Barbados Joe Walcott’s Birthday

[Collins2000]

as if that was somethin'

It gave him a chance to mention 'clueless shill' Goldman.

Goldman was running The Ring when granberry (aka Paddy Dolan) was sending in fake fight results for his protege Donald "Biff" Kline.

No wonder Paddy would rather talk about Kid Azteca (not that he has anything other than a comic book cover to share) rather than his own days mis-managing a couple of fighters in the 70's.

Nat Loubet was still running The Ring at that time. The USA boxing tournament scandal occurred in 1977. Goldman joined the staff in 1978.

Actually Ray, I was hoping Paddy would have taken the bait and jumped in with the correction as he knew very well who he was sending those fake fight results to.

[Collins2000]

Come on, granberry, tell us that bullshit story about you handing out OJ at fight cards.

That was so funny when the real boxing guys told us what a jackass you were.

You cried more than that fat bitch Irene does.

[BoxBuzz]

gran, we all like your picture, we know who the fighters are, (and for anyone who didn't you've certainly raised awareness levels.) We are happy to know that Dempsey is an inch taller than we might have imagined and/or that you are good at catching Type-O's. Nothing wrong with good attention to detail on occasion.

Also delighted to hear that you are still of the belief that Collins lives in alternate life style bliss. Your opinion on Herbert Goldman is always fascinating to hear even if the error you attribute to him is off in terms of time lines. (Why bring attention to detail into personal matters right?).

Glad to have you back, always a pleasure, looking forward to hearing your opinions on the various subject matter as always. Can I get you a coke? a beer? some chips or peanuts maybe? After all, this thread is a bit of a birthday celebration and I'm thinkin' Barbados Joe would want us all to keep em up, no rabbit punching and no hitting on the breaks.

How long you plan on being around?

[granberry]

Clueless buz -- the so-called 'moderator' who doesn't have a clue what boxing is

and the homosexually fixated collins who turns boxrec into a toilet with the 'moderators' full approval

The two stalwarts of boxrec---a supposed 'boxing' site.

[granberry]

It was my goal to put Walcott up for posthumous induction in to the World Boxing Hall of Fame, along with a a group of forgotten pioneers, in 2010.
As chairman of the WBHOF Selection Commitee this past year, I was disappointed that nobody involved with the WBHOF has any historical knowledge of the sport.

-Rick Farris

If Walcott wasn't in FIRST, then that just proves what we all know :

that the fraudulent group isn't worth a sh*t.

That is exactly what such phony "Hall of fame" groups are--not to mention so-called "boxing" sites such as this.

A group of the clueless who congregate and think they are impressing someone as they parade their total cluelessness on the subject they know nothing about.

What a SICK exhibition.

[granberry]

George Dixon's grave (Mount Hope Cemetery - Mattapan, MA):





George Dixon

A noble warrior . . . a courageous heart.

Imagine the bravery it took to journey into the Deep deep South that was New Orleans and fight Jack Skelly for the world's title in 1892!

raylawc,

Tell us all about Tom O'Rourke and the rest of the crew he brought with him when his fighters like Dixon fought.

You know who Tom O'Rourke is don't you, rawlawc.

And of course you know all about Tom O'Rourke's methods.

LOL.

If you don't, check with your mentor collins and he will tell you ALL ABOUT Tom O'Rourke.

[granberry]

Poor raylawc got OWNED here:

You are one of those sad individuals who probably believes the Holocaust never occurred, and that the Apollo moon landing was staged by NASA in a Houston TV studio. And now you've added one more to the list: Racism didn't exist in Post-Reconstruction New Orleans.

- Stuff a rag in it Jacko. Don't recall asking for or receiving assistance from your candied ass when taking on the whole lot of your Islamic terrorist buddies wanting to drive Israel into the sea: http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 47&start=0

Harry Wills was born in NO and defended his coloured title there against McVea, Langford, Clark, and many others. He didn't drag them down to get lynched. Jack Johnson traveled extensively through the south with little incident other than paying off speeding tickets and laughing off a few insults.

New Orleans was the Paris of the US and Dixon would've been treated as a king regardless of any isolated incidents. You fail to understand how the rail system operated with black porters being one of the highest paid service postions in the country with exclusive control over the service and hospitality operations. Dixon would've traveled in a segregated car, treated like a king and protected from any rough patches that may have existed during his travels.

You haven't even wiped out racism in your generation, so really, what good are you other than a laugh at your hormones going whacko?

These early black contenders and champs were extensive world travelers and a lot more savvy than to hang around on the street corner munching moon pies while waiting for the klan to ride by for a drag thru.

raylawc, I suggest you get in touch with the 'moderators'

and have them delete this post that NAILS you so thoroughly.

[BoxBuzz]

How can a single statement from a single poster on a boxing forum be taken as gospel granberry? Apparently if Thomas Hauser didn't write it must be so.

As for the statement I find little to argue about with the exception of the risk assessment. Which I think would be his main point. What BRR talks about has been widely written about. But it only takes one exception to these general "rules of civility" that he imagines as some sort of rock solid dynamic for someone to lose their life back then.. Might want to check the record books for just how many times that assumption cost someone their oxygen. Sure a celeb would get top treatment, protections and likely be tolerated due to assessed "blowback" by those folks at the table I've alluded to. Also there was a bit of economic allowance for the "haves" vs the "have ntos". But BRR is just showing great passion for a subject, without matching it with the knowledge of the true realities as is often the case for him. You could frame BRR's statement as a best case scenario but he's writing on the very edge of the facts instead of surrounding himself with same.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

What BRR talks about has been widely written about. But it only takes one exception to these general "rules of civility" that he imagines as some sort of rock solid dynamic for someone to lose their life back then.. Might want to check the record books for just how many times that assumption cost someone their oxygen. Sure a celeb would get top treatment, protections and likely be tolerated due to assessed "blowback" by those folks at the table I've alluded to. Also there was a bit of economic allowance for the "haves" vs the "have ntos". But BRR is just showing great passion for a subject, without matching it with the knowledge of the true realities as is often the case for him. You could frame BRR's statement as a best case scenario but he's writing on the very edge of the facts instead of surrounding himself with same.

- Have no idea what vacuous ethereal vapours you've been dancing in to become so buzzed as to reference me thrice in a single paragraph, but I am reminded that when I came to this board I was widely accused of being this granberry character who seemingly has made a belated comeback to befuddle and/or otherwise confound the lot of you.

Whatever you may be so buzzed as to think of me, it will be seldom you see me mouth the soft, easily gummed platitudes thrown out by the common boxrec forum lot as gospel.

So I suggest you pull on your big boy pants and do the hard work of addressing your nemesis directly instead of using me to obfuscate whatever fuzzy point you're trying to make.

[BoxBuzz]

Well Ok then. I'll just grab a chair and delight in your future tutelage. If you do happen to make a wild or outlandish judgment or or an error fact, I know I can depend on you to just check with yourself and self correct in a timely manner.

If you should make such a misstep I just hope the shock of such an unexpected event doesn't cause mass widespread panic, as folks may take such an anomaly as a harbinger of the end of days,the apocalypse and so on.