stujones wrote:However, my mythical Hatton vs Collazo scenario (which also has happened in reality in the past) was a tactical move by Hatton and ONLY known by team Hatton to come in light -not part of any contract... if he wanted to fight at 147 - team Collazo would have allowed that also.
He did come in at 147lbs.
stujones wrote:I think being against that... is being against any fighter who isn't BANG on the weight. Cotto didn't make full use of the 147lbs in his last fight, should that have been for the title? He could have, but so could Hatton in my mythical example. Winky Wright came in light to challenge McKart way back when - should that have been for the title?
Listen, mate. If it's contracted at a proper weight, and a fighter comes in light, then that's his decisionn. I don't mind that being for a title. You need to differentiate between choosing to come in light and being forced to come in light.
I think we have reached a standstill here. Let's agree to disagree, pal.
No we actually agree on it now!!!! I just misread your first post, or you misread my response. I did stress on my mythical example was it was HATTON'S tactical decision to come in light, not a contracted decision between the fighters.
opticald wrote:Blame Pacquaio this is all his doing, the catchweight bitch
Poor Cotto, FORCED against his will to take this fight, against a guy who has spent the majority of his career fighting 1-7 divisions below him. Cry for Cotto, who will likely have an on-the-night advantage of 10-15lb. It really is disgusting he has to fight that "bitch", especially when he'll have to drop an entire POUND from his last registered weight. Good god, I shudder to think how he'll manage it, short of having an embalmer suck all the fluid out of his body and a surgeon take off both legs below the knee.
That 2 pounds will seriously weaken cotto in my opinion,we all know what he was like at light welter,he looked like a skeleton at one of the weigh ins ,he would probably have starved to make the 146 pounds that you mention and although he could say no to the fight,that's not his style to turn down a challenge and a big pay day(if it is a big pay day),trying to lose a pound when you don't have it to lose is very difficult and he will be at a big disadvantage i think.
opticald wrote:Blame Pacquaio this is all his doing, the catchweight bitch
Poor Cotto, FORCED against his will to take this fight, against a guy who has spent the majority of his career fighting 1-7 divisions below him. Cry for Cotto, who will likely have an on-the-night advantage of 10-15lb. It really is disgusting he has to fight that "bitch", especially when he'll have to drop an entire POUND from his last registered weight. Good god, I shudder to think how he'll manage it, short of having an embalmer suck all the fluid out of his body and a surgeon take off both legs below the knee.
That 2 pounds will seriously weaken cotto in my opinion,we all know what he was like at light welter,he looked like a skeleton at one of the weigh ins ,he would probably have starved to make the 146 pounds that you mention and although he could say no to the fight,that's not his style to turn down a challenge and a big pay day(if it is a big pay day),trying to lose a pound when you don't have it to lose is very difficult and he will be at a big disadvantage i think.
As big a disadvantage as conceding 10-15lb on fight night?
Mate it's not about Pacquaio. It's about Cotto and weight divisions. If Pacquaio feels that he can't compete with anyone at 147 because of the weight differential, the F*CK OFF from the division. He is trying to get them to weaken themselves so he can fight them and then he'll call himself a 147 pound champion. He tried to make the fight at 143 ffs. If he's too small, then stay away. Don't start this catchweight bs. I don't expect you to understand this though.
opticald wrote:Mate it's not about Pacquaio. It's about Cotto and weight divisions. If Pacquaio feels that he can't compete with anyone at 147 because of the weight differential, the F*CK OFF from the division. He is trying to get them to weaken themselves so he can fight them and then he'll call himself a 147 pound champion. He tried to make the fight at 143 ffs. If he's too small, then stay away. Don't start this catchweight bs. I don't expect you to understand this though.
x2 10 to 15 pounds of what,the damage is done losing the weight and having the big weight advantage won't matter in this case because we all know that cotto will still be struggling to make welter,cotto will be seriously weight weakened for this fight and it will show on the night you will see.
Miguel Cotto exuded confidence when asked about his chances against Filipino fireball Manny Pacquiao in a recent ‘interview’ made possible by the Puerto Rican’s legal adviser, topnotch lawyer Gabriel Penagaricano. Less than three months before he collides with Pacquiao at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Cotto told Fightnews and Manila Bulletin that Pacquiao is beatable and he has Pacquiao all figured out. “His weaknesses are obvious to me,” said Cotto.
While Cotto acknowledges that Pacquiao is one hell of a customer in the ring, the 28-year-old bomber is not awed.
“(Pacquiao) lost to (Erik) Morales in their first fight, had a draw against (Juan Manuel) Marquez and then a razor-thin victory in the rematch. Pacquiao faced a very tired and aged (Oscar) De La Hoya. Then Ricky Hatton, an overrated fighter,” said Cotto.
“Against me the story will be different. It will be a war,” said Cotto, who is already in his fourth week of training in Puerto Rico under the watchful eyes of chief trainer Joe Santiago and South African conditioning coach Phil Landman, who has arrived from Los Angeles.
Landman was amazed at the condition of Cotto when he first reported for work on Monday, stressing that the fighter followed the advice that he gave him following the June 13 victory over Joshua Clottey.
Cotto will continue to train in Puerto Rico in the coming weeks and will try to keep in shape even while on a four-city press tour with Pacquiao beginning Sept. 10 in New York. Other stops of the Top Rank traveling circus would be Caguas in Puerto Rico, San Francisco and finally, Los Angeles.
Cotto will transfer his training camp to Tampa, Florida, on Sept. 19.
Told about the key to victory against Pacquiao, Cotto was direct to the point.
“Hard training as always has been the key to my victories.”
And his message to Pacquiao and the Filipino people?
“I will only say that in November 14th I will step into the ring as always in excellent condition, and will win the fight for the glory of Puerto Rico,” concluded Cotto.
