Marving Hagler vs Ray Leonard -the scoring thread

[Robinson]

In the same vein as Collins Ali-Young thread i would like to see
and share how each of us scored this fight.

Some have it for Leonard and others for Hagler.
I have previously scored this fight, but I would like to re watch it
and re score it.

So shall we do the same thing over the course of a few days ?

[Collins2000]

Not for me. I did it fairly recently. I had Leonard winning by 7 rounds to 5.

[Robinson]

Do you have your score card ?

Id like to compare my scores with others...if thats cool.

I had some rounds close that Id like to see where others
went.

I scored this one last year I think. I am interested to
see how I have it now.

I have the day of work, so I am going to get to the
bout straight away/

[Robinson]

Round 1.

Leonard ran, flurried. Hagler followed...and followed.

10-9 Leonard. but just though

[Robinson]

Round 2
10-9 Leonard
Round 3
10-9 Leonard

Leonard ran, flurried, picked and pecked. Hagler followed.

[allworld80]

RD 1

Leonard on his bicycle, Hagler stalking the entire round. Not one single punch of any signifigance landed for either fighter.

Leonard a little busier, if you can call it that. 10-9 Leonard.

[Robinson]

Round 4
Leonard 10-9

Round 5
Hagler 10-9

[Robinson]

Round 6
Leonard 10-9

Round 7
Hagler 10-9

Round 8
Leonard 10-9

Round 9
Leonard 10-9
close one...

Round 10
10-10 even round.
I could see it argued either way.

Round 11
10-9 Leonard

Round 12
Hagler 10-9

117-112 Leonard. The last time I scored it I had it 116-113 Leonard.

[Robinson]

I really really wanted to score it for Hagler. But this is how I ended
up scoring it.

[Collins2000]

I was a Hagler fan and wanted him to crush Leonard.

Unfortunately he never came close.

Despite what a few haters claim.

[Robinson]

I agree. I want Hagler to win each time I watch it. But you can not fault
the talent and skill of Ray. He over came a lot to get that win.

Good fight, for both guys. Hagler did too little to stop his title from being
stolen.

[BoxBuzz]

anyone have a hyperlink to the fight for easy reference?

[alexpaterson]

I've seen it twice
1st time I had it 7-5 to Leonard and the 2nd I had it level 6-6 i'll watch it again soon it was so close though

[Flump]

7-5 Leonard, I try very hard to be generous to the bald one but have never been able to come up with a different score.

[Rocky Balboa]

I think Hagler-Leonard would have been one of the most eagerly anticipated rematches of all time, maybe THE most anticipated!

Leonard was no fool & you have to give him credit for negotiating things in his favour for the fight, like the fight being twelve rounds, ring size, etc.

I really believe Leonard felt if the fight was scheduled for fifteen, then Hagler might stop him! I mean, at the end of the day, an extra three rounds is just that & things can change quickly in Boxing!

The rematch should have happened soon after the first fight because once Hagler had been out for a year, I do not think his desire was the same! No way Ray was going to grant him a reamtch soon after the first bout!

[John Galt]

I scored it 5-5-2 but didn't know my scores until I totaled them at the end. I assumed that I had Leonard ahead because it seemed he was winning. Maybe Leonard won his rounds bigger? I think it was a good fight with a lot of back and forth. If I scored it again it would probably be different.

I like Gil Clancy, but I'm not sure I agree with him about Hagler being slow - Leonard was just fast.

I scored 1-4 for Leonard, 5 for Hagler, 6 Even, 7-10 for Hagler, 11 for Leonard, and 12 Even.

[allworld80]

Round 2

Clinching is the theme of this round, and I gave Hagler a slight edge while they were locked up.

10-9 Hagler

19-19 through 2

[Ezzard]

Round 6
Leonard 10-9

Round 7
Hagler 10-9

Round 8
Leonard 10-9

Round 9
Leonard 10-9
close one...

Round 10
10-10 even round.
I could see it argued either way.

Round 11
10-9 Leonard

Round 12
Hagler 10-9

117-112 Leonard. The last time I scored it I had it 116-113 Leonard.

Isn't round 9 the round when Hagler batters him in the corner? Ray comes out fighting but even so...

[Robinson]

And last time i scored round 9 for Hagler.
This time around, I had it for Ray.

[raylawpc]

I scored it at the time either 7-5 or 6-5-1 for Hagler (it was 20 years ago, and I can't remember which), and, yes, I scored one of the first four rounds for Hagler. I'm pretty sure it was 7-5 because I remember, going into the last round, looking at my scorecard and thinking I might have to score it a draw if Leonard could rally in the 12th. Based on what I recall, I think I scored it by rounds:

1 - Leonard
2 - Leonard
3 - Hagler
4- Leonard
5- Hagler
6 - Leonard (At this point I remember thinking that Hagler was blowing it, and letting Leonard steal his title.)
7 - Hagler
8 - Hagler
9 - Hagler
10 - Hagler
11 - Leonard
12- Hagler

I know I was also tempted to score one of the Hagler rounds as even, but I don't think that I did.

I always stick with my original scorecard because I only score fights that I saw in real time (so I'm not influenced because I already know the outcome, or because I've read what others have said and I'm influenced by that) The judges don't get the benefit of hindsight or "expert" commentary, so why should I?

I always take anything I (or anybody else) score off film or TV with a grain of salt. There is nothing like seeing the fight live.

I personally believe it was a very close and competitve fight, and I have no serious argument with anybody who scored it for Leonard. But I think Hagler won it, based on what I saw on the screen.

[Goodnight, Irene]

"...I always stick with my original scorecard because I only score fights that I saw in real time (so I'm not influenced because I already know the outcome, or because I've read what others have said and I'm influenced by that) The judges don't get the benefit of hindsight or "expert" commentary, so why should I..." - RaylawPC

That's one of the shrewder things I've seen jotted down in this forum in some time.

[Robinson]

Ray

The thing is our appreciation for the fight game also changes.
One may know more about boxing as they get older. I score each
round as an individual fight. Regardless of outcome.

[Goodnight, Irene]

"...I score each
round as an individual fight. Regardless of outcome..." - Robinson

That's not bad, either. What the hell's going on around here? This place is abruptly going to the Bloodhounds

Broughton's got some work to do to bring the place down in a hurry again...

[raylawpc]

Ray

The thing is our appreciation for the fight game also changes.
One may know more about boxing as they get older. I score each
round as an individual fight. Regardless of outcome.

Yes, in fact, my methodology is to divide each round into three parts of about a minute each. I then score each of the three parts separately in my head, and look at the result. This method tends to keep me from being overly influenced by a last minute flurry, such as were the hallmarks of Mssrs. Leonard and Ali, and forces me to think of the round as a whole.

(Of course, scoring a fight is an art rather than a science, so this approach doesn't take into account a knockdown or the situation in which one fighter - in perhaps the last minute of the round - really dominates his opponent. But all things being equal, I like the approach outlined above.)

I'd like to take credit for the idea, but I got it from Arthur Mercante in an interview he gave from the late 60s or early 70s.

[allworld80]

Round 3 10-9 Leonard

Ray landed the harder, cleaner shots

29-28 thru 3

Round 4 10-9 Leonard

39-37 thru 4

Round 5 10-9 Hagler

Hagler finally got to work the last 45 seconds, and stole a close round

48-47 thru 5