Aaron Pryor Vs Kosta tzsyu

[Adamj1987]

the best Light welter champs ever IMO this would be an amazing fight with a big hitter and a buzzsaw

Pryor would have to be the fave from his record

for this discussion we'll be using the pryor from the second arguello fight and the tzsyu from the judah fight

[Ezzard]

These guys are much closer in terms of ability. I think styles probably favour Kosta and his right hand. Either Kosta lands the big one or Pryor out punches him to a decision.

I'd go for Kosta. It's a close one though.

[Seamus]

The best JWW's ever ???

Pryor by stoppage around the 11th.

[Adamj1987]

The best JWW's ever ???

Pryor by stoppage around the 11th.

i said IMO i know there are others that are seen as better in others eyes

[allworld80]

Brutal and beautiful fight. Kostya gets the late stoppage with that accurate, savage right hand.

[BoxBuzz]

Brutal and beautiful fight. Kostya gets the late stoppage with that accurate, savage right hand.

When you're right...you're right.

[Adamj1987]

Brutal and beautiful fight. Kostya gets the late stoppage with that accurate, savage right hand.

i'd of loved to have seen this fight

ive posted all these aaron pryor fights as ive only just seen more of him than his 2 arguello fights and his first title fight and hes moved up tons in my eyes as a great light welter

[danieljenkins]

aaron pryor is the best light wetler ever pryor wide ud

[yiddle]

pryor at his relentless best wins by tko in the 12th

[Adamj1987]

looking pretty split at the moment

[Goodnight, Irene]

Brutal and beautiful fight. Kostya gets the late stoppage with that accurate, savage right hand.

When you're right...you're right.

...&, today, he's wrong. Isn't that right, T-Man?

Tszyu wouldn't survive to the final bell, though he would be quite competitive all the way. Still, Pryor'd consistently lay a terrible beating on him (whilst taking plenty of licks in his own right).

Pryor stops Tszyu in twelve.

[allworld80]

...&, today, he's wrong. Isn't that right, T-Man?

Tszyu wouldn't survive to the final bell, though he would be quite competitive all the way. Still, Pryor'd consistently lay a terrible beating on him (whilst taking plenty of licks in his own right).

Pryor stops Tszyu in twelve.

A terrible beating? Kostya was too skilled a counter puncher, and hit too hard for Pryor. Aaron was not much of a clincher, which also works in Tszyu's favor. Very, very close fight, but KT late.

[Grimm]

Brutal and beautiful fight. Kostya gets the late stoppage with that accurate, savage right hand.

When you're right...you're right.

...&, today, he's wrong. Isn't that right, T-Man?

Tszyu wouldn't survive to the final bell, though he would be quite competitive all the way. Still, Pryor'd consistently lay a terrible beating on him (whilst taking plenty of licks in his own right).

Pryor stops Tszyu in twelve.

Well when talking about Aaron Pryor, Ezzard Charles or Archie Moore beware of Boxbuzz's opinions they are highly biased.

[NazNaci1]

Pryor was very un-orthadox in style but fast and busy. Tzsyu, more a sharp shooter with excellent fundementals, but conversely himself quite un-orthadox, too.

That heavy Tzsyu right might just cause enough damage over the long haul. The key question is whether Pryor could take the right hand power? Tzsyu disguised that punch so well and it came in as straight as an arrow.

[jaclem2]

...this is a silly one..of course it's kosta...

..and boxbuzz is not biased about pryor..he saw him more than anyone here, except for me....

[Goodnight, Irene]

"A terrible beating? Kostya was too skilled a counter puncher, and hit too hard for Pryor. Aaron was not much of a clincher, which also works in Tszyu's favor. Very, very close fight, but KT late.

" - TF

Yes, a terrible beating. I never got over the way Tszyu held his elbows absurdly far from his hips & waist. Those ribs were always sitting-duck material. A younger Chavez might've killed Tszyu for that reason. Anyway, that's where much of the damage is done, IMO --- Pryor batters Tszyu downstairs, opening him up over the top, conversely.

One thing I will say is hard to get out of my head is Tszyu's accuracy --- Pryor's activity level & sheer savagery are going to see him through, but, boy, Tszyu's going to hurt him. More than once, & more than fleetingly.

[I Feel Fine]

I'm ambivalent about Pryor, I'm not crazy about Tzsyu, but I think of the right hands that a smaller Arguello landed on Pryor, and I think of the right hands that Tzsyu would grace his chin with... and I'm not sure. On the other hand, while I know Tzsyu was not in his prime and was inactive, I think of Hatton beating him rather clearly before making him quit and consider how many worlds better Pryor is than Ricky... and I'm not sure.
All things considered I'll lean towards Tzsyu, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

[Goodnight, Irene]

One thing I don't like to see is people retrospectively downgrade Hatton's win against Tszyu.

Yes, Hatton was permitted to get away with more than he should've.

No, Tszyu was no longer in his prime, & injuries had further hurt him.

However, the way this win is routinely trashed is way overboard (& this comes from an Aussie!). Facts are, Hatton was a pretty damn huge underdog. Maybe not massive, but approaching that point. People have plainly forgotten how much better Tszyu was considered. No one spoke of Tszyu's ring-rust or that he was past his peak (he wasn't by all that much, incidentally), &, worst of all, nobody acknowledges the sen-friggin-sational effort Tszyu put forth that night. For eleven rounds, it was an anybody's-guess-dogfight of the most exciting magnitude.

Tszyu was relatively close to his peak, being one of the better aged fighters of his generation.

Tszyu was incredibly gutsy & sharp that night, & would've beaten most anybody else, among the other contenders at 140lbs.

Hatton beat him. Pryor was far, far superior, but the best Tszyu wasn't anywhere near as far ahead as the version who Hatton defeated. Inside the distance, I might add.

[I Feel Fine]

Well, I don't trash the win and I gave Hatton credit at the time. But it is what it is. I doubt that Ricky does that to a younger, more active Tzsyu.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Sure, I wasn't targeting you, so we're clear. Just saying I see it a lot, & it's garbage.

I do think the 1999-2002 Tszyu gets the better of Hatton (particularly with a different ref & venue), but it would always be difficult, & Pryor brings many of the same mauling, bruising tactics Hatton did. Thing is, he's miles better, & even more bitterly tenacious.

[allworld80]

One thing I don't like to see is people retrospectively downgrade Hatton's win against Tszyu.

Yes, Hatton was permitted to get away with more than he should've.

No, Tszyu was no longer in his prime, & injuries had further hurt him.

However, the way this win is routinely trashed is way overboard (& this comes from an Aussie!). Facts are, Hatton was a pretty damn huge underdog. Maybe not massive, but approaching that point. People have plainly forgotten how much better Tszyu was considered. No one spoke of Tszyu's ring-rust or that he was past his peak (he wasn't by all that much, incidentally), &, worst of all, nobody acknowledges the sen-friggin-sational effort Tszyu put forth that night. For eleven rounds, it was an anybody's-guess-dogfight of the most exciting magnitude.

I tried to count the illegal blows landed by Hatton in that fight once. I believe I stopped somewhere around 35. I agree with you that it was very close though nine rounds, but that says more about Tszyu's desire than it does about the absolute garbage that Dave Parris was allowing Hatton to get away with. Kostya was too classy even in defeat to bring that up. A mugging took place that night, and having seen it with my own eyes many times, I'll never believe otherwise.

[allworld80]

I doubt that Ricky does that to a younger, more active Tzsyu.

Quite right. A prime Tszyu with a competent ref bombs Hatton out in under 7.

[banjo]

I doubt that Ricky does that to a younger, more active Tzsyu.

Quite right. A prime Tszyu with a competent ref bombs Hatton out in under 3.

Fixed

[allworld80]

I doubt that Ricky does that to a younger, more active Tzsyu.

Quite right. A prime Tszyu with a competent ref bombs Hatton out in under 3.

Fixed

[Tantum]

:>