Did you consider Mike Dokes champion at any point?

[BoxBuzz]

Sorry Robinson, sure I agree with your analysis, and you have presented the facts, however I have to go with BRR's story here. It's got intrigue, drama, dark motives, stealth operators, occult sidebars. Nope as far as a good story goes, BRR is the man. Unbiased data and Non Fiction can never compete with the finest of yarns.

[Flump]

Norton beats Young.
Holmes beats Shavers.
Holmes beats Norton...

Young 'fades' away.

When should Holmes have faced Young ?
In 1976-77 ? What good would have that done
for Young, considering he was the name at the
time. He had his wins over Foreman and Lyle and his
close run with Ali in this time. Besides some safe fights
against journeymen...when and why would he have
fought Holmes?

Why would Young's people have wanted to fight Holmes,
I personally think Holmes would have benefited fighting
Young. How could he not ?

Occasio beat Young, and eliminated him...it gets no more
simpler than that

You're wasting your time Kym, BRR is probably trying to pin the JFK assasination on Holmes too. It may interest BRR to know that Holmes and Coetzee were due to fight at Caesars in Las Vegas in 1984, obviously it fell through but both had signed for the fight, i'll look into why it never came off unless anybody knows off the top of their head?

[Robinson]

I don't think he had anything to do with the JFK assasination,
BUT the fake moon landings are a whole nother story.

[BoxBuzz]

Norton beats Young.
Holmes beats Shavers.
Holmes beats Norton...

Young 'fades' away.

When should Holmes have faced Young ?
In 1976-77 ? What good would have that done
for Young, considering he was the name at the
time. He had his wins over Foreman and Lyle and his
close run with Ali in this time. Besides some safe fights
against journeymen...when and why would he have
fought Holmes?

Why would Young's people have wanted to fight Holmes,
I personally think Holmes would have benefited fighting
Young. How could he not ?

Occasio beat Young, and eliminated him...it gets no more
simpler than that

You're wasting your time Kym, BRR is probably trying to pin the JFK assasination on Holmes too. It may interest BRR to know that Holmes and Coetzee were due to fight at Caesars in Las Vegas in 1984, obviously it fell through but both had signed for the fight, i'll look into why it never came off unless anybody knows off the top of their head?

As I recall nothing to do with the fighters, but for politics this would have happened. And I think it was rather mainstream politics. The government of South Africa being in some front page hot water created some pressure for anyone putting up money to legitimize a citizen of that country getting into such a prestigious position. The Mad Cow sort of stuff and nothing to do with the sport or the principals.....I think ticket sales would have worked out fine, but PC folks got into it and made it too hard to accomplish.

Anyone else remember anything about this?

[raylawpc]

Norton beats Young.
Holmes beats Shavers.
Holmes beats Norton...

Young 'fades' away.

When should Holmes have faced Young ?
In 1976-77 ? What good would have that done
for Young, considering he was the name at the
time. He had his wins over Foreman and Lyle and his
close run with Ali in this time. Besides some safe fights
against journeymen...when and why would he have
fought Holmes?

Why would Young's people have wanted to fight Holmes,
I personally think Holmes would have benefited fighting
Young. How could he not ?

Occasio beat Young, and eliminated him...it gets no more
simpler than that

You're wasting your time Kym, BRR is probably trying to pin the JFK assasination on Holmes too. It may interest BRR to know that Holmes and Coetzee were due to fight at Caesars in Las Vegas in 1984, obviously it fell through but both had signed for the fight, i'll look into why it never came off unless anybody knows off the top of their head?

BRR just joined Granberry in my computer's "ignore" room. The ignore function is a great thing!

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

BRR just joined Granberry in my computer's "ignore" room. The ignore function is a great thing!

- Too late Jacko, you already joined my bad combo list of mean and ignorant with your baiting halocaust accusations and the way you throw in behind the flotsam that bothers to corrupt the history section of boxrec with baiting an old man minding his own business who runs a gym where he teaches self defense and boxing for those interested.

As for flumpy:

It may interest BRR to know that Holmes and Coetzee were due to fight at Caesars in Las Vegas in 1984, obviously it fell through but both had signed for the fight, i'll look into why it never came off unless anybody knows off the top of their head?

My dear boy, here is Coetzee after the Dokes KO, start at 5:30 for the high lights and interview where he can be seen profusely thanking Larry's promoter for the opportunity to fight for a title. When asked about fighting Larry he alludes to difficulties he doesn't want to reveal from a year previous lest he ruin any opportunity. In 84 Larry ends up in Vegas against unknown Smith whereas Greg Page scores the big money jackpot in South Africa where he upsets Coetzee.

SA was offered, but Larry drew the SA colour line plain and simple:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupQvI_u ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgB2YmY ... re=related

While you're at it, why don't you go fetch why Larry could never unify against WBA/WBC champs Spoon, Thomas, Tate, Weaver, Dokes, Coetzee, Page, Tubbs and why he failed to meet highly ranked, undefeated era contender who knocked him out, Dwayne Bobick, or future champs fighting as good a comp as better than he was fighting in Tucker, Bruno, Douglas, and a few other names that escape me. That should keep you busy for a year.

One wouldn't expect Holmes to meet all, but really, Marvis, Frank, LeDoux, Zanon, Cobb, Rodriguez, ect, they just ain't makin' the grade when much larger fights are begging to be made.

After 84, both are finished at the top, so it becomes a moot point.

[BoxBuzz]

just don't call it a "mute" point.

Anyway your reasoning don't seem all that sound to my way of thinkin'.

[Collins2000]

Sorry Robinson, sure I agree with your analysis, and you have presented the facts, however I have to go with BRR's story here. It's got intrigue, drama, dark motives, stealth operators, occult sidebars. Nope as far as a good story goes, BRR is the man. Unbiased data and Non Fiction can never compete with the finest of yarns.

It's also ruining any serious discussion on several topics.

I'm joining "ray" and putting that prick BRR on ignore.

How to do it?

Click on his username.
Click on "add foe".
Click on "yes".
Click on "board Index".

[BoxBuzz]

For you and your faithful following I suggest using the "nix the fiction" feature......also known as the ignore control. It'll be as if BRR is out of the manufacturing business all together......for some it increases the pleasurable aspects of viewing the various topics.

[Collins2000]

For you and your faithful following I suggest using the "nix the fiction" feature......also known as the ignore control. It'll be as if BRR is out of the manufacturing business all together......for some it increases the pleasurable aspects of viewing the various topics.

By comparison, granberry is funny.

This weirdo is just nasty. I feel dirty after reading his posts.

[BoxBuzz]

For you and your faithful following I suggest using the "nix the fiction" feature......also known as the ignore control. It'll be as if BRR is out of the manufacturing business all together......for some it increases the pleasurable aspects of viewing the various topics.

By comparison, granberry is funny.

This weirdo is just nasty. I feel dirty after reading his posts.

No problem, didn't you see these when you walked in? They are always available for post BRR moments.

[Collins2000]

Cheers, mate.

I've got the filthy dog on ignore now, so I should be OK.

There will still be a few who want to roll naked in the mud with him. Good luck to them.

[raylawpc]

For you and your faithful following I suggest using the "nix the fiction" feature......also known as the ignore control. It'll be as if BRR is out of the manufacturing business all together......for some it increases the pleasurable aspects of viewing the various topics.

By comparison, granberry is funny.

This weirdo is just nasty. I feel dirty after reading his posts.

To each his own. I think Granberry is about as funny as herpes and just as hard to get rid of.

[Collins2000]

For you and your faithful following I suggest using the "nix the fiction" feature......also known as the ignore control. It'll be as if BRR is out of the manufacturing business all together......for some it increases the pleasurable aspects of viewing the various topics.

By comparison, granberry is funny.

This weirdo is just nasty. I feel dirty after reading his posts.

To each his own. I think Granberry is about as funny as venereal disease.

In that scenario, I see granberry as a mild form of NSU while BRR is a bad dose of total cock rot.

[BoxBuzz]

An observation: The humor of VD lies ultimately with whom it has chosen to visit.

[Nile4000]

He was a champ, but if he could've just won that title without the shadiness attached to it.

Not Dokes' fault, though I think the rematch and the Coetzee debacle are more indicative of his true skill level.

Perhaps, but I think the Coetzee fight was more indicative of his lack of focus and discipline. A friend of mine worked security for a number of parties held prior to that fight, and based on his observations, Dokes was far from focused on his opponent.

I heard he was quite the wildman as an amateur too.