Toney v Booker

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Sep 2004, 03:14

Has anyone seen Booker box, is he capable of pulling an upset?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Sep 2004, 05:02

Not unless he gets very lucky. Fast hands, decent power, but not in Toney's class.

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 22 Sep 2004, 05:34

I watched him vs Grant and thought that he looked useful, but that the top guys at cruiser would handle him comfortably. Unless Toney comes in looking fat, lazy or old I think you'd have to put your money on him. Booker's only a young'un though. A good performance against Toney might do him wonders. I haven't seen him at heavy. Does he look fat? could he go back down to cruiser?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Sep 2004, 06:09

well i put down Toney to win on points on the prediction league, so hopefully there won't be a upset.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 22 Sep 2004, 07:14

any chance of this being streamed or on TV at any point?

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 22 Sep 2004, 07:57

mickeybeard wrote:Unless Toney comes in looking fat, lazy or old I think you'd have to put your money on him.

I wonder what sort of odds i could get on Toney being all three?

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 22 Sep 2004, 16:36

mickeybeard wrote:I watched him vs Grant and thought that he looked useful, but that the top guys at cruiser would handle him comfortably. Unless Toney comes in looking fat, lazy or old I think you'd have to put your money on him. Booker's only a young'un though. A good performance against Toney might do him wonders. I haven't seen him at heavy. Does he look fat? could he go back down to cruiser?

Booker looks fat as a *cruiser*, to say nothing of heavyweight. At least Toney has enough muscle on him that even svelte he'd be weighing around 200+ lbs. theses days, i.e. he's not just a blubbery light-heavy like Booker is.

Only chance for Booker to win this is if Toney re-injures himself.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 22 Sep 2004, 17:15

Erik the british fan from america vicking. will toney ko this guy?

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 22 Sep 2004, 18:23

I don't remember Booker looking proper fat at Cruiser. A bit chunky and no prime physical specimen maybe, but I thought he carried the weight alright. He's 6'3" so he'd have to be even more streamlined than Tarver to be a light heavy. Then again, it was about 18 months ago that I last saw him. Maybe I'll dig the tape out.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 23 Sep 2004, 02:42

glittermonkey wrote:
mickeybeard wrote:Unless Toney comes in looking fat, lazy or old I think you'd have to put your money on him.
I wonder what sort of odds i could get on Toney being all three?

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 23 Sep 2004, 04:14

mrbassie wrote:
glittermonkey wrote:
mickeybeard wrote:Unless Toney comes in looking fat, lazy or old I think you'd have to put your money on him.
I wonder what sort of odds i could get on Toney being all three?

Well, that kinda rules out fat then.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Sep 2004, 04:36

hmmmm, looks like Toney has been down to Balco

csmith · Post by **csmith** » 23 Sep 2004, 05:08

evander holyfield must be wondering why he"s woken up this morning with james toney"s body

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 23 Sep 2004, 05:17

Looks as if it was fun at the weigh in, twisted ankle for Booker.

http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.p ... e&sid=4985

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 23 Sep 2004, 14:09

REAL_DEAL wrote:Erik the british fan from america vicking. will toney ko this guy?

Unless Toney injures himself or Booker's post-weighin ankle twist prevents him from fighting, Booker will get broken down and taken out in brutal fashion. I originally said mid-to-late round KO, but after the weigh-in spat I say early-to-mid. Toney could use the rounds, but with his experience and amount of sparring he does, letting Booker live a few rounds less will likely seem worth it in order to make a statement.

Official prediction: Toney KO6 Booker.

bugs · Post by **bugs** » 23 Sep 2004, 14:32

csmith wrote:evander holyfield must be wondering why he"s woken up this morning with james toney"s body

Ha HA

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 23 Sep 2004, 14:56

Toney is stupid for doing this one

Exile · Post by **Exile** » 23 Sep 2004, 19:07

toney wins on points in one of the worst main stream fights this year.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 24 Sep 2004, 04:53

Jirov was waiting for toney outside the ring, apparently there was a bit of a set to between them.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 24 Sep 2004, 06:35

Fox Sports have the fight here for free:

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3031626

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 24 Sep 2004, 06:45

Bloody hell what a right hand from Toney at the weigh-in, nasty stuff!

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 24 Sep 2004, 12:06

Kilburn wrote:Bloody hell what a right hand from Toney at the weigh-in, nasty stuff!

Please...it was an open-handed push. All Booker wanted to do was kiss Toney on those big lips of his...nothing wrong with that...

The good news is: Toney's achilles looks fully healed. The bad news is: even though Toney clearly dominated the action, Booker, who would be considered light-hitting at 175, was able to tag Toney repeatedly with clean left jooks and straight rights (although Fox's "highlights" didn't show any of that, only Toney's best connects). Also, Booker's jab is pathetically weak so Toney was able to be in his wheelhouse all night, but still couldn't take him out. If that were a hard jab from a monster like Klitschko and rights and lefts from a guy with real heavyweight power, Toney wouldn't have been grinning for long.

Lastly, Toney's vaunted cross-arm defense and shoulder-roll punch slipping didn't impress me all that much. Booker showed that a guy with quick hands and reach (and especially one who is punching down) will be able connect to the head repeatedly. If Toney has to raise his hands to defend against hard shots coming down on him, he loses much of his vision and leaves his gut open - Booker landed a few hard body shots when he tried to, he just rarely tried to do so.

Comments on the Fox BDSSP team:

- I wonder how many lines of coke Tom Arnold snorts prior to a typical show. Hell, I wonder how many lines he does during a typical commercial break.

- Chris Byrd needs to cut back on the magic self-delusional mushrooms ("I am the best heavyweight in thevworld...")

- The only thing I liked about Max Kellerman was that he didn't kiss up to Byrd.

- Where was Sean O'Grady? Oh wait, having him at ringside would mean one person who actually knows something about boxing and isn't there to hype himself. That's way too many.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 24 Sep 2004, 12:24

God dammit puleeeez...

It looks like a punch on that clip, although if you slow it down maybe.. yeah it could be a shove. Still nasty. Which is good.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 25 Sep 2004, 05:37

it was a shove.

for those who didn't spot this on the current scene forum:

Michael_Selway wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3031626

Toney Booker vid thx to Fox!

(shows the shove too)

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 28 Sep 2004, 06:00

from fightnews....

check out the cutie in the red top!!!!!!

tell me thats not Toneys lady