HW tournament.

[gambler49]

Michael Spinks (prime) vs Pinklon Thomas (prime)
Muhamad Ali (1975) vs Larry Holmes (1980)

Gerry Cooney (1982) vs Tommy Morrison ( 1994)
Floyd Patterson (prime) vs Michael Moorer (1994)


12 rounds. No 3 knockdown. No standing 8 count.

[Adamj1987]

Spinks beats Thomas by KO
Holmes beats ali on points

Cooney beats morrison by late KO
Moorer beats patterson on points

[observer1]

Michael Spinks (prime) vs Pinklon Thomas (prime) - IMO, Spinks UD
Muhamad Ali (1975) vs Larry Holmes (1980) - IMO, Ali UD

Gerry Cooney (1982) vs Tommy Morrison ( 1994) - IMO, Cooney TKO
Floyd Patterson (prime) vs Michael Moorer (1994) - IMO, Patterson Close UD


12 rounds. No 3 knockdown. No standing 8 count.

[gambler49]

Thomas by close SD no knockdowns wiv Pinky scoring wiv the jab.
Holmes by UD

Cooney by brutal KO round 3. Cooney had to survive some shakey moment from the dukes left hooks. Morrison went down 5 times in the fight.
Patterson KO round 8 in a very entertaining fight Paterson gets off the floor to KO Moorer.

Holmes by UD battle of the jabs wiv Holmes coming out on top.
Cooney gets cut in round 6 and in round 10 is way behind on all scorecard scores a KO in 10

Holmes KO 12

[yiddle]

spinks vs thomas -spinks ud 12

holmes vs ali -holmes ud 12

cooney vs morrison-cooney ko 5

patterson vs moorer-patterson sd 12

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Spinks UD- Michale could avoid the jab, then what?

Holmes SD- Prime Larry squeaks by, though I would be surprised to see him get the actual decision in a tight one.

Morrison KO3- somebody would get floored early, since everyone has Cooney, it would probably be him.

Moorer KO4- Floyd wouldn't stand up well to Moorer, he was too small.


Holmes UD Spinks- Michael's style would always cause larry trouble. In his youth he would avoid more punches and pull out the dec.

Moorer KO3- A wicked brawl with both guys on the deck.

Holmes UD- Not that Larry had to deal with any southpaws and the jab from MM would be pesky. Holmes right hands would eventually start to bust Michael up and Larry pulls away late, possibly by stoppage.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Spinks wins a relatively narrow decision over Thomas.

Holmes wins a fairly comfortable decision over an ageing Ali.

Cooney survives an early wobble to decimate Morrison via KO in the fifth.

Patterson wins a tight decision over Moorer, in which both hit the ringmat.

What's the next round? Is it Winner Of Fight I vs. Winner Of Fight II or Winner Of Fight One vs. Winner Of Fight Four?, & the adjoining, remaining match?

[dempseyfire]

Thomas over Spinks by UD. There is a reason Spinks fought the likes of Tangstad instead of actual live bodies

Holmes UD over Ali. The slowing Ali gets soundly outjabbed.

Cooney demolishes the forever over-rated Morrison in two

Patterson by KO mid-rounds over Moorer. Amazed at how little credit Floyd gets on here. At his peak the guy was a destroyer. Moorer was a solid all-around fighter but really nothing special.

[I Feel Fine]

Spinks vs. Thomas... Spinks by a close decision.
'75 Ali vs. '80 Holmes... same Holmes, a younger Ali who now has a good deal left, but still far past his prime. Not sure why Ali is the only one who is not in or at least close to his prime. Either way, Ali was better than Holmes in nearly every facet of the game, but clearly the difference was not so great that an Ali who was in his last good year at 33 would beat a prime Holmes. What really wins the fight for Holmes is the fight being scheduled as a 12 rounder and not a 15 rounder where the tougher Ali would probably rally to a close decision in the championship rounds of a close fight. As Holmes himself would say, the real champions show up in those extra rounds. (Prime for prime Ali clearly wins clearly, and situation reversed Ali in his prime would dominate and school the 33 year old Holmes who barely beat an inexperienced Witherspoon.)
Clearly Cooney is too big and strong for Morrison, I don't see how Morrison's chin holds up.
I'm sure Patterson has some problems with Moorer but I don't really see that Michael would have the chin to hold up to Floyd's punches (though I know that Moorer could say the same and might catch Floyd first) and I think Floyd was a better boxer regardless with much faster hands.
Holmes beats Cooney, tough fight to predict, though...
Patterson beats Spinks by a decision. Holmes wins a decision or scores a late stoppage against Floyd. Holmes thanks the promoters for the opportunity to win a tournament so obviously stacked in his favor that even the Yankees would be jealous. Holmes actually in his prime versus Michael Spinks, who barely beat an old version of him. Cooney, who he already knocked out. A younger Ali who Larry can get credit for beating but who is still too old to be the clear favorite. Throw in the much smaller Patterson and a no-hoper in Morrison and you have a wet dream for the Easton Assassin. Felix Trinidad immediately calls up gambler and asks him to set up his next tournament, reminding him to add Joppy again but to be sure that Hopkins is 85.

[Ezzard]

Spinks was not a proven HW. He avoided any live contenders to make sure he got the fight with Tyson (for the money). Thomas wins easily.


Holmes to beat the older Ali on points.

Cooney to KO Morrison (but could go either way)

Patterson probably beats Moorer.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Thomas over Spinks by UD. There is a reason Spinks fought the likes of Tangstad instead of actual live bodies

Holmes UD over Ali. The slowing Ali gets soundly outjabbed.

Cooney demolishes the forever over-rated Morrison in two

Patterson by KO mid-rounds over Moorer. Amazed at how little credit Floyd gets on here. At his peak the guy was a destroyer. Moorer was a solid all-around fighter but really nothing special.

Holmesx2 & tyson in 5 Heavyweight fights is hardly pathetic competition. Tangstad was merely a tune up during a pretty sad era.

[The Great John L]

Thomas over Spinks by UD. There is a reason Spinks fought the likes of Tangstad instead of actual live bodies

Holmes UD over Ali. The slowing Ali gets soundly outjabbed.

Cooney demolishes the forever over-rated Morrison in two

Patterson by KO mid-rounds over Moorer. Amazed at how little credit Floyd gets on here. At his peak the guy was a destroyer. Moorer was a solid all-around fighter but really nothing special.

Holmesx2 & tyson in 5 Heavyweight fights is hardly pathetic competition. Tangstad was merely a tune up during a pretty sad era.

I think he's referring to his defenses against the inactive and over the hill Cooney as well as Tangstad. I think the Holmes rematch was contractual, so yes I would say it's a safe bet to say that Spinks was being careful with his selection of opponents prior to the big money Tyson match.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No doubt that he was, his knees were shot and he was looking for a final payday. Cooney was fairly big money for him. I'm just saying that after fighting larry twice and getting destroyed by tyson, his competition was overall well above average.

It's not like there were a ton of names for him to face. Certainly Tangstad was a gigantic nobody, but there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything.

[The Great John L]

No doubt that he was, his knees were shot and he was looking for a final payday. Cooney was fairly big money for him. I'm just saying that after fighting larry twice and getting destroyed by tyson, his competition was overall well above average.

It's not like there were a ton of names for him to face. Certainly Tangstad was a gigantic nobody, but there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything.

There were plenty of guys more deserving than Cooney or Tangstad, but he does get credit for the rematch with Holmes. And I'd hardly call his competition well above average considering this when an era when most top HW contenders actually fought each other.

Either way, Spinks was a very good fighter, but I'm with df. A prime Thomas probably too much for him.

[danieljenkins]

[quote="gambler49"]Michael Spinks (prime) vs Pinklon Thomas spinks wide ud
Muhamad Ali (1975) vs Larry Holmes (1980) holmes ud

Gerry Cooney (1982) vs Tommy Morrison ( 1994) gerry cooney close points
Floyd Patterson (prime) vs Michael Moorer (1994) patterson wide ud

[gambler49]

Michael Spinks (prime) vs Pinklon Thomas spinks wide ud
Muhamad Ali (1975) vs Larry Holmes (1980) holmes ud

Gerry Cooney (1982) vs Tommy Morrison ( 1994) gerry cooney close points
Floyd Patterson (prime) vs Michael Moorer (1994) patterson wide ud

I dont understand how u think Cooney Morrison goes to points? I also think U and others underestimate a prime Pinklon Thomas. His prime was short lived. But he was one of the best from the 80s Behind Holmes and Tyson.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No doubt that he was, his knees were shot and he was looking for a final payday. Cooney was fairly big money for him. I'm just saying that after fighting larry twice and getting destroyed by tyson, his competition was overall well above average.

It's not like there were a ton of names for him to face. Certainly Tangstad was a gigantic nobody, but there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything.

There were plenty of guys more deserving than Cooney or Tangstad, but he does get credit for the rematch with Holmes. And I'd hardly call his competition well above average considering this when an era when most top HW contenders actually fought each other.

Either way, Spinks was a very good fighter, but I'm with df. A prime Thomas probably too much for him.

Who was deserving? I didn't say anything about Cooney or Tangstad deserving anything. i said at the time there was no one on the sidelines that had to be fought.

If 60% of your Heavyweight ledger is holmes & tyson and that isn't above average, you have astonishing standards.

[The Great John L]

No doubt that he was, his knees were shot and he was looking for a final payday. Cooney was fairly big money for him. I'm just saying that after fighting larry twice and getting destroyed by tyson, his competition was overall well above average.

It's not like there were a ton of names for him to face. Certainly Tangstad was a gigantic nobody, but there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything.

There were plenty of guys more deserving than Cooney or Tangstad, but he does get credit for the rematch with Holmes. And I'd hardly call his competition well above average considering this when an era when most top HW contenders actually fought each other.

Either way, Spinks was a very good fighter, but I'm with df. A prime Thomas probably too much for him.

Who was deserving? I didn't say anything about Cooney or Tangstad deserving anything. i said at the time there was no one on the sidelines that had to be fought.

If 60% of your Heavyweight ledger is holmes & tyson and that isn't above average, you have astonishing standards.

Please reread your post above. You said "there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything", which implies they were just as deserving as the rest of the HW division at the time, which is just silly. And before you read more into this than there actually is, I will repeat that Spinks was a very good fighter, and I was a big fan of his.

And I would say my standards are very reasonable, you just seem to give way too much credit for 5 HW fights, which hardly seems well above average unless you are rather new to the sport and familiar only with the way HWs are brought along now. Most of the alphabet HW title holders of the 80's had better resumes because they actually fought amongst each other, including some who also fought Holmes and Tyson as well as other top 10 HWs.

[dempseyfire]

No doubt that he was, his knees were shot and he was looking for a final payday. Cooney was fairly big money for him. I'm just saying that after fighting larry twice and getting destroyed by tyson, his competition was overall well above average.

It's not like there were a ton of names for him to face. Certainly Tangstad was a gigantic nobody, but there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything.

There were plenty of guys more deserving than Cooney or Tangstad, but he does get credit for the rematch with Holmes. And I'd hardly call his competition well above average considering this when an era when most top HW contenders actually fought each other.

Either way, Spinks was a very good fighter, but I'm with df. A prime Thomas probably too much for him.

Who was deserving? I didn't say anything about Cooney or Tangstad deserving anything. i said at the time there was no one on the sidelines that had to be fought.

If 60% of your Heavyweight ledger is holmes & tyson and that isn't above average, you have astonishing standards.

Not a bad ledger, but he got demolished by Tyson and by objective scorecards lost to a past-it Holmes in the rematch. Scarping by a 36 year old Holmes and beating a substance abusing, inactive Cooney do not make a very sparkling resume at HW IMO

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Find someone who said it did. But his competition level was far from the garbage you tried to make it out to be.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

]No doubt that he was, his knees were shot and he was looking for a final payday. Cooney was fairly big money for him. I'm just saying that after fighting larry twice and getting destroyed by tyson, his competition was overall well above average.

It's not like there were a ton of names for him to face. Certainly Tangstad was a gigantic nobody, but there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything.[/quote]

There were plenty of guys more deserving than Cooney or Tangstad, but he does get credit for the rematch with Holmes. And I'd hardly call his competition well above average considering this when an era when most top HW contenders actually fought each other.

Either way, Spinks was a very good fighter, but I'm with df. A prime Thomas probably too much for him.[/quote]


Who was deserving? I didn't say anything about Cooney or Tangstad deserving anything. i said at the time there was no one on the sidelines that had to be fought.

If 60% of your Heavyweight ledger is holmes & tyson and that isn't above average, you have astonishing standards.[/quote]

Please reread your post above. You said "there wasn't anyone waiting that deserved anything", which implies they were just as deserving as the rest of the HW division at the time, which is just silly. And before you read more into this than there actually is, I will repeat that Spinks was a very good fighter, and I was a big fan of his.

And I would say my standards are very reasonable, you just seem to give way too much credit for 5 HW fights, which hardly seems well above average unless you are rather new to the sport and familiar only with the way HWs are brought along now. Most of the alphabet HW title holders of the 80's had better resumes because they actually fought amongst each other, including some who also fought Holmes and Tyson as well as other top 10 HWs.[/quote]


No, that wasn't implied at all. Just stating that there were no challengers around that were being overlooked. I asked for some names of who was there that deserved a shot. LOL, at new to the sport, that's a fairly odd assumption if you look at my user name and the fact that I post almost exclusively in boxers of the past.

I remember the era well and watched all of those fights live, even Page/Tubbs, quite possibly the worst title fight in history. I said Tangstad was a gigantic nobody, it's just not like there was a Sonny Liston waiting for his shot. They were all retreads at that point.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Thomas over Spinks by UD. There is a reason Spinks fought the likes of Tangstad instead of actual live bodies

Holmes UD over Ali. The slowing Ali gets soundly outjabbed.

Cooney demolishes the forever over-rated Morrison in two

Patterson by KO mid-rounds over Moorer. Amazed at how little credit Floyd gets on here. At his peak the guy was a destroyer. Moorer was a solid all-around fighter but really nothing special.

- I'm amazed that anyone thinks this a tourney. Looks like a random stream of conciousness cobbled together to make noise. Nobody has yet bothered to match their winners to the finals.

Gonna pick on you since you've become my poster child on the board. Pressuring Thomas behind a jab over Spinks not bad, but Spinks perfectly capable of outboxing Thomas, a pickem fight in essence.

Why the guy chose a diminished Ali to match with prime Holmes indicates this ain't serious, but again, Ali would take a Holmes fight very serious and might well pull it out, another pickem thanks to Holmes never proving himself against any prime heavies of note.

Morrison did the only boxing masterclass ever put on Big George, and was in against more contender typs than Cooney ever thought about, and we saw what Big George did to squash Cooney. Morrison not only the more compelling fighter, but the better record by far should be properly favoured. Not to diminish the formidable talents of Cooney, but upstairs he was soft and not a fighter's fighter. Of course put him on Tommy's vitamins, might have the Greatest ever with your reputation redeemed!

I'd pick any version of Moorer who ever existed over Patterson. Bigger, stronger, better chin, more power, better boxer, better balance, and a southpaw to boot. Floyd an early to rise, early to bed kind of fighter against a Moorer.

In fact, I'd pick the definitive southpaw Moorer to win the tourney. 2x champ at his best in this tourney with a win over prime Field and outslugging Big George toe to toe for 8 rds. The quick aggression of Morrison and cagey Spinks would be his biggest KO threats. The long looping Cooney, plodding Thomas, and light hitting Holmes and Ali would be unlikely to outbox him or land a HR on him.

[gambler49]

In fact, I'd pick the definitive southpaw Moorer to win the tourney. 2x champ at his best in this tourney with a win over prime Field and outslugging Big George toe to toe for 8 rds. The quick aggression of Morrison and cagey Spinks would be his biggest KO threats. The long looping Cooney, plodding Thomas, and light hitting Holmes and Ali would be unlikely to outbox him or land a HR on him.[/quote]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Collins2000]

[quote="BroughtonRulesRefuge""]In fact, I'd pick the definitive southpaw Moorer to win the tourney. 2x champ at his best in this tourney with a win over prime Field and outslugging Big George toe to toe for 8 rds. The quick aggression of Morrison and cagey Spinks would be his biggest KO threats. The long looping Cooney, plodding Thomas, and light hitting Holmes and Ali would be unlikely to outbox him or land a HR on him.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

BRR appears to be barking mad.

Either that or he has never seen any of these fighters in action.

[Robinson]

Michael Spinks (prime) vs Pinklon Thomas (prime)
Muhamad Ali (1975) vs Larry Holmes (1980)

Gerry Cooney (1982) vs Tommy Morrison ( 1994)
Floyd Patterson (prime) vs Michael Moorer (1994)


12 rounds. No 3 knockdown. No standing 8 count.

Thomas leads early with his jab, he is able to move well, but the
in and out movements of Spinks catches up with Thomas.
The fight slides in SPinks favour by around the 5th.

Spinks UD


Holmes and Ali mix it up nicely. Holmes leads well, even though
Ali has his rallies, but he gives up to many rounds, or to much
time in each round.

Holmes UD (if it was 1970s judges Ali SD ;))

Cooney drops Morrison in the second round, as Tommy is mid
punch. Morrison comes back to wobble and then drop Cooney.
The fight is back and fourth, both guys get hurt.
In the 6th however Cooney lands a left hook that closes Morrisons
eyes

Cooney KO 6.

Patterson is fast and moves well, though he struggles with Moorer
who is able to get his jab on the inside. Both men go to the canvas
Patterson twice, Moorer once. By the end of this exciting fight
Patterson has his hands raised at the end of it. The crowd boo's but
it was close.

Patterson SD