Junior Witter/Devon Alexander

[states]

Really? The Cotto that nearly folded against the unknown Torres? The Cotto that lost several rounds against Malignaggi? I don't think you'd have to be a fool to pick the Hatton of 2005 against the weight-drained 140lb Cotto. Go to 147 over the last few years and yes, I agree, it's Cotto all the way. But it was hardly a mismatch a few years ago, at light welterweight.

[opticald]

Really? The Cotto that nearly folded against the unknown Torres? The Cotto that lost several rounds against Malignaggi? I don't think you'd have to be a fool to pick the Hatton of 2005 against the weight-drained 140lb Cotto. Go to 147 over the last few years and yes, I agree, it's Cotto all the way. But it was hardly a mismatch a few years ago, at light welterweight.

Hatton would have been stopped with body shots very very easily. It wouldn't even have been a contest. You are entitled to your opinion but Cotto is, was and always will be, several leagues above Hatton.

[Deserter]

Really? The Cotto that nearly folded against the unknown Torres? The Cotto that lost several rounds against Malignaggi? I don't think you'd have to be a fool to pick the Hatton of 2005 against the weight-drained 140lb Cotto. Go to 147 over the last few years and yes, I agree, it's Cotto all the way. But it was hardly a mismatch a few years ago, at light welterweight.

Hatton would have been stopped with body shots very very easily. It wouldn't even have been a contest. You are entitled to your opinion but Cotto is, was and always will be, several leagues above Hatton.

Fella, your clear anti-Hatton bias is increasingly tiresome and boring. I certainly don't think Hatton was the ATG that some make him out to be, but States is providing a balanced perspective... far more so than you.

[dondada]

Hatton definitely did NOT duck Pinto. Don't want to do a Spud on you but there's plenty I can tell you over a pint which I can't put on here. Sky put quite a bit of effort into promoting it and when, at the last minute, they got Pedersen instead, they were...ahem...upset.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hatton definitely did NOT duck Pinto. Don't want to do a Spud on you but there's plenty I can tell you over a pint which I can't put on here. Sky put quite a bit of effort into promoting it and when, at the last minute, they got Pedersen instead, they were...ahem...upset.

I see to recall there being quite a saga over Pinto wasn't there? Something to do with money (isn't it always) I seem to recall.

[opticald]

Really? The Cotto that nearly folded against the unknown Torres? The Cotto that lost several rounds against Malignaggi? I don't think you'd have to be a fool to pick the Hatton of 2005 against the weight-drained 140lb Cotto. Go to 147 over the last few years and yes, I agree, it's Cotto all the way. But it was hardly a mismatch a few years ago, at light welterweight.

Hatton would have been stopped with body shots very very easily. It wouldn't even have been a contest. You are entitled to your opinion but Cotto is, was and always will be, several leagues above Hatton.

Fella, your clear anti-Hatton bias is increasingly tiresome and boring. I certainly don't think Hatton was the ATG that some make him out to be, but States is providing a balanced perspective... far more so than you.

Hmmm, I don't see much wrong with suggesting Miguel Cotto is several leagues above Ricky Hatton. States sounds like the kind of person who would give 2005 Ricky (who had a very tough fight with Maussa and was cut to shreds) a chance with Mayweather.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Several? How can he be several leagues above. Hatton is a two weight world champion, not some clubfighter.

I'd put Cotto as a near-great fighter, Hatton a very good fighter, Pacquaio is clearly an all time great.

[DG.]

Now the interesting thing is that once.....along time ago, i made a remark about your own sexual preference DG and was given a warning.....will you be getting one...Me say , no,no,no

Thats life!

Accept it - there is only one DG.

DD

[Poncey]

Several? How can he be several leagues above. Hatton is a two weight world champion, not some clubfighter.

I'd put Cotto as a near-great fighter, Hatton a very good fighter, Pacquaio is clearly an all time great.

I'd largely agree with that statement.

Cotto's draining to make 140 is under-rated (even Malignaggi rocked him at the weight). How he even made lightweight in his early days would make Kerry blush. For me, it massively affected his punch resistance.

Torres was on short notice. He'd trained for a different challenge.

[Deserter]

Several? How can he be several leagues above. Hatton is a two weight world champion, not some clubfighter.

I'd put Cotto as a near-great fighter, Hatton a very good fighter, Pacquaio is clearly an all time great.

I'd largely agree with that statement.

Cotto's draining to make 140 is under-rated (even Malignaggi rocked him at the weight). How he even made lightweight in his early days would make Kerry blush. For me, it massively affected his punch resistance.

Torres was on short notice. He'd trained for a different challenge.

Yep, this to me is a far more balanced perspective than Opticald's anti-Hatton stance and the Hatton 'nuthuggers' at the other end of the spectrum.

[banjo]

The Cotto who looked absolute gash against Branco and Malignaggi would have lost to Hatton, he was too weak at the weight end of.

[opticald]

The Cotto who looked absolute gash against Branco and Malignaggi would have lost to Hatton, he was too weak at the weight end of.

This sort of post would get jumped on if posted on ANY american forums.

[Asterix]

The Cotto who looked absolute gash against Branco and Malignaggi would have lost to Hatton, he was too weak at the weight end of.

I agree.

[Adamj1987]

The Cotto who looked absolute gash against Branco and Malignaggi would have lost to Hatton, he was too weak at the weight end of.

indeed and because cotto looked bad against malignaggi, paulie got more credit than he deserved for losing to him bravely. i think if cotto had been 100% and not drained then paulie would be looked at in the same way alfonso gomez was - game but not in his league

[banjo]

The Cotto who looked absolute gash against Branco and Malignaggi would have lost to Hatton, he was too weak at the weight end of.

This sort of post would get jumped on if posted on ANY american forums.

Cotto was wasted at 140 at that stage, he was like a corpse, a peak form Cotto would have pulverised Malignaggi and Branco inside 3 rounds on the same night.

[Adamj1987]

cotto was in better shape than DLH vs acman but its the same principle - he couldnt put up the fight he would have liked through like of energy

[opticald]

How exactly is Hatton going to beat Miguel Cotto? By rushing forward and applying pressure? Seems like a good way to get killed in the ring to me. Hatton has next to nothing defensively and is nowhere near the class of Cotto as a boxer, has not got the punch selection of Cotto or the power of Cotto. Cotto always found a way to win fights and would have actually enjoyed himself counter punching the f*ck out of Hatton as he came in. I think it would be over early with body shots.

[Adamj1987]

How exactly is Hatton going to beat Miguel Cotto? By rushing forward and applying pressure? Seems like a good way to get killed in the ring to me. Hatton has next to nothing defensively and is nowhere near the class of Cotto as a boxer, has not got the punch selection of Cotto or the power of Cotto. Cotto always found a way to win fights and would have actually enjoyed himself counter punching the f*ck out of Hatton as he came in. I think it would be over early with body shots.

hatton has defensive skills look at some of the figts pre-tszyu where he uses them but he choses to neglect them as it gives his fans more excitment - therefore he gets ritcher

although he stands no chance vs cotto

[opticald]

Several? How can he be several leagues above. Hatton is a two weight world champion, not some clubfighter.

I'd put Cotto as a near-great fighter, Hatton a very good fighter, Pacquaio is clearly an all time great.

I'd largely agree with that statement.

Cotto's draining to make 140 is under-rated (even Malignaggi rocked him at the weight). How he even made lightweight in his early days would make Kerry blush. For me, it massively affected his punch resistance.

Torres was on short notice. He'd trained for a different challenge.

Yep, this to me is a far more balanced perspective than Opticald's anti-Hatton stance and the Hatton 'nuthuggers' at the other end of the spectrum.

Well, could you point out ONE advantage Hatton has over Cotto in a match? Besides relying on Cotto being weight drained. I wonder how many Hatton fans here would have had money on Hatton beating Cotto if the fight came off then. Keep in mind, this Hatton had difficulty with Maussa.

[HughJohnson]

Now the interesting thing is that once.....along time ago, i made a remark about your own sexual preference DG and was given a warning.....will you be getting one...Me say , no,no,no

Thats life!

Accept it - there is only one DG.

DD

No thats not life...thats some prick moderator on a internet forum not liking his boyfriend getting ripped to bits. Knowing your mother as.....er....well as i do....i very much doubt there is only one DG, probly lots of little Dickless Gobblemerchants touting thier shoddy, inept opinion all over topics that they know very little about.

Now thats a reason to give me a warning.....Or more likley banning me....Now THATS LIFE!! 8)

[lefthook82]

A healthy Cotto beats a healthy Hatton more times than not in my view

It matters not a jot though as that fight managed not to happen depite seeming like a natural all those years ago. Then again, its not like boxing to avoid matching up two evenly-ih skilled fighters is it.......

[lurkyshaka]

Well, could you point out ONE advantage Hatton has over Cotto in a match? Besides relying on Cotto being weight drained. I wonder how many Hatton fans here would have had money on Hatton beating Cotto if the fight came off then. Keep in mind, this Hatton had difficulty with Maussa.

Comapring both fighters at their best Hatton had a much higher workrate and a better chin than Miguel.

You talk about Hatton having difficulty with Maussa...but in reality he won just about every round after being badly cut from a headbutt early, and then KO'd the columbian nutcase.

Problem when comparing Cotto and Hatton, is their best weights were different. Cotto's prime came at 147, whereas Hatton's was at 140. Hatton at welter was clearly not the monster he was at light-welter.

In truth its unfair to compare due to this issue. But the 140 version of Hatton against the 140 version of Cotto?....I'd take Hatton every day of the week. Cotto was weak and could only fight in spurts. That'd never have been enough against the prime Hatton who'd have been forcing a massive pace from the off.

At welter Cotto would have to be favoured as he could fight at a better pace and Hatton was/is undersized at the weight.

[Poncey]

Fight over. Thread locked.