hands. No weights, no steroids, just a naturally big, athletic bloke. Very imposing.
Robinson wrote:I just fought at 187lbs and I am 6'1.5, this is me with Aussie Joe
to give you and idea of his size.
Not that size ever phased the likes of a Quarry. But it does make
a difference when the man has good movement and a decent
jab.
Robinson wrote:DF,
Quarry was inconsistent. His wins over Patterson are debatable. He lost to a
much older and a lot more ring worn Chuvalo. Bugner fared alot better against
Frazier and Ali, he went the distance both times vs Muhammad where as Quarry
was stopped both times.
I think both these guys are up and down as far as performances go, but one
thing Bugner has is an ability to take good shots from hard hitters. His come back
years proved this, when he started to use his natural size to a greater advantage.
Bugner in my opinion never seemed to use his size to great advantage, it was almost
as though he had been schooled to fight as though he was Henry Coopers build...I
guess Buster Mathis sr was like this too...he seemed to fight at times as though he
was a Floyd Patterson.
I can see a gutsy Quarry win. But I do not think it will be a walk in the park for
either man. I agree with BRR that this would be a good series with both men sharing
victories.