that should be enough against cagey bollocks then.ALI wrote:Just weatched some of the Alexander for the first time, against Corley, and have to say that i expected to see better from Alexander. There's a lot of hype around him, and although he looks like a good solid fighter, i see nothing special. He has fast hands, throws a good jab and a good straight left, but does not throw much else. He sets a good pace and is aggressive, but he seems predictable and i reckon a sharp shooter like Witter should be able to time him and get off some big shots. However, if Witter cannot stop him, or score no knock downs, he will likely loose this one on points.
C'mon Witter
Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
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hitman_hatton1
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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Re: witter,does he win?
X2Spud wrote:I think he is past his best - but I really want him to win!!!
Good luck Junior
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DG.
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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Why box Amir on a weeks notice when you have a Word Title shot coming up and no doubt for next to nothing and have to sell your arse if you win?
Old Folks Home?
Moi?
Shut up, child!
Are they still counting Hatton against Manny? last i heard the count was at 7 weeks!

Old Folks Home?
Moi?
Shut up, child!
Are they still counting Hatton against Manny? last i heard the count was at 7 weeks!
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DG.
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Re: witter,does he win?
Gwann Witter!
This is make or break - World Titles and ££s - win ths and AMIR KHAN can bring some decent money to your table ( hopefully!) - Khan ain;' no chicken like Wricky!

This is make or break - World Titles and ££s - win ths and AMIR KHAN can bring some decent money to your table ( hopefully!) - Khan ain;' no chicken like Wricky!
Re: witter,does he win?
The thread should be renamed to will witter fight. According to the WBC they won't approve the fight due to the selection of officials by the local commission
Re: witter,does he win?
I think Alexander will sneak it on points. I am generally shite at picking Witter fights though.
Re: witter,does he win?
Like real-deal says will he fight if the titles not on the line
Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
Break news apparently there has been a row over officials ??
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Spud
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Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
I am willing to bet Team Witter are cranking up the hype war prior to the fight to upset Team Alexander in anyway they can!!G0mez wrote:Break news apparently there has been a row over officials ??
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hitman_hatton1
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overhand_right
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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Says a lot about a fighter when his best win is over Vivian Harris - after Harris had been whacked by Carlos Maussa of all people. Lord have mercy!
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hitman_hatton1
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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
what world title shot?DG. wrote:Why box Amir on a weeks notice when you have a Word Title shot coming up and no doubt for next to nothing and have to sell your arse if you win?
Old Folks Home?
Moi?
Shut up, child!
Are they still counting Hatton against Manny? last i heard the count was at 7 weeks!
titles mean diddy squat these days anyway.
especially this vacant title stripped from the champion.
Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
WBC withholds sanction!
Alexander-Witter officials snafu
By Big Joe Miranda
The WBC will not approve the bout between Devon Alexander and Junior Witter for the vacant super lightweight title due to the selection of officials by the California State Athletic Commission. “For the WBC to approve the fight as for the WBC title it would be needed that one of the American officials, preferably a judge is taken out and a foreigner approved by the WBC is appointed, with the approval of the CSAC, of course otherwise, our sanctioning will be suspended,” said WBC president José Sulaimán. “I can not hide my disappointment for this decision taken by the CSAC, with which we have had the best of relations and mutual cooperation through the years; I sincerely feel offended and humiliated for their apparent lack of respect to justice and the WBC rights of our officially registered World Boxing Council (WBC) trademark and championship accolade. I would be betraying the confidence bestowed on my by the Board of Governors, with members from all over the world, who are the people that elected me, if I don’t defend justice and the WBC’s rights.”
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The California Commission appointed referee Lou Moret and judges Benjamin Rendon (Mexico), Jerry Cantu (California) and Glenn Trowbridge (Nevada) to handle the bout. According to Sulaimán, the British Boxing Board of Control, Witter’s representatives and Alexander’s representatives have all objected.
Source: www.fightnews.com
Alexander-Witter officials snafu
By Big Joe Miranda
The WBC will not approve the bout between Devon Alexander and Junior Witter for the vacant super lightweight title due to the selection of officials by the California State Athletic Commission. “For the WBC to approve the fight as for the WBC title it would be needed that one of the American officials, preferably a judge is taken out and a foreigner approved by the WBC is appointed, with the approval of the CSAC, of course otherwise, our sanctioning will be suspended,” said WBC president José Sulaimán. “I can not hide my disappointment for this decision taken by the CSAC, with which we have had the best of relations and mutual cooperation through the years; I sincerely feel offended and humiliated for their apparent lack of respect to justice and the WBC rights of our officially registered World Boxing Council (WBC) trademark and championship accolade. I would be betraying the confidence bestowed on my by the Board of Governors, with members from all over the world, who are the people that elected me, if I don’t defend justice and the WBC’s rights.”
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The California Commission appointed referee Lou Moret and judges Benjamin Rendon (Mexico), Jerry Cantu (California) and Glenn Trowbridge (Nevada) to handle the bout. According to Sulaimán, the British Boxing Board of Control, Witter’s representatives and Alexander’s representatives have all objected.
Source: www.fightnews.com
Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
Sulaiman backing Don King fighters ? ? no surely not.. !!
Sneaking on of his own personal judges in? mmmmmm
Maybe he'll get that woman in who scored the fight for Evander against Lewis in their first fight.
WIKI :-
The WBC and Don King
Many in the boxing community have accused the WBC of bending its rules to suit powerful promoter Don King. As journalist Jack Newfield says, “...[WBC President Jose] Sulaiman became more King’s junior partner than his independent regulator.”[1] Another journalist, Peter Heller, echoes that comment: “Sulaiman...became little more than an errand boy for Don King.” Heller also quotes British promoter Mickey Duff as saying, “My complaint is that Jose Sulaiman is not happy his friend Don King is the biggest promoter in boxing. Sulaiman will only be happy when Don King is the only promoter in boxing.”[2]
The actions of the WBC give some credence to this charge. A partial list:
* When Leon Spinks won the WBA and WBC Heavyweight championships from Muhammad Ali in 1978, the WBC stripped Leon Spinks of his title. Jose Sulaiman said the WBC did so because Spinks was signed for a rematch with Ali instead of fighting a Don King fighter, Ken Norton. Norton then defended the WBC title against another Don King fighter, Larry Holmes, who won the belt.[3]
* In 1983, WBC Super Featherweight champion Bobby Chacon was signed to fight the WBC’s mandatory challenger for his title, Cornelius Boza-Edwards. Promoter Don King, however, wanted his fighter, Hector Camacho, to fight for the title. Even though WBC rules said the mandatory challenger should receive a shot at the title, the WBC withdrew its sanction from the fight and then stripped Chacon for refusing to fight Camacho.[4]
* Under WBC rules, a fighter is supposed to defend his title against a mandatory challenger at least once a year. For fighters controlled by Don King, this rule is often ignored. Alexis Arguello, and Carlos Zarate, for instance, were allowed to ignore their obligations to their mandatory contenders while WBC champions.[5]
* While WBC Super Featherweight champion, Julio César Chávez wanted to fight top contender Roger Mayweather for a promoter other than Don King. The WBC withheld its sanction of the fight until Don King became promoter.[6]
* When Mike Tyson lost to James "Buster" Douglas during a WBC and WBA Heavyweight championship defense, Don King convinced the WBC (along with the WBA) to withhold recognition of Douglas as heavyweight champion. King claimed that Tyson had actually won the fight due to knocking down Douglas and the referee giving Douglas a “long count."[7] Referee Octavio Meyran, in a sworn affidavit, claims that King threatened to have the WBC withhold payment of Meyran's hotel bill if Meyran did not support King's protest.[8] Because of intense public pressure, both the WBA and WBC backed down and recognized Douglas as champion.
* In 1992, the WBC threatened to strip Evander Holyfield of his title for defending it against Riddick Bowe instead of Razor Ruddock. Holyfield obtained a court order to stop the organization. In a taped deposition for the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Holyfield stated that the WBC wanted him to defend his championship against Ruddock because Ruddock was managed by Don King.[9]
* During the 1990s, the WBC did not allow its champions to engage in unification bouts with WBO champions. However, in 1993, the Don King promoted super-middleweight showdown between WBC champion Nigel Benn and WBO champion Chris Eubank was recognized as a title unification fight by the WBC. Ironically, both men fought to a draw and each retained their respective titles.
* When Mike Tyson was released from prison in 1995, the WBC installed him as their #1 contender for their heavyweight championship. Tyson had not fought in four years, but was promoted by Don King.
* In 2000, King-promoted Julio César Chávez was the mandatory challenger for Kostya Tszyu's WBC super lightweight title. Chávez was the mandatory challenger though he had not fought at super lightweight for two years, had recently lost to journeyman boxer Willie Wise, and had not beaten a top contender since losing his first fight to Oscar de la Hoya in 1996.
* In 2005, the WBC stripped Javier Castillejo of his super welterweight title for fighting Fernando Vargas instead of Don King-promoted Ricardo Mayorga. Mayorga somehow qualified for a shot at the super welterweight title despite the fact that he had never fought at that weight limit and had lost two of his last three fights.
Sneaking on of his own personal judges in? mmmmmm
Maybe he'll get that woman in who scored the fight for Evander against Lewis in their first fight.
WIKI :-
The WBC and Don King
Many in the boxing community have accused the WBC of bending its rules to suit powerful promoter Don King. As journalist Jack Newfield says, “...[WBC President Jose] Sulaiman became more King’s junior partner than his independent regulator.”[1] Another journalist, Peter Heller, echoes that comment: “Sulaiman...became little more than an errand boy for Don King.” Heller also quotes British promoter Mickey Duff as saying, “My complaint is that Jose Sulaiman is not happy his friend Don King is the biggest promoter in boxing. Sulaiman will only be happy when Don King is the only promoter in boxing.”[2]
The actions of the WBC give some credence to this charge. A partial list:
* When Leon Spinks won the WBA and WBC Heavyweight championships from Muhammad Ali in 1978, the WBC stripped Leon Spinks of his title. Jose Sulaiman said the WBC did so because Spinks was signed for a rematch with Ali instead of fighting a Don King fighter, Ken Norton. Norton then defended the WBC title against another Don King fighter, Larry Holmes, who won the belt.[3]
* In 1983, WBC Super Featherweight champion Bobby Chacon was signed to fight the WBC’s mandatory challenger for his title, Cornelius Boza-Edwards. Promoter Don King, however, wanted his fighter, Hector Camacho, to fight for the title. Even though WBC rules said the mandatory challenger should receive a shot at the title, the WBC withdrew its sanction from the fight and then stripped Chacon for refusing to fight Camacho.[4]
* Under WBC rules, a fighter is supposed to defend his title against a mandatory challenger at least once a year. For fighters controlled by Don King, this rule is often ignored. Alexis Arguello, and Carlos Zarate, for instance, were allowed to ignore their obligations to their mandatory contenders while WBC champions.[5]
* While WBC Super Featherweight champion, Julio César Chávez wanted to fight top contender Roger Mayweather for a promoter other than Don King. The WBC withheld its sanction of the fight until Don King became promoter.[6]
* When Mike Tyson lost to James "Buster" Douglas during a WBC and WBA Heavyweight championship defense, Don King convinced the WBC (along with the WBA) to withhold recognition of Douglas as heavyweight champion. King claimed that Tyson had actually won the fight due to knocking down Douglas and the referee giving Douglas a “long count."[7] Referee Octavio Meyran, in a sworn affidavit, claims that King threatened to have the WBC withhold payment of Meyran's hotel bill if Meyran did not support King's protest.[8] Because of intense public pressure, both the WBA and WBC backed down and recognized Douglas as champion.
* In 1992, the WBC threatened to strip Evander Holyfield of his title for defending it against Riddick Bowe instead of Razor Ruddock. Holyfield obtained a court order to stop the organization. In a taped deposition for the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Holyfield stated that the WBC wanted him to defend his championship against Ruddock because Ruddock was managed by Don King.[9]
* During the 1990s, the WBC did not allow its champions to engage in unification bouts with WBO champions. However, in 1993, the Don King promoted super-middleweight showdown between WBC champion Nigel Benn and WBO champion Chris Eubank was recognized as a title unification fight by the WBC. Ironically, both men fought to a draw and each retained their respective titles.
* When Mike Tyson was released from prison in 1995, the WBC installed him as their #1 contender for their heavyweight championship. Tyson had not fought in four years, but was promoted by Don King.
* In 2000, King-promoted Julio César Chávez was the mandatory challenger for Kostya Tszyu's WBC super lightweight title. Chávez was the mandatory challenger though he had not fought at super lightweight for two years, had recently lost to journeyman boxer Willie Wise, and had not beaten a top contender since losing his first fight to Oscar de la Hoya in 1996.
* In 2005, the WBC stripped Javier Castillejo of his super welterweight title for fighting Fernando Vargas instead of Don King-promoted Ricardo Mayorga. Mayorga somehow qualified for a shot at the super welterweight title despite the fact that he had never fought at that weight limit and had lost two of his last three fights.
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SexySouthPaw
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Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
Witter will KO alexander won't matter who the ref or judges are!!!!!!
Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
Probably notSexySouthPaw wrote:Witter will KO alexander won't matter who the ref or judges are!!!!!!
Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
It is a row over an English judge. California commission want two American judges, but all the camps want an English official.
Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
I thought it was pretty customary to have a mix of officials. Fekkin commission.chris s wrote:It is a row over an English judge. California commission want two American judges, but all the camps want an English official.
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DavidPayne
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Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
I have heard on pretty good authority this is very true.
WBC withdraw sanction for Witter v Alexander
WBC withdraw sanction for Witter v Alexander
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DavidPayne
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Re: Witter vs Alexander not sanctioned by WBC ?
Obviously, a quote above from Jose Sulaiman is "pretty good authority" after all, but I'd heard this overnight and hadn't seen that quote.
The official in question I understand to be Richie Davies.
The official in question I understand to be Richie Davies.
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DavidPayne
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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
It will be a travesty for Junior if this fight loses its title status or is canned.
WBC withdraw sanction for Witter bout
Months wasted.
WBC withdraw sanction for Witter bout
Months wasted.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
So it may not even be for a belt?

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hitman_hatton1
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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
if the fight is still on the table witter should take it.
title or no title.
he can't afford more months of inactivity.
ne needs all the exposure he can get.
my heart bleeds for the lad it really does.![[icon_e_biggrin.gif] :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
title or no title.
he can't afford more months of inactivity.
ne needs all the exposure he can get.
my heart bleeds for the lad it really does.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
As much as I don't like Junior, I hope he wins.
Looking at Alexander's record, he isn't up to much.
But the same was said about Bradley. :surprised:
Surely lightening can't strike twice. And you'd think Junior learned his lesson.
I see a wide decision, with a stupid card up there - 116/112 117/111 106/120, so a SD for Witter.
Not quite as stupid as 106/120 but 115/113.
And Hatton "doesn't have any guts" because he didn't fight Junior. Yes, of course, what a pussy. Fighting Pacquaio and Mayweather, and not Junior Witter or Peter Buckley. :)
Just hope the belt is on the line.
And hope the US judges don't spoil it.
Looking at Alexander's record, he isn't up to much.
But the same was said about Bradley. :surprised:
Surely lightening can't strike twice. And you'd think Junior learned his lesson.
I see a wide decision, with a stupid card up there - 116/112 117/111 106/120, so a SD for Witter.
Not quite as stupid as 106/120 but 115/113.
And Hatton "doesn't have any guts" because he didn't fight Junior. Yes, of course, what a pussy. Fighting Pacquaio and Mayweather, and not Junior Witter or Peter Buckley. :)
Just hope the belt is on the line.
And hope the US judges don't spoil it.
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Bard of Boxrec
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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Guys, this fight is clearly not going ahead.