Calzageh on froch

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Sep 2004, 11:43

He can punch, and the right hand down between the guard was a good shot. I think yes, of course the hague fight was always going to flatter, but we've seen him bust up Woolnough and Adamu who were both pretty tough. Adamu was pretty ragged by the end.

We do need to see him in with someone a bit more special than Hague, but at least if he goes the traditional route he will unavoidably come up against some decent level competition.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 30 Sep 2004, 11:50

He has gotta get that Dodson fight. I think that would be a fight against someone we have seen befor and know a bit about, the way in which froch could or couldn't deal with him would tell us a lot about how he will fair at europian level.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 30 Sep 2004, 11:51

I bloody hope Adamu was ragged, he was having his second 12-rounder in less than a fortnight.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:02

Two fights a fortnight apart is not going to make you totally knackered, christ, the old timers used to fight that often and more often than that, have a look at archie moore's record.

It's inactivity which is the enemy, not activity. Too much time in the gym might wear a fighter out, but if a fighter is fighting regularly, then at least they are going to be in shape. Adamu was hurt and dropped at the end.

I'm not saying Froch is the second coming, but he's a puncher of that there is no doubt. I may end up eating my words, and not for the first time, but I think that there are a lot of beatable fighters in the upper reaches of the division, look how shaky Mundine looks, Green seems to get gassed in fights, Reid has a low workrate.

The real test as I said will come when Carl fights someone with a good chin who is aggressive, then we'll see whether his power and skills are good enough to live with someone who is belting him back, because his defence really doesn't seem to be up to much.

At least with Froch and Haye, they seem willing to risk getting found out early in their careers.[/quote]

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:08

Speak for yourself mate, if I had the choice of either having 6 weeks each to prepare for two fights or fighting them back to back I know which I'd go for.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:11

No I didn't mean that. I meant better that, than some guy whose last fight was a year ago, and who was woefully out of shape in the run in to the fight. Of course it's better to have 6-10 weeks preparation for a fight, but Adamu is unlikely to have been in bad shape. How out of shape can your body get in 2 weeks?

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:19

I'm not saying Adamu would have needed another 6+ weeks to prepare for Froch, but surely 2 weeks isn't a long enough break in between two 12 round contests, if you're looking to match the best of Froch with the best of Adamu.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:24

Was that contest a substitute one, I cannot remember now. However, at the stage he was at, taking on someone who went 12 with Tsypko was a pretty good tester, and Froch got 12 pretty hard round out of it.

I'd seen Adamu against Barney, and he looked like a fumbling novice, but he looked a completely different fighter against Froch, I think he shocked everyone when he boxed effectively behind the jab, because against Barney he delivered his punches like a west indian fast bowler.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:24

It depends.... I think fitness wise he may have been slightly, but only slightly below par. However in terms of his sharpness he was in a better position than carl froch who had had about 10 weeks out. In many ways it is swings and rounderbouts. I guess that is why Adamu had the early rounds and froch the later ones though.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Was that contest a substitute one, I cannot remember now. However, at the stage he was at, taking on someone who went 12 with Tsypko was a pretty good tester, and Froch got 12 pretty hard round out of it.

I'd seen Adamu against Barney, and he looked like a fumbling novice, but he looked a completely different fighter against Froch, I think he shocked everyone when he boxed effectively behind the jab, because against Barney he delivered his punches like a west indian fast bowler.

It was a substitute that is the first time Dodson pulled out.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 30 Sep 2004, 12:27

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think he shocked everyone when he boxed effectively behind the jab, because against Barney he delivered his punches like a west indian fast bowler.

Hah that's because Barney was doing his Justin Gatlin impersonation.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 01 Oct 2004, 10:14

http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.p ... e&sid=5033

THe saga continues, personaly I think Froch is having his mouth right cheqs his body can't cash.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Oct 2004, 10:19

Granted Calzaghe's career has stagnated but he is streets ahead of Froch and I think the young pup is talking out of turn. He's just won the British title against Hague for christs sake.

I'd quite like to see it happen so Calzaghe can spark him and shut him up.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 01 Oct 2004, 10:27

I think froch is a genuin prospect but he needs to watch what he says in these instances or people will stop listening.