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[computerrank]

im sure that a little while ago there was the option to look at a p4p list in the ratings link... wheres it gone?

... got lost with the new servers - John received the message ...

[m1kee50]

im sure that a little while ago there was the option to look at a p4p list in the ratings link... wheres it gone?

... got lost with the new servers - John received the message ...

cool, i quite enjoyed looking at that.

[m1kee50]

I cant seem to see any of the ratings pages, if you werent already aware

[John]

I cant seem to see any of the ratings pages, if you werent already aware

fixed

[conan_the_cribber]

This would be the all time ratings with all annual ratings converted to the all time division assigned by the editors:

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rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Heavyweight         |Muhammad            |Ali                 | 2115
   2|Heavyweight         |Joe                 |Louis               | 1565
   3|Heavyweight         |Jack                |Johnson             | 1363
   4|Heavyweight         |Floyd               |Patterson           | 1276
   5|Heavyweight         |Harry               |Wills               | 1168
   6|Heavyweight         |Larry               |Holmes              | 1027
   7|Heavyweight         |Joe                 |Frazier             |  838
   8|Heavyweight         |Rocky               |Marciano            |  816
   9|Heavyweight         |Sonny               |Liston              |  781
  10|Heavyweight         |Lennox              |Lewis               |  749
  11|Heavyweight         |Sam                 |Langford            |  745
  12|Heavyweight         |Ezzard              |Charles             |  710
  13|Heavyweight         |Mike                |Tyson               |  695
  14|Heavyweight         |Max                 |Schmeling           |  666
  15|Heavyweight         |Jimmy               |Bivins              |  638
  16|Heavyweight         |George              |Foreman             |  608
  17|Heavyweight         |Jack                |Sharkey             |  604
  18|Heavyweight         |James J             |Jeffries            |  581
  19|Heavyweight         |Sam                 |McVea               |  527
  20|Heavyweight         |Ingemar             |Johansson           |  477
  21|Heavyweight         |Joe                 |Jeannette           |  438
  22|Heavyweight         |Ken                 |Norton              |  427
  23|Heavyweight         |Jack                |Dempsey             |  405
  24|Heavyweight         |Max                 |Baer                |  381
  25|Heavyweight         |Marvin              |Hart                |  361

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Cruiserweight       |Carlos              |De Leon             |  622
   2|Cruiserweight       |Orlin               |Norris              |  438
   3|Cruiserweight       |Johnny              |Nelson              |  382
   4|Cruiserweight       |Anaclet             |Wamba               |  288
   5|Cruiserweight       |Jean Marc           |Mormeck             |  238
   6|Cruiserweight       |O'Neil              |Bell                |  232
   7|Cruiserweight       |Ossie               |Ocasio              |  222
   8|Cruiserweight       |Vassiliy            |Jirov               |  218
   9|Cruiserweight       |Marcelo Fabian      |Dominguez           |  186
  10|Cruiserweight       |Carl                |Thompson            |  165
  11|Cruiserweight       |Adolpho             |Washington          |  164
  12|Cruiserweight       |Nate                |Miller              |  161
  13|Cruiserweight       |Piet                |Crous               |  129
  14|Cruiserweight       |John                |Odhiambho           |  125
  15|Cruiserweight       |Alexander           |Gurov               |  125
  16|Cruiserweight       |Jeff                |Lampkin             |  103
  17|Cruiserweight       |Norbert             |Ekassi              |  101
  18|Cruiserweight       |Angelo              |Rottoli             |   99
  19|Cruiserweight       |ST                  |Gordon              |   88
  20|Cruiserweight       |Sebastiaan          |Rothmann            |   85
  21|Cruiserweight       |Lou                 |Del Valle           |   85
  22|Cruiserweight       |Glenn               |McCrory             |   79
  23|Cruiserweight       |Ralf                |Rocchigiani         |   77
  24|Cruiserweight       |Akim                |Tafer               |   77
  25|Cruiserweight       |Vincenzo            |Cantatore           |   76

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Light Heavyweight   |Archie              |Moore               | 2443
   2|Light Heavyweight   |Philadelphia Jack   |O'Brien             | 2191
   3|Light Heavyweight   |Tommy               |Gibbons             | 1835
   4|Light Heavyweight   |Gene                |Tunney              | 1500
   5|Light Heavyweight   |Melio               |Bettina             | 1178
   6|Light Heavyweight   |Tommy               |Loughran            | 1145
   7|Light Heavyweight   |Jack                |Root                | 1134
   8|Light Heavyweight   |Bob                 |Foster              | 1111
   9|Light Heavyweight   |Bob                 |Fitzsimmons         | 1073
  10|Light Heavyweight   |Michael             |Spinks              | 1044
  11|Light Heavyweight   |Harold              |Johnson             | 1034
  12|Light Heavyweight   |Billy               |Conn                |  907
  13|Light Heavyweight   |Billy               |Miske               |  905
  14|Light Heavyweight   |Battling            |Levinsky            |  899
  15|Light Heavyweight   |Virgil              |Hill                |  883
  16|Light Heavyweight   |Joey                |Maxim               |  869
  17|Light Heavyweight   |Tami                |Mauriello           |  831
  18|Light Heavyweight   |Charles Kid         |McCoy               |  728
  19|Light Heavyweight   |Maxie               |Rosenbloom          |  726
  20|Light Heavyweight   |Dariusz             |Michalczewski       |  706
  21|Light Heavyweight   |John Henry          |Lewis               |  694
  22|Light Heavyweight   |Jose                |Torres              |  641
  23|Light Heavyweight   |Dwight Muhammad     |Qawi                |  633
  24|Light Heavyweight   |Georges             |Carpentier          |  622
  25|Light Heavyweight   |Young               |Stribling           |  579

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Super Middleweight  |Joe                 |Calzaghe            |  792
   2|Super Middleweight  |Steve               |Collins             |  399
   3|Super Middleweight  |Chris               |Eubank              |  364
   4|Super Middleweight  |Nigel               |Benn                |  354
   5|Super Middleweight  |Sven                |Ottke               |  278
   6|Super Middleweight  |Frankie             |Liles               |  206
   7|Super Middleweight  |Thulani             |Malinga             |  202
   8|Super Middleweight  |Robin               |Reid                |  162
   9|Super Middleweight  |Christophe          |Tiozzo              |  128
  10|Super Middleweight  |Markus              |Beyer               |  117
  11|Super Middleweight  |In-Chul             |Baek                |  114
  12|Super Middleweight  |Henry               |Wharton             |  112
  13|Super Middleweight  |Fulgencio           |Obelmejias          |  106
  14|Super Middleweight  |Victor              |Cordoba             |  101
  15|Super Middleweight  |Eric                |Lucas               |   94
  16|Super Middleweight  |Thomas              |Tate                |   92
  17|Super Middleweight  |Darrin              |Van Horn            |   89
  18|Super Middleweight  |Sam                 |Soliman             |   88
  19|Super Middleweight  |Charles             |Brewer              |   81
  20|Super Middleweight  |Richie              |Woodhall            |   78
  21|Super Middleweight  |Dana                |Rosenblatt          |   76
  22|Super Middleweight  |Guy                 |Waters              |   75
  23|Super Middleweight  |James               |Cook                |   71
  24|Super Middleweight  |Mario               |Veit                |   68
  25|Super Middleweight  |Frederic            |Seillier            |   63

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Middleweight        |Marvin              |Hagler              | 1589
   2|Middleweight        |Sugar Ray           |Robinson            | 1509
   3|Middleweight        |Harry               |Greb                | 1464
   4|Middleweight        |Carlos              |Monzon              | 1446
   5|Middleweight        |Tommy               |Ryan                |  965
   6|Middleweight        |Dick                |Tiger               |  863
   7|Middleweight        |Michael             |Nunn                |  678
   8|Middleweight        |Mike                |McCallum            |  677
   9|Middleweight        |Mike                |Gibbons             |  629
  10|Middleweight        |Stanley             |Ketchel             |  484
  11|Middleweight        |Mike                |O'Dowd              |  472
  12|Middleweight        |Rodrigo             |Valdez              |  472
  13|Middleweight        |Gene                |Fullmer             |  471
  14|Middleweight        |Joey                |Giardello           |  447
  15|Middleweight        |George              |Gardner             |  446
  16|Middleweight        |Sumbu               |Kalambay            |  384
  17|Middleweight        |Bobo                |Olson               |  378
  18|Middleweight        |Charley             |Burley              |  365
  19|Middleweight        |Fred                |Apostoli            |  362
  20|Middleweight        |Nino                |Benvenuti           |  361
  21|Middleweight        |Jack (Twin)         |Sullivan            |  347
  22|Middleweight        |Leo                 |Houck               |  313
  23|Middleweight        |Jimmy               |Clabby              |  303
  24|Middleweight        |Ceferino            |Garcia              |  303
  25|Middleweight        |Jack                |Dillon              |  299

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Light Middleweight  |Sandro              |Mazzinghi           | 1095
   2|Light Middleweight  |Terry               |Norris              |  790
   3|Light Middleweight  |Freddie             |Little              |  609
   4|Light Middleweight  |Wilfred             |Benitez             |  583
   5|Light Middleweight  |Maurice             |Hope                |  572
   6|Light Middleweight  |Ki Soo              |Kim                 |  449
   7|Light Middleweight  |Ayub                |Kalule              |  352
   8|Light Middleweight  |Bruno               |Visintin            |  344
   9|Light Middleweight  |Denny               |Moyer               |  313
  10|Light Middleweight  |Rocky               |Mattioli            |  275
  11|Light Middleweight  |Laurent             |Boudouani           |  266
  12|Light Middleweight  |Javier              |Castillejo          |  247
  13|Light Middleweight  |Louis               |Acaries             |  182
  14|Light Middleweight  |Carlos              |Santos              |  181
  15|Light Middleweight  |Fernando            |Vargas              |  179
  16|Light Middleweight  |Daniel              |Santos              |  173
  17|Light Middleweight  |John                |Mugabi              |  164
  18|Light Middleweight  |Loucif              |Hamani              |  159
  19|Light Middleweight  |Buster              |Drayton             |  143
  20|Light Middleweight  |Harry               |Simon               |  141
  21|Light Middleweight  |Carmelo             |Bossi               |  139
  22|Light Middleweight  |Domenico            |Tiberia             |  136
  23|Light Middleweight  |Eckhard             |Dagge               |  131
  24|Light Middleweight  |Matthew             |Hilton              |  126
  25|Light Middleweight  |Bo                  |Hogberg             |  125

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Welterweight        |Thomas              |Hearns              | 1696
   2|Welterweight        |Jose                |Napoles             | 1547
   3|Welterweight        |Oscar               |De La Hoya          | 1421
   4|Welterweight        |Emile               |Griffith            | 1364
   5|Welterweight        |Sugar Ray           |Leonard             | 1295
   6|Welterweight        |Luis Manuel         |Rodriguez           | 1045
   7|Welterweight        |Felix               |Trinidad            | 1028
   8|Welterweight        |Mickey              |Walker              |  917
   9|Welterweight        |Joe                 |Walcott             |  866
  10|Welterweight        |Pernell             |Whitaker            |  857
  11|Welterweight        |Jimmy               |Gardner             |  838
  12|Welterweight        |Jack                |Britton             |  812
  13|Welterweight        |Young               |Corbett III         |  772
  14|Welterweight        |Mike Twin           |Sullivan            |  693
  15|Welterweight        |Donald              |Curry               |  671
  16|Welterweight        |Ted 'Kid'           |Lewis               |  664
  17|Welterweight        |Jimmy               |McLarnin            |  657
  18|Welterweight        |Carmen              |Basilio             |  543
  19|Welterweight        |Curtis              |Cokes               |  505
  20|Welterweight        |Al                  |Neill               |  485
  21|Welterweight        |George              |Cole                |  473
  22|Welterweight        |George              |Green               |  467
  23|Welterweight        |Tommy               |West                |  458
  24|Welterweight        |Henry               |Armstrong           |  433
  25|Welterweight        |Lloyd               |Honeyghan           |  430

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Light Welterweight  |Julio Cesar         |Chavez              | 1197
   2|Light Welterweight  |Nicolino            |Locche              | 1174
   3|Light Welterweight  |Bruno               |Arcari              |  993
   4|Light Welterweight  |Antonio             |Cervantes           |  865
   5|Light Welterweight  |Kostya              |Tszyu               |  794
   6|Light Welterweight  |Eddie               |Perkins             |  730
   7|Light Welterweight  |Aaron               |Pryor               |  608
   8|Light Welterweight  |Carlos              |Hernandez           |  497
   9|Light Welterweight  |Barney              |Ross                |  478
  10|Light Welterweight  |Juan Martin         |Coggi               |  368
  11|Light Welterweight  |Vinny               |Pazienza            |  306
  12|Light Welterweight  |Duilio              |Loi                 |  246
  13|Light Welterweight  |Tippy               |Larkin              |  241
  14|Light Welterweight  |Saoul               |Mamby               |  229
  15|Light Welterweight  |Frankie             |Randall             |  229
  16|Light Welterweight  |Meldrick            |Taylor              |  222
  17|Light Welterweight  |Hector              |Thompson            |  210
  18|Light Welterweight  |Sharmba             |Mitchell            |  199
  19|Light Welterweight  |Saensak             |Muangsurin          |  196
  20|Light Welterweight  |Vince               |Phillips            |  189
  21|Light Welterweight  |Roger               |Mayweather          |  188
  22|Light Welterweight  |Bunny               |Grant               |  186
  23|Light Welterweight  |Joao                |Henrique            |  173
  24|Light Welterweight  |Ubaldo Nestor       |Sacco               |  156
  25|Light Welterweight  |Jo                  |Kimpuani            |  155

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Lightweight         |Roberto             |Duran               | 1907
   2|Lightweight         |Benny               |Leonard             | 1484
   3|Lightweight         |Carlos              |Ortiz               | 1418
   4|Lightweight         |Joe                 |Gans                | 1102
   5|Lightweight         |Lew                 |Tendler             |  735
   6|Lightweight         |Ike                 |Williams            |  693
   7|Lightweight         |Tony                |Canzoneri           |  655
   8|Lightweight         |Beau                |Jack                |  617
   9|Lightweight         |Lou                 |Ambers              |  549
  10|Lightweight         |Esteban             |De Jesus            |  531
  11|Lightweight         |Sammy               |Angott              |  501
  12|Lightweight         |Bob                 |Montgomery          |  496
  13|Lightweight         |Battling            |Nelson              |  472
  14|Lightweight         |Ismael              |Laguna              |  443
  15|Lightweight         |Jimmy               |Britt               |  422
  16|Lightweight         |Miguel Angel        |Gonzalez            |  421
  17|Lightweight         |Ken                 |Buchanan            |  397
  18|Lightweight         |Packey              |McFarland           |  393
  19|Lightweight         |Freddie             |Dawson              |  392
  20|Lightweight         |Joe                 |Brown               |  352
  21|Lightweight         |Lockport Jimmy      |Duffy               |  336
  22|Lightweight         |Kenny               |Lane                |  334
  23|Lightweight         |Jack                |Blackburn           |  326
  24|Lightweight         |Freddie             |Welsh               |  325
  25|Lightweight         |Billy               |Petrolle            |  323

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Super Featherweight |Floyd               |Mayweather Jr       | 1444
   2|Super Featherweight |Alexis              |Arguello            | 1140
   3|Super Featherweight |Azumah              |Nelson              |  860
   4|Super Featherweight |Flash               |Elorde              |  667
   5|Super Featherweight |Samuel              |Serrano             |  649
   6|Super Featherweight |Johnny              |Dundee              |  425
   7|Super Featherweight |Rene                |Barrientos          |  416
   8|Super Featherweight |Arturo              |Gatti               |  382
   9|Super Featherweight |Hiroshi             |Kobayashi           |  377
  10|Super Featherweight |Alfredo             |Escalera            |  364
  11|Super Featherweight |John John           |Molina              |  326
  12|Super Featherweight |Brian               |Mitchell            |  322
  13|Super Featherweight |Nkosana             |Mgxaji              |  319
  14|Super Featherweight |Kuniaki             |Shibata             |  308
  15|Super Featherweight |Rocky               |Lockridge           |  307
  16|Super Featherweight |Acelino             |Freitas             |  301
  17|Super Featherweight |Diego               |Corrales            |  298
  18|Super Featherweight |Love                |Allotey             |  297
  19|Super Featherweight |Antonio             |Amaya               |  295
  20|Super Featherweight |Barry               |Michael             |  282
  21|Super Featherweight |Tony                |Lopez               |  279
  22|Super Featherweight |Genaro              |Hernandez           |  272
  23|Super Featherweight |Jesse James         |Leija               |  243
  24|Super Featherweight |Ben                 |Villaflor           |  230
  25|Super Featherweight |Kang Il             |Suh                 |  210

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Featherweight       |Willie              |Pep                 | 1460
   2|Featherweight       |Vicente             |Saldivar            | 1002
   3|Featherweight       |Sugar               |Ramos               |  877
   4|Featherweight       |Davey               |Moore               |  863
   5|Featherweight       |Johnny              |Kilbane             |  851
   6|Featherweight       |Terry               |McGovern            |  823
   7|Featherweight       |Abe                 |Attell              |  814
   8|Featherweight       |Naseem              |Hamed               |  802
   9|Featherweight       |Owen                |Moran               |  700
  10|Featherweight       |Young               |Corbett II          |  687
  11|Featherweight       |Jim                 |Driscoll            |  653
  12|Featherweight       |Louis               |Kaplan              |  615
  13|Featherweight       |Leo                 |Rodak               |  604
  14|Featherweight       |Sandy               |Saddler             |  582
  15|Featherweight       |Chalky              |Wright              |  565
  16|Featherweight       |Danny               |Lopez               |  548
  17|Featherweight       |Salvador            |Sanchez             |  504
  18|Featherweight       |Bobby               |Ruffin              |  500
  19|Featherweight       |Eusebio             |Pedroza             |  421
  20|Featherweight       |Jeff                |Fenech              |  373
  21|Featherweight       |Howard              |Winstone            |  364
  22|Featherweight       |Jose                |Legra               |  346
  23|Featherweight       |Petey               |Sarron              |  344
  24|Featherweight       |Frankie             |Fleming             |  337
  25|Featherweight       |Tom                 |Smith               |  334

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Super Bantamweight  |Wilfredo            |Gomez               | 1388
   2|Super Bantamweight  |Erik                |Morales             | 1108
   3|Super Bantamweight  |Israel              |Vazquez             |  484
   4|Super Bantamweight  |Wilfredo            |Vazquez             |  432
   5|Super Bantamweight  |Daniel              |Zaragoza            |  343
   6|Super Bantamweight  |Ricardo             |Cardona             |  220
   7|Super Bantamweight  |Kennedy             |McKinney            |  216
   8|Super Bantamweight  |Sergio Victor       |Palma               |  190
   9|Super Bantamweight  |Tracy               |Harris Patterson    |  174
  10|Super Bantamweight  |Junior              |Jones               |  165
  11|Super Bantamweight  |Juan                |Meza                |  164
  12|Super Bantamweight  |Antonio             |Cermeno             |  157
  13|Super Bantamweight  |Victor              |Callejas            |  156
  14|Super Bantamweight  |Louie               |Espinoza            |  155
  15|Super Bantamweight  |Jaime               |Garza               |  140
  16|Super Bantamweight  |Leonardo            |Cruz                |  140
  17|Super Bantamweight  |Jesus               |Salud               |  137
  18|Super Bantamweight  |Seung Hoon          |Lee                 |  135
  19|Super Bantamweight  |Carlos              |Mendoza             |  135
  20|Super Bantamweight  |Luis Enrique        |Mendoza             |  129
  21|Super Bantamweight  |Mike                |Ayala               |  123
  22|Super Bantamweight  |Wayne               |McCullough          |  119
  23|Super Bantamweight  |Loris               |Stecca              |  118
  24|Super Bantamweight  |Agapito             |Sanchez             |  111
  25|Super Bantamweight  |Samart              |Payakaroon          |  103

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Bantamweight        |Eder                |Jofre               |  893
   2|Bantamweight        |Manuel              |Ortiz               |  820
   3|Bantamweight        |Jimmy               |Carruthers          |  654
   4|Bantamweight        |Rush                |Dalma               |  647
   5|Bantamweight        |Willie              |Toweel              |  586
   6|Bantamweight        |Carlos              |Zarate              |  538
   7|Bantamweight        |Ruben               |Olivares            |  505
   8|Bantamweight        |Fighting            |Harada              |  496
   9|Bantamweight        |Frankie             |Burns               |  482
  10|Bantamweight        |Harry               |Forbes              |  471
  11|Bantamweight        |Joe                 |Bowker              |  467
  12|Bantamweight        |Panama Al           |Brown               |  432
  13|Bantamweight        |Jimmy               |Walsh               |  415
  14|Bantamweight        |Orlando             |Canizales           |  397
  15|Bantamweight        |Rodolfo             |Martinez            |  395
  16|Bantamweight        |Kid                 |Williams            |  386
  17|Bantamweight        |Chucho              |Castillo            |  383
  18|Bantamweight        |Mario               |D'Agata             |  366
  19|Bantamweight        |Paul                |Ferreri             |  363
  20|Bantamweight        |Bushy               |Graham              |  363
  21|Bantamweight        |KO                  |Morgan              |  356
  22|Bantamweight        |Arnold              |Taylor              |  356
  23|Bantamweight        |Dick                |Corbett             |  356
  24|Bantamweight        |Jose                |Medel               |  353
  25|Bantamweight        |Rodolfo             |Casanova            |  343

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Super Flyweight     |Gilberto            |Roman               |  555
   2|Super Flyweight     |Jiro                |Watanabe            |  492
   3|Super Flyweight     |Khaosai             |Galaxy              |  450
   4|Super Flyweight     |Johnny              |Tapia               |  435
   5|Super Flyweight     |Sung-Kil            |Moon                |  401
   6|Super Flyweight     |Masamori            |Tokuyama            |  273
   7|Super Flyweight     |Samson              |Dutch Boy Gym       |  226
   8|Super Flyweight     |Gustavo             |Ballas              |  220
   9|Super Flyweight     |Sugar Baby          |Rojas               |  187
  10|Super Flyweight     |Jesus               |Rojas               |  180
  11|Super Flyweight     |Hiroshi             |Kawashima           |  149
  12|Super Flyweight     |Rafael              |Orono               |  141
  13|Super Flyweight     |Thanomsak           |Sithbaobay          |  133
  14|Super Flyweight     |Yokthai             |Sithoar             |  121
  15|Super Flyweight     |Jose                |Ruiz                |  114
  16|Super Flyweight     |Danny               |Romero              |   98
  17|Super Flyweight     |In-Joo              |Cho                 |   92
  18|Super Flyweight     |Payao               |Poontarat           |   92
  19|Super Flyweight     |Satoshi             |Iida                |   83
  20|Super Flyweight     |Celes               |Kobayashi           |   83
  21|Super Flyweight     |Alimi               |Goitia              |   82
  22|Super Flyweight     |Ellyas              |Pical               |   80
  23|Super Flyweight     |Katsuya             |Onizuka             |   72
  24|Super Flyweight     |Alberto             |Castro              |   70
  25|Super Flyweight     |Katsushige          |Kawashima           |   70

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Flyweight           |Peter               |Kane                | 1330
   2|Flyweight           |Jimmy               |Wilde               | 1255
   3|Flyweight           |Jackie              |Paterson            | 1223
   4|Flyweight           |Fidel               |LaBarba             | 1122
   5|Flyweight           |Little              |Pancho              |  955
   6|Flyweight           |Little              |Dado                |  937
   7|Flyweight           |Pascual             |Perez               |  860
   8|Flyweight           |Midget              |Wolgast             |  787
   9|Flyweight           |Venice              |Borkhorsor          |  780
  10|Flyweight           |Efren               |Torres              |  726
  11|Flyweight           |Salvatore           |Burruni             |  721
  12|Flyweight           |Chartchai           |Chionoi             |  701
  13|Flyweight           |Horacio             |Accavallo           |  682
  14|Flyweight           |Newsboy             |Brown               |  633
  15|Flyweight           |Frankie             |Genaro              |  610
  16|Flyweight           |Benny               |Lynch               |  606
  17|Flyweight           |Rinty               |Monaghan            |  599
  18|Flyweight           |Pone                |Kingpetch           |  583
  19|Flyweight           |Ginger              |Foran               |  555
  20|Flyweight           |Pancho              |Villa               |  550
  21|Flyweight           |Masao               |Ohba                |  536
  22|Flyweight           |Chico               |Morales             |  494
  23|Flyweight           |Dai                 |Dower               |  482
  24|Flyweight           |Miguel              |Canto               |  482
  25|Flyweight           |Hiroyuki            |Ebihara             |  480

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Light Flyweight     |Jung-Koo            |Chang               |  679
   2|Light Flyweight     |Humberto            |Gonzalez            |  569
   3|Light Flyweight     |Luis                |Estaba              |  467
   4|Light Flyweight     |Hilario             |Zapata              |  427
   5|Light Flyweight     |Yoko                |Gushiken            |  380
   6|Light Flyweight     |Michael             |Carbajal            |  372
   7|Light Flyweight     |Myung-Woo           |Yuh                 |  354
   8|Light Flyweight     |Pichit              |Chor Siriwat        |  288
   9|Light Flyweight     |Leo                 |Gamez               |  287
  10|Light Flyweight     |Sung Jun            |Kim                 |  253
  11|Light Flyweight     |Saman               |Sorjaturong         |  227
  12|Light Flyweight     |Jacob               |Matlala             |  224
  13|Light Flyweight     |Joey                |Olivo               |  218
  14|Light Flyweight     |German              |Torres              |  198
  15|Light Flyweight     |Yo Sam              |Choi                |  186
  16|Light Flyweight     |Rolando             |Pascua              |  159
  17|Light Flyweight     |Amado               |Ursua               |  148
  18|Light Flyweight     |Katsuo              |Tokashiki           |  144
  19|Light Flyweight     |Lupe                |Madera              |  140
  20|Light Flyweight     |Victor              |Burgos              |  128
  21|Light Flyweight     |Beibis              |Mendoza             |  121
  22|Light Flyweight     |Jose                |De Jesus            |  114
  23|Light Flyweight     |Francisco           |Quiroz              |  113
  24|Light Flyweight     |Juan                |Alvarez             |   98
  25|Light Flyweight     |Hiroki              |Ioka                |   93

rank|division            |first_name          |last_name           |   rd
----|--------------------|--------------------|--------------------|-----
   1|Minimumweight       |Ricardo             |Lopez               | 1161
   2|Minimumweight       |Rosendo             |Alvarez             |  561
   3|Minimumweight       |Chana               |Porpaoin            |  331
   4|Minimumweight       |Fahlan              |Sakkreerin          |  211
   5|Minimumweight       |Eagle Den           |Junlaphan           |  140
   6|Minimumweight       |Yutaka              |Niida               |  129
   7|Minimumweight       |Hideyuki            |Ohashi              |  127
   8|Minimumweight       |Zolani              |Petelo              |  120
   9|Minimumweight       |Songkram            |Porpaoin            |  108
  10|Minimumweight       |Manny               |Melchor             |  107
  11|Minimumweight       |Eric                |Chavez              |  102
  12|Minimumweight       |Joma                |Gamboa              |  102
  13|Minimumweight       |Keitaro             |Hoshino             |   94
  14|Minimumweight       |Rocky               |Lin                 |   92
  15|Minimumweight       |Ronnie              |Magramo             |   83
  16|Minimumweight       |Hi-Yong             |Choi                |   83
  17|Minimumweight       |Andy                |Tabanas             |   81
  18|Minimumweight       |Hector Luis         |Patri               |   69
  19|Minimumweight       |Fahsang             |Pongsawang          |   64
  20|Minimumweight       |Noel                |Tunacao             |   60
  21|Minimumweight       |Jin Ho              |Kim                 |   59
  22|Minimumweight       |Ernesto             |Rubillar            |   57
  23|Minimumweight       |Satoshi             |Kogumazaka          |   55
  24|Minimumweight       |Yuichi              |Hosono              |   49
  25|Minimumweight       |Ala                 |Villamor            |   46

Hi

I don’t usually get involved with the all-time and pfp stuff, but I read the last few posts from Monty and they got me thinking a bit. I’m not sure what the status quo is, or where I could read about the formulas, so excuse my ignorance.

Principally I think you have to differentiate between all-time ratings and pfp ratings. Obviously these ratings are trying to express different things.

First all the all-time weight division stuff. Here I’d be looking at a fighter’s performance in a weight division. The weight division assigned to the fight should not play any role in the discussion. That means of course, that a fighter can be ranked in multiple divisions. There is nothing wrong with saying that Ray Robinson was the greatest welter who ever lived and he was a top 10 middleweight as well. How the rest of the equation is done is up to you guys. Obviously for all-time ratings it should respect the duration of a career. It should also respect the peak or peaks of the fighter’s career.

For the eternally difficult all-time pfp ratings. You have to decide what you want to use as a basis. Critera such as; length of career, ability to dominate a division, ability to dominate multiple divisions (however, you have to factor in the heavyweights, who can’t move divisions) spring to mind. Monty’s points about Hopkins seem quite valid. Why should Hopkins’s all-time ranking be penalized for fighting Adamek at 200lbs. Personally I’d be looking at the number of divisions that a boxer did well in (criteria open), and not what some editor assigned to a fighter for some other purpose (namely forcing an active fighter to be ranked in only division). Back up that with the quality of the peak of a fighter’s career (??? Max pts) and you got a start.

I noticed in the rejigged ratings above, that Roy Jones doesn’t get a mention anywhere and Bernhard Hopkins doesn’t get a mention at middleweight. I’m not the historical expert, but that seems wrong. Henry Armstrong at #24 in welterweight is obviously a crime.

conan

[JCS]

I think active fighters were excluded from those lists Conan.

[conan_the_cribber]

I think active fighters were excluded from those lists Conan.

Thanks for the explanation. AS I said, I'm unsure of the algorithms. That would explain hopkin and Jones, but not armstrong.

[JCS]

I think active fighters were excluded from those lists Conan.

Thanks for the explanation. AS I said, I'm unsure of the algorithms. That would explain hopkin and Jones, but not armstrong.

Using "current" points in all-time rankings makes it tough, as the value of a point can change throughout time.

[Asterix]

The interesting bit is that...with 1908 points...Juan Manuel Marquez is the third best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet (Floyd would be 7th, wedged in between the Klitschko brothers).

...But in choosing to go up 2 more weight-classes and fight Floyd...Juan Manuel Marquez loses 299 points and becomes...the fifth best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet. That's right...he immediately drops two spots on the pound-for-pound list for going up 2 weight-classes to take on the former p4p king.

It doesn't make a lick of sense. Though I'll admit very little can be done about the "Current P4P" system in this regard...it would involve having editors choose a fighter's "true" class...DURING their careers...which is a bit much to ask I think...

At 147 lbs he's worse pound for pound than he is at 135 lbs. Sorry, but it makes complete sense to me. Is Mayweather still the P4P king if he moves up to light heavyweight? No chance, unless, of course, he starts beating the top guys there.

[conan_the_cribber]

Hey Conan, long time no ratings quibbling eh? haha...I'll reply in-line so I don't miss anything...

Hi

I don’t usually get involved with the all-time and pfp stuff, but I read the last few posts from Monty and they got me thinking a bit.

Yay! That's my job

I’m not sure what the status quo is, or where I could read about the formulas, so excuse my ignorance.

There's a brief explanation of the all-time ratings on the boxrec wiki dictionary page thingy...that's all I really needed to get an idea of what they do and their intention.

Principally I think you have to differentiate between all-time ratings and pfp ratings. Obviously these ratings are trying to express different things.

Yup...I think differently than you though. For example, I think a fighter's "current" division points and his "current" P4P points should be different scores...unless he's been in one division for his career (a la Hagler)

First all the all-time weight division stuff. Here I’d be looking at a fighter’s performance in a weight division. The weight division assigned to the fight should not play any role in the discussion. That means of course, that a fighter can be ranked in multiple divisions. There is nothing wrong with saying that Ray Robinson was the greatest welter who ever lived and he was a top 10 middleweight as well. How the rest of the equation is done is up to you guys. Obviously for all-time ratings it should respect the duration of a career. It should also respect the peak or peaks of the fighter’s career.

Then how would you feel about Sugar Ray being listed around #20 all-time welterweight and #20 all-time middleweight? No matter what kind of magical formula you create...he's going to lose points out of the deal...a loooooooot of points, and they'll be split up between the divisions. That's why the multiple division ranking idea needs to be thrown into the ol' bucket o' lost causes.

For the eternally difficult all-time pfp ratings. You have to decide what you want to use as a basis. Critera such as; length of career, ability to dominate a division, ability to dominate multiple divisions (however, you have to factor in the heavyweights, who can’t move divisions) spring to mind. Monty’s points about Hopkins seem quite valid. Why should Hopkins’s all-time ranking be penalized for fighting Adamek at 200lbs. Personally I’d be looking at the number of divisions that a boxer did well in (criteria open), and not what some editor assigned to a fighter for some other purpose (namely forcing an active fighter to be ranked in only division). Back up that with the quality of the peak of a fighter’s career (??? Max pts) and you got a start.

I think you're wrong about a boxer's assigned division being important. I think it should be HUGELY important. For example...Pacquiao moves up to heavyweight...knocks out both Klitschkos. According to the current system.....that's incredible. But according to Pacquiao's height, weight, body, reach, history...it's otherwordly. If Pacquiao then retired, was rated at say...130 lbs. and his all-time stats were "down-scaled" as I'm calling for...then his points would be off the damn charts...at least certainly hitting maximum for that year or years (which happens a little above 2000 ratings points last time I calculated it). The whole idea of pound for pound is that you're SUPPOSED to adjust a person's accomplishments based on his size. So figuring out where he naturally fit in is paramount here...

Another example. Let's say the champion of every weight class from straw to heavy are of equal value. I'm a new boxer. Little guy. Smallest of the small. 105 pounds. It takes me 13 fights but I get a fight at the champ. I knock out the strawweight champ. I move up to 108, KO him. I move up to 112, KO him. And on and on. I retire 30-0, with championships in all seventeen weight-classes. On Boxrec...I would have decent numbers. But in the boxing world I would be known as the greatest of all-time...hands down. Without question. Don't need to even think for one second about it.

The only way for the BoxRec computer to come to the same conclusion is if at the end of my illustrious career I am assigned as a straw-weight under P4P rankings that give benefits for fighting above your natural weight-class.

Henry Armstrong at #24 in welterweight is obviously a crime.

Well he's #15 under the current system. I'm sure you'd find that a crime too. But he fought over 2/3rds of his career UNDER welterweight...so it makes sense...perfect sense...that he wouldn't be regarded as highly at welter. He fought almost half of his career at featherweight for christ sake...not something that should benefit you...if at all...in "welterweight" ratings.

His is an interesting case though...where to stick him...seems he accomplished not all that much at featherweight...was at lightweight for a spell...and then accomplished a great deal at welter...but putting him there basically disregards points from half his career. In the P4P system tweaks I've proposed he would do a bit better...as all of his featherweight, lightweight and welterweight points would count in full (the 126 and 135 fights wouldn't be penalized).....although other boxers would still gain points for fights fought above their weight class (e.g. Hearns, Duran, the Light Heavyweight champs that beat Heavies, etc.)

In any event...if boxers were ranked in multiple weight-classes, I think Armstrong would be lucky to be ranked in the top 50 in anything...

Hi Monty,

Thanks for reminding me, why I should stay out of pfp and all-time ranking arguments. It’s really a no win situation.

I guess first all, you really have to define what you want the rankings to say. In the case of Ray Leonard, you want to make a statement saying, “look what he achieved at welter and then consider what he achieved at higher weights. Imagine if he continued at welter, he would’ve dominated for years and years, therefore, he was one of the best welters of all time”. That would be the same as your Pacman vs Klitschko argument. By defeating leading heavyweights, it proved that he was capable of destroying everyone at his own weight. Henry Armstrong is indeed difficult. What statement do you want to make for him in the all-time rankings. It’s more difficult to say “that because he did best at welter, he would’ve been amazing at lightweight” because he already had ample chance to be amazing there, but didn’t do enough in the division to be considered an all-time great. I guess the point where you change divisions should be an influencing factor. If you left a division at your peak for a new division and then continued on your merry way, it shows how good you could’ve been at the lower weight. If you started to peak after leaving a division, it may just indicate that the lower weight wasn’t good for you (unusual as it seems).

Again, I think a fighter should be ranked at multiple weights. Not as I wrote, by just evaluating the fights at that weight, but more like above, where Leonard’s accomplishments at middleweight are included in his evaluation as a welter. I still think it’s a valid statement to say, Leonard was a top 5 welterweight, but only a top 20 middleweight. Both statements are objectively derivable from the fighter’s record without needing to have an editor nominate an optimal body weight.

Anyhow, I’ll think I’ll bow out. I don’t really care too passionately about either of these ratings.

conan

[Asterix]

Pound is a weight measurement. Pound for Pound means that if you made everyone else the same weight as this boxer, how would they do? If Pacquiao is 147 lbs, then Pound for Pound he's worse than a 140 lbs version of himself. He's a stronger fighter at 140 lbs, where's he considered the best in the division. At 147 lbs, he is not considered the best in the division.

Quite straight forward, imo.

[giacomino]

Have a question on the light flyweight rankings that I haven't figured out even after reading how the point systems are done.
Ranked #13 is Ryo Miyazaki who is 9-0. He has beaten only one fighter with more than 10 wins (a 12-6 fighter) and has beaten no one who has ever been even a Japanese champion, let alone a regional or word champion. None of his opponents were highly ranked. Essentially, he's fought the typical fair for a young fighter in his first year or two in the sport.
He is somehow ranked two places ahead of Juan Carlos Reveco, who is 21-1, who won the WBA title by KO at home against an undefeated opponent two years ago, lost it on a close decision away in France against a highly rated opponent, then recently won the interim WBA title away in Mexico against another decent opponent.
Miyazaki is rated six places ahead of Cesar Canchilla, who is 28-2, split two fights in the past year with #4 ranked Giovanni Segura, and most recently Ko'd a 14-3 opponent who had a better record than anyone Miyazaki has faced.
I think I understand how the points systems work, but in this case, and in a few more in the light flyweight rankings, it makes no sense to me. This is one of several puzzling rankings in the lower weight classes

[JCS]

Have a question on the light flyweight rankings that I haven't figured out even after reading how the point systems are done.
Ranked #13 is Ryo Miyazaki who is 9-0. He has beaten only one fighter with more than 10 wins (a 12-6 fighter) and has beaten no one who has ever been even a Japanese champion, let alone a regional or word champion. None of his opponents were highly ranked. Essentially, he's fought the typical fair for a young fighter in his first year or two in the sport.
He is somehow ranked two places ahead of Juan Carlos Reveco, who is 21-1, who won the WBA title by KO at home against an undefeated opponent two years ago, lost it on a close decision away in France against a highly rated opponent, then recently won the interim WBA title away in Mexico against another decent opponent.
Miyazaki is rated six places ahead of Cesar Canchilla, who is 28-2, split two fights in the past year with #4 ranked Giovanni Segura, and most recently Ko'd a 14-3 opponent who had a better record than anyone Miyazaki has faced.
I think I understand how the points systems work, but in this case, and in a few more in the light flyweight rankings, it makes no sense to me. This is one of several puzzling rankings in the lower weight classes

Places like Japan have built up their own talent pools and for the most part, stay independent by not fighting the rest of the world's talent. They are probably good fighters, but no one has ever heard of them.

Its almost like countries such as Japan and South Africa have their own point totals.

[giacomino]

Have a question on the light flyweight rankings that I haven't figured out even after reading how the point systems are done.
Ranked #13 is Ryo Miyazaki who is 9-0. He has beaten only one fighter with more than 10 wins (a 12-6 fighter) and has beaten no one who has ever been even a Japanese champion, let alone a regional or word champion. None of his opponents were highly ranked. Essentially, he's fought the typical fair for a young fighter in his first year or two in the sport.
He is somehow ranked two places ahead of Juan Carlos Reveco, who is 21-1, who won the WBA title by KO at home against an undefeated opponent two years ago, lost it on a close decision away in France against a highly rated opponent, then recently won the interim WBA title away in Mexico against another decent opponent.
Miyazaki is rated six places ahead of Cesar Canchilla, who is 28-2, split two fights in the past year with #4 ranked Giovanni Segura, and most recently Ko'd a 14-3 opponent who had a better record than anyone Miyazaki has faced.
I think I understand how the points systems work, but in this case, and in a few more in the light flyweight rankings, it makes no sense to me. This is one of several puzzling rankings in the lower weight classes

Places like Japan have built up their own talent pools and for the most part, stay independent by not fighting the rest of the world's talent. They are probably good fighters, but no one has ever heard of them.

Its almost like countries such as Japan and South Africa have their own point totals.

I think you've got to be right because the point totals for some Japanese fighters who fight only at the domestic level are amazingly high in the lower weight classifications

[JCS]

Places like Japan have built up their own talent pools and for the most part, stay independent by not fighting the rest of the world's talent. They are probably good fighters, but no one has ever heard of them.

Its almost like countries such as Japan and South Africa have their own point totals.

I think you've got to be right because the point totals for some Japanese fighters who fight only at the domestic level are amazingly high in the lower weight classifications

Unfortunately, there's no good way to handle this.

[Asterix]

The long-reigning light heavyweight champion moves up to heavyweight and fights the heavyweight champion. They fight twice, each winning one a piece in two close bouts.

Which fighter is better pound for pound?

Correct Answer: The light heavyweight champion.

How anyone can disagree with that is beyond my comprehension. But somehow I'm sure you do. So I guess we'll agree to disagree on this 1+1=2 debate

Of course, I agree with that.

[John]

The long-reigning light heavyweight champion moves up to heavyweight and fights the heavyweight champion. They fight twice, each winning one a piece in two close bouts.

Which fighter is better pound for pound?

Correct Answer: The light heavyweight champion.

How anyone can disagree with that is beyond my comprehension. But somehow I'm sure you do. So I guess we'll agree to disagree on this 1+1=2 debate

Of course, I agree with that.

So the light heavyweight champion won the first bout, lost the second but is rated higher ?

[Asterix]

The long-reigning light heavyweight champion moves up to heavyweight and fights the heavyweight champion. They fight twice, each winning one a piece in two close bouts.

Which fighter is better pound for pound?

Correct Answer: The light heavyweight champion.

How anyone can disagree with that is beyond my comprehension. But somehow I'm sure you do. So I guess we'll agree to disagree on this 1+1=2 debate

Of course, I agree with that.

So the light heavyweight champion won the first bout, lost the second but is rated higher ?

Nah, the light heavy won the second bout. ;;-)

[pankajnagarkoti56]

Its all about the competition. Its not the point system's fault that there are less history and competitiveness in that division, its just the way that boxing works.

[conan_the_cribber]

Hi Boxingranks,

Getting back to a previous point of mine, the algorithm for the number of stars that female matchups needs a work over. On Saturday, we have

Susi Kentikian vs Julia Sahin, which is a five star bout in the female boxing world. Undefeated and #1 ranked flyweight champ vs the undefeated (previous) jnr flyweight champ. Both fights have 20 wins on their record.

Ina Menzer vs Esther Schouten is a four bout in the female boxing world. Nr 1 ranked Menzer in a unification bout against Schouten.

Yet both of these bouts rank an unbelievably shitty 2 stars. Compare that to three star bouts on the men’s card….

Denis Boystov vs “I fornicating drew with Zack Page” Jason Gaven
Manuel Charr vs “37yo washed up” Sherman Williams and
Phil Lo Greco vs “hopelessly mismatched #153 in the word” Albert Stiffdick.

Honestly. It’s almost a crime to place the names Gaven/Williams and Stiffdick in any three star match anywhere! Especially when the two star bouts on the card are excellent women’s bouts.

To put in perspective. On the same night Frederick Tripp is fighting Lazlo Komjathi in France. I’ve never heard of either fighter, probably because they have a combined 43 losses between them. Yet this is also rated 2 stars! I guess that should mean, it as significant a fight as the Kentikian vs Sahin fight. Right?

I know it’s a real minor code change to put a better number of stars for a women’s bout. How about implementing it.

Cheers

Conan

[jujigatame]

I'd like to point out that Paipharob Por Nobnom is now the #5 flyweight despite being 1-0. I know the guy he KOed had just KOed Vorapin, but it's still a bit wacky. That's gotta be the highest a 1-0 fighter has ever been ranked before.

[JCS]

I'd like to point out that Paipharob Por Nobnom is now the #5 flyweight despite being 1-0. I know the guy he KOed had just KOed Vorapin, but it's still a bit wacky. That's gotta be the highest a 1-0 fighter has ever been ranked before.

Question there is probably.. why was Vorapin so high?

[Asterix]

I'd like to point out that Paipharob Por Nobnom is now the #5 flyweight despite being 1-0. I know the guy he KOed had just KOed Vorapin, but it's still a bit wacky. That's gotta be the highest a 1-0 fighter has ever been ranked before.

That's wicked.

[computerrank]

Hi Boxingranks,

Getting back to a previous point of mine, the algorithm for the number of stars that female matchups needs a work over. On Saturday, we have

Susi Kentikian vs Julia Sahin, which is a five star bout in the female boxing world. Undefeated and #1 ranked flyweight champ vs the undefeated (previous) jnr flyweight champ. Both fights have 20 wins on their record.

Ina Menzer vs Esther Schouten is a four bout in the female boxing world. Nr 1 ranked Menzer in a unification bout against Schouten.

Yet both of these bouts rank an unbelievably shitty 2 stars. Compare that to three star bouts on the men’s card….

....

I know it’s a real minor code change to put a better number of stars for a women’s bout. How about implementing it.

Cheers

Conan

Conan,

Kentikian vs. Sahin was a 3 stars bout.

3 stars is the maximum rating a bout can get at the current low competition level in women boxing - and it represents it, as the intention behind is.

Best regards
Martin

[conan_the_cribber]

No it wasn't. I wish I had done a screen grab. But in the schedule listings, it was clearly 2 star, hence my longish mail.