Junior Witter/Devon Alexander

[Dioufy]

Junior is a joke.

[liamlion]

Junior is a joke.

Unfortunately Witter and Hatton are both a "joke" these days - they are both clearly past their respective primes. Good luck Amir Khan, he is the future british hope of the LWW division!

[Dioufy]

Harsh is an understatement. And at least Hatton was never a joke in the ring.

[liamlion]

Junior is a joke.

Unfortunately Witter and Hatton are both a joke these days - they are both clearly past their respective primes. Good luck Amir Khan, he is the future british hope of the LWW division!

I think calling hatton a joke is harsh? why do you think he is a joke?

He's not what he once was and it appears that his crash dieting and training is catching up with him after long last. I saw him interviewed the other day and he's turned back into a fat man.

The way Hatton treats his body as a professional sportsman in such a physically demanding sport as boxing is an absolute joke.

The only reason he hasnt retired is because he is weighing up whether or not to cash in on one last pay-day. Hatton's performance against Pacman was poor.

[Dioufy]

I think Pacquiao was too quick and hit too hard. Plus, the south-paw stance caused massive problems - Hatton couldn't see the punches coming. Pacquiao was simply too good, but hey, there's no shame in that - he's the number fighter in the whole world. And Alexander is what, exactly? A novice.

[liamlion]

The way Hatton treats his body as a professional sportsman in such a physically demanding sport as boxing is an absolute joke.

[Dioufy]

Perhaps, but that doesn't make him a joke. The end justified the means, IMO.

[liamlion]

The way Hatton treats his body as a professional sportsman in such a physically demanding sport as boxing is an absolute joke.

yeah it is bad, but he's been doing it for years, why is he suddenly a joke for it?

Because he just been sparked out in the 2nd round after being battered non-stop for the previous 6 minutes. Regardless of how good Pacman is, i dont see the Hatton that fought Kosta getting mashed in the way he did against Pacman.

The fact is, it doesnt matter how long he's been abusing his body. It takes more of a toll on you as you get older - the fact Hatton has done little to address the issue is ridiculous. In fact its a joke!

[Dioufy]

His attitude towards his health is a joke, but that doesn't make him a joke. Just ask Magee, Thaxton, Zoo, Castillo, Malignaggi, ect, ect, if that is true.

[liamlion]

I dont think hatton would have done much better whenever he fought pacqauio, the pacqauio he fought that night is the best fighter in the world. he may have lasted longer a few years ago but he'd of took a worse beating overall.

Well, then we disagree. With the exception that Pacman was the world's best fighter when Hatton fought him.

[liamlion]

I dont think hatton would have done much better whenever he fought pacqauio, the pacqauio he fought that night is the best fighter in the world. he may have lasted longer a few years ago but he'd of took a worse beating overall.

Well, then we disagree. With the exception that Pacman was the world's best fighter when Hatton fought him.

how do we disagree? do you think hatton would have won?

I think he would have had a far greater chance of winning. Hatton's punch resistance seemed very poor last time out and where has his body punching gone?

[liamlion]

I think he would have had a far greater chance of winning. Hatton's punch resistance seemed very poor last time out and where has his body punching gone?

out the window along with his game plan as soon as he got dropped. his punch resistance clearly has deteriorated but I dont think he would do any better which ever hatton pacqauio faced. I just think he'd have lasted longer.

It would have been interesting to see how Pacman would have dealt with pressure from Hatton. Im sure that a younger, fresher Hatton would have been able to put it on Pacman for a good few rounds... whether that would have made a difference to the result, who knows?

All i know is that Hatton gave Pacman the space to tee-off on him.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hatton's lost a little of his speed, and a lot of his flexibility and manouverability, he isn't anywhere near as mobile as he used to be.

I think 3-4 years ago, Hatton would have had a shout and that his punch resistance would have kept him in the fight long enough to make a dent in Pacman. Whether he could have beaten him, who's to say, but he could definetely have improved on that performance.

[hitman_hatton1]

Hatton's lost a little of his speed, and a lot of his flexibility and manouverability, he isn't anywhere near as mobile as he used to be.

I think 3-4 years ago, Hatton would have had a shout and that his punch resistance would have kept him in the fight long enough to make a dent in Pacman. Whether he could have beaten him, who's to say, but he could definetely have improved on that performance.

don't think he ever would have beaten pac tbh.

tough style for rick.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hatton's lost a little of his speed, and a lot of his flexibility and manouverability, he isn't anywhere near as mobile as he used to be.

I think 3-4 years ago, Hatton would have had a shout and that his punch resistance would have kept him in the fight long enough to make a dent in Pacman. Whether he could have beaten him, who's to say, but he could definetely have improved on that performance.

don't think he ever would have beaten pac tbh.

tough style for rick.

Maybe not, but like I said, he may well have made a good fight of it. After all, Diaz lasted a lot longer than Hatton, and he's not exactly quicksilver.

I think the erosion of his punch resistance made Hatton cannon-fodder against Pacman.

[Dioufy]

I think the general feeling is that Pacquiao is a bigger puncher now that he doesn't have to cut as much weight.

[DG.]

I think the general feeling is that Pacquiao is a bigger puncher now that he doesn't have to cut as much weight.

No, he was a destroyer at the lower lower weights.

DLH said he does not hit hard at all.

Hattn has been rocked by Lazcano - Manny can punch but JMM stood up to him for 24 rounds and in my book beat him twice!

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think the general feeling is that Pacquiao is a bigger puncher now that he doesn't have to cut as much weight.

No, he was a destroyer at the lower lower weights.

DLH said he does not hit hard at all.

Hattn has been rocked by Lazcano - Manny can punch but JMM stood up to him for 24 rounds and in my book beat him twice!

DLH has a grade-A chin though, he's taken full blooded shots off of Mosley at his peak, and never went down, and look what Mosley did to Margarito.

I agree that Pacquaio is not perhaps as destructive at 140 as he was at 135 and lower.

Also, Marquez has a good defence, and is good at riding out the worst effects of a shot.

I think anyone who rushes straight at Pacquaio without thinking about what is coming back will get hurt even at 140. At 147, I don't think he will have as much pop against Cotto. Provided Cotto isn't weight trained, i expect it to be a bridge too far.

[Dioufy]

I wouldn't say rocked - buzzed is a better word. The Yanks act as if Hatton was a shot away from being stopped.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I think the general feeling is that Pacquiao is a bigger puncher now that he doesn't have to cut as much weight.

No, he was a destroyer at the lower lower weights.

DLH said he does not hit hard at all.

Hattn has been rocked by Lazcano - Manny can punch but JMM stood up to him for 24 rounds and in my book beat him twice!

He didnt technically stand up for all those 24 rounds did he now

PS Pac didnt hit DLH with his best shots and he was punching up, Pac was more flurrying in that fight because he didnt get as many decent openings, plus DLH probably weighed 160+ no matter what HBO reckon

PPS Yes Pac hits harder at 140-147, he's added that weight well and he isnt weakened by draining

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yeah, he was down three times in the bloody first!

I think at 135, Pacman looks about optimum, I think the Hatton result flatters him a bit at 140, because Hatton fought like a complete plonker on the night and played straight into his hands.

[alexpaterson]

I think Pac's power has increased as he has gone up the weight classes he was a big puncher at the lower weight classes but now I think he hits harder

[lurkyshaka]

Warren wanted to build the fight into a real battle of Britain for major world honours.

Warren wasn't keen on staging the fight early for domestic honours, but for world honours and the cash involved i expect he'd have allowed it to happen if of course he had both fighters under his unbrella.

Bit of a change of stance from you there??... "Warren wanted to build the fight.." to "I expect he'd have allowed it.." Out of interest which one is it??

Warren in his ideal world would keep all of his fighters apart and milk them all seperately...but as he can't quite do that, he's only happy to let them fight when the earnings are maximised. Thats common sense. He obviously didn't want Haton/Witter to happen at domestic level when it would be worth so much more later on.

It was Junior who went and left Warren and scuppered the fight happening at that time.

C'mon man get real. Do you seriously think that if Junior Witter had stayed with Warren he would have got the Hatton fight?? Not a single chance!

Witter left Warren as he wanted to attempt to step out of the shadow of Hatton and force a fight with Hatton. Witter was never ever gonna get a fight with Hatton as long as Hatton was with Warren. Witter isnt to blame for the fight not happening - he was the only one who actually wanted the fight.

Yes Witter would have gotten the fight if he'd stayed put as Warren was contractually agreed to make it happen thanks to the clause insisted upon by Hatton.

I'm mainly addressing the belief some hold that Hatton was scared of Witter....if that was the case then why would have have made Warren put in his contract extention that he must get a Witter bout.

But there is very good reason to conclude that Hatton didnt want any part of Witter... being scared is a rational explanation.

Hatton simply has to take his share of responsibility for the fight not happening too. Sure its been reported that Hatton insisted on a clause in his contract (with Warren) for a fight with Witter to take place. I have never seen the wording of the clause and am dubious that it ever existed. Why Hatton insisted on this you ask, i simply dont know. But notwithstanding this, Hatton never actually invoked that clause! Perhaps you might care to attempt to justify why this might have been??

Er because Witter had already left Warren perhaps

And lest face it, if that clause didn't exist then Warren surely would have fired that bullet a long time ago in his several year hate campaign against the Hatton's.

Its completely irrelevant stating that if Witter had beaten Bradley etc... firstly, it was always said by Hatton that Witter brought nothing to the table (e.g. not enough money, no title, no fans), then he won and defended the WBC title and all of a sudden Hatton said he would never give Witter the pay day. Face it... Warren never wanted the fight and nor did Hatton, despite this shite about a clause in his contract... actions speak louder than words.

Which reminds me, a few years ago didnt Witter state that he would fight Hatton for free as long as his training expenses were covered? Hatton cant escape the fact that he ducked his domestic rival.

Junior later went back on that comment and laughingly added he'd maybe spoke a little hastily. I suspect after word got to him he might be taken up on that exact offer. As much as Junior wanted a Hatton fight he'd never have taken it for nowt....and you ought to give your head a second boil if you think he would.

For the record HBO have got fcuk all to do with the fight happening... what exactly did Eamonn Magee, Juan Lazcano, Stephen Smith, Joe Hutchinson, Aldo Rios, Dennis Pedersen, Ray Oliveria (etc, etc) mean to HBO??

Hatton wasn't with HBO then silly

The fight at the the time of those fights was still too small for Warren's liking...then when Witter left Frankie it died a full death as far as ever happening under Warren's steam. By the time Hatton became a HBO fighter, HBO were never interested in Witter as an opponent for Hatton. And obviously as they paid a large part of his wages so they had a large say so in proceedings.

[liamlion]

Er because Witter had already left Warren perhaps

And lest face it, if that clause didn't exist then Warren surely would have fired that bullet a long time ago in his several year hate campaign against the Hatton's.

I will actually put you right on the situation as your speculation is ridiculous and so way off the mark.

Have a look at this article given by Ricky Hatton to the MEN in March 2006, there was never actually any clause inserted into Hatton's contract for a fight with Witter to be made. The reason for the non-inclusion of the clause is given (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... itter.html):

“And at one time, the Hitman was so angered by the Bradford man's jibes that he insisted then-promoter allegedly should insert a clause in his contract to ensure a fight with Witter.

But Warren managed to persuade Hatton that he had bigger fish to fry, and that Witter was simply trying to goad him into a lucrative pay-day.”:

Hatton wasn't with HBO then silly

I think you'll find that Hatton absolutely was with HBO when he fought Juan Lazcano silly.

Just for the record, in the same article (dated March 2006) when at the time Hatton was already signed with HBO he said:

"If Witter wins the WBC I will definitely fight him, because he will have something I want."

Clearly Hatton never thought that HBO would put a block on the fight. The simple reality is that HBO werent the problem. Lets face it Hatton and Warren are both to blame for not wanting the fight with Witter. Hatton has literally used about 5 different reasons at many different points to justify not fighting Witter.

If Hatton had ever wanted the fight with Witter it would have happened - its that simple!

[DG.]

"If Witter wins the WBC I will definitely fight him, because he will have something I want."


If Hatton had ever wanted the fight with Witter it would have happened - its that simple!

Hatton must be laughing hs head off at the UK Boxing fans, how some fell for his crap is beyond me!

He had at least 7 excuses not to fight Witter.

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