Joe Calzaghe vs .... all at age twenty eight, at 168 lbs

[Finn]

Joe vs:

Tommy Hearns
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones Jr
James Toney
Antonio Tarver
Michael Spinks
Bob Foster
Archie Moore
Carlos Monzoon
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sugar Ray Leonard
Chris Eubank
Nigel Benn
Jake LaMotta
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
"Bobby" Czyz
Harry Greb
Stanley Ketchell
Ezzard Charles
John Conteh
Nino Benvenuti

Who would Joe have beaten?

why isnt collins on the list?

calzaghe would have beaten them all. if hopkins thought he could have beaten calzaghe why didnt try fighting him when they got in the ring together instead of spending the fight spoiling.

People are talking about toney, hopkins and rjj being greats! collins, benn, eubank or calzaghe would have been big fights for all of them at the now super middle weight. Note these so called greats dodged them all or lost to calzaghe.

Who has Bernard Hopkins actually beat? Tarver! thats about it and i wouldnt consider him anything better than a frank bruno type level of champion.

All these american fighters ever did was make reputations off each other, rematch after rematch, they never wanted to risk loosing their belts, reputations and big purse fights to british fighters and avoided them like the plague.

Hopkins lost to a second rater like taylor. Taylor a man knocked out by carl froch (the poor mans calzaghe lol), froch a fighter who is in all reality only just in the top 6 super middle weights if that.

Oh, and Kingfanboy, btw, im British, not American, only difference is that im not a backward un-educated nationalistic meathead like yourself

Whats you being british got to do with what i've written?

I'd also bet good money im better educated than you. I'd bet my months wages as an insurance broker, and if i win you can take on the payments for my 7 year old student loans.

[Finn]

There is an entire world outside the U.S? Okay, though I think I was aware. It is funny how the British in their moments of anti-American hyperbole forget their own history of nationalism and imperialism. Get serious.
Calzaghe would have knocked Hopkins out five years ago? D

Based on the fact that hopkins has been beaten and hasnt actually beaten anyone good.

[I Feel Fine]

Yeah, Hopkins sucks.

[observer1]

Whats you being british got to do with what i've written?

Er... you're banging on about how Joe is not rated because he is not an American.

This has nothing to do with who is from where, white, black, green etc.

Facts are Facts.

Joe could only muster a dodgy SD against a 43 year old B-Hop.
Then only a muster a PPV Flop against a 40 year old RJJ. The Same RJJ who was dangerously KO'd about 5 years ago, and only can manage to get guys C-Grade Boxers in the ring with him now.

You seem to casualy omit Joe said himself he wouldn't face RJJ unless he got paid the Crown Jewels

[I Feel Fine]

I somehow remember most Americans, including myself, ranking Calzaghe #2 behind Pacquiao. We're so anti-British... and anti-Filipino, for that matter. America is bad for boxing.

[Finn]

I somehow remember most Americans, including myself, ranking Calzaghe #2 behind Pacquiao. We're so anti-British... and anti-Filipino, for that matter. America is bad for boxing.

if you ranked him number 2 your contradicting yourself then arent you.

[I Feel Fine]

Nope. Calzaghe at the time was the second best fighter in the world, Hopkins and Jones were not. The point that I made, and the point of the thread, is that they were better in their primes. Calzaghe is the youngest of the three, and Jones fell off a cliff years ago.

[Finn]

Whats you being british got to do with what i've written?

Er... you're banging on about how Joe is not rated because he is not an American.

This has nothing to do with who is from where, white, black, green etc.

Facts are Facts.

Joe could only muster a dodgy SD against a 43 year old B-Hop.
Then only a muster a PPV Flop against a 40 year old RJJ. The Same RJJ who was dangerously KO'd about 5 years ago, and only can manage to get guys C-Grade Boxers in the ring with him now.

You seem to casualy omit Joe said himself he wouldn't face RJJ unless he got paid the Crown Jewels

so what your telling me is that as a brit living here in this country you honestly believe the majority of british and europeans rate RJJ above Calzaghe at super middle weight ha ha ha ha and how do you rate froch??????. Even I feel fine would have trouble believing that?

[Finn]

Nope. Calzaghe at the time was the second best fighter in the world, Hopkins and Jones were not. The point that I made, and the point of the thread, is that they were better in their primes. Calzaghe is the youngest of the three, and Jones fell off a cliff years ago.

Calzaghe was past his best when he faught them both, granted he was the younger, but out of the three he's the only one who's retired. In his prime he had to fight awkward fighters in smaller fights. He hadnt even made that much money until he beat lacy then the big money came in from the kessler, hopkins and jones fights. That shows how the US hold the boxing market, US fighters can get rich fighting nobodies, british fighters cant.

[I Feel Fine]

Calzaghe was not anything like as far gone as Jones, and Hopkins at Calzaghe's age was at his best. Calzaghe retired earlier, so what...? Jones should have retired five years ago.
Hopkins wasn't making really big money either until he beat Trinidad.

[Finn]

Calzaghe was not anything like as far gone as Jones, and Hopkins at Calzaghe's age was at his best. Calzaghe retired earlier, so what...? Jones should have retired five years ago.
Hopkins wasn't making really big money either until he beat Trinidad.

Why are both these fighters still fighting then? because they know they can carry on making money fighting overhyped fighters for lots of money as usual.

Why did calzaghe retire? theres noone worth fighting.

Dont get me wrong i think RJJ deserves being recognised as a great champion winning belts in the different weight classes he did, but as far as super middle weight is concerned calzaghe was the ultimate. Note he only faught once at light heavy.

[I Feel Fine]

Hopkins fighting the Middleweight champion in his last fight and then possibly fighting the Light Heavyweight or Cruiserweight champion in his next is fighting over hyped fighters?
I agree, though, Jones beat an over hyped fighter in Lacy... so did Calzaghe, and that was his best win to date.
Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight champion of all time in terms of accomplishments. In terms of ability Jones was the best at that weight.

[Finn]

Hopkins fighting the Middleweight champion in his last fight and then possibly fighting the Light Heavyweight or Cruiserweight champion in his next is fighting over hyped fighters?
I agree, though, Jones beat an over hyped fighter in Lacy... so did Calzaghe, and that was his best win to date.
Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight champion of all time in terms of accomplishments. In terms of ability Jones was the best at that weight.

Disagree, and kessler was calzaghes best win. Lacy was overhyped but he was a better boxer before he got in the ring with calzaghe and had his confidence stripped from him.

[Goodnight, Irene]

"...Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight champion of all time in terms of accomplishments. In terms of ability Jones was the best at that weight." - IFF

A reality few, if any, Brits seem able (or is that willing?) to comprehend.

[Finn]

"...Calzaghe is the best Super Middleweight champion of all time in terms of accomplishments. In terms of ability Jones was the best at that weight." - IFF

A reality few, if any, Brits seem able (or is that willing?) to comprehend.

well it couldnt be that the americans are wrong! theres a reason why calzaghe was the longest reigning super middle weight champion and RJJ wasnt. If RJJ could have beaten calzaghe in his prime, why didnt he fight him?

[Goodnight, Irene]

"well it couldnt be that the americans are wrong! theres a reason why calzaghe was the longest reigning super middle weight champion and RJJ wasnt. If RJJ could have beaten calzaghe in his prime, why didnt he fight him?" - KF

You are aware Calzaghe produced one of the most pathetic excuses of his generation, right? Fear of flying? Ring any bells?

[TigerMoth]

- By the way, if anyone really wants to appreciate how great a competition you've become for Mr. Observer's BOTY belt, (Bozo of the Year), Joe had been fighting exactly one year when the above fight took place and sported a perfect 7-0 record.

True, Roy would've handled the young Joe then, but Joe could've easily flitted about the ring and slapped the fatty off of Mr. TwoTons like Mr. Tiberi ended up doing to such great comical acclaim.[/quote].

You must be illterate. Try to understand the title of the thread, easy for anyone who isn't illterate. Both boxers are age twenty eight in this theoretical discussion. Talk about BOTY. You are the only one who couldn't understand the discussion.

So, since you never answered due to your apparent lack of literacy, try now, of the fighters listed, both fighters at age twenty eight, who would slapping Joe have beater? Please give your answer!

[TigerMoth]

By the way, sorry to see this has turned into a British vs American discussion. I included both British and American boxers in the list.

Only one person, in detail, said fighter by fighter (British and American), who he thought Joe could have beaten. That is topic and a list of boxers was given. So, both boxers at age twenty eight, who would Joe have beaten?

[bjermaine]

well it couldnt be that the americans are wrong! theres a reason why calzaghe was the longest reigning super middle weight champion and RJJ wasnt. If RJJ could have beaten calzaghe in his prime, why didnt he fight him?

joe was the longest reigning champ because he held the wbo belt and fought absolutely nobody for years and jones left the division after a few fights. calzaghe would have never stepped in the ring with jones or anyone else great that was close to their prime. his record shows that. he needs to stay undefeated so he can have chumps like you think he was a great fighter.

[Finn]

well it couldnt be that the americans are wrong! theres a reason why calzaghe was the longest reigning super middle weight champion and RJJ wasnt. If RJJ could have beaten calzaghe in his prime, why didnt he fight him?

joe was the longest reigning champ because he held the wbo belt and fought absolutely nobody for years and jones left the division after a few fights. calzaghe would have never stepped in the ring with jones or anyone else great that was close to their prime. his record shows that. he needs to stay undefeated so he can have chumps like you think he was a great fighter.

What like kessler a fighter considered by many as currently the best in the world.

Im not going to bother with you, anyone who thinks calzage was a nobody considering he held the IBF, WBO, WBC, WBA super middle weight belts and Ring Light Heavy weight belt simultaneously, is more than a clown.

Yer your right he musnt have been a great fighter, them belts must have been posted to him lol.

[bjermaine]

well it couldnt be that the americans are wrong! theres a reason why calzaghe was the longest reigning super middle weight champion and RJJ wasnt. If RJJ could have beaten calzaghe in his prime, why didnt he fight him?

joe was the longest reigning champ because he held the wbo belt and fought absolutely nobody for years and jones left the division after a few fights. calzaghe would have never stepped in the ring with jones or anyone else great that was close to their prime. his record shows that. he needs to stay undefeated so he can have chumps like you think he was a great fighter.

What like kessler a fighter considered by many as currently the best in the world.

Im not going to bother with you, anyone who thinks calzage was a nobody considering he held the IBF, WBO, WBC, WBA super middle weight belts and Ring Light Heavy weight belt simultaneously, is more than a clown.

Yer your right he musnt have been a great fighter, them belts must have been posted to him lol.

who has kessler beat? you act like he has a list of wins against future hofs. kessler is a good solid fighter but he doesn't move his head and i think he'll be exposed at some point in the tourney. joe held all the belts but not all at one time. the ibf stripped him when he fought manfredo. if you want to count belts look at pictures of jones and his 8 belts after wins in the early 2000s. belts for the most part are meaningless.

[observer1]

Nope. Calzaghe at the time was the second best fighter in the world, Hopkins and Jones were not. The point that I made, and the point of the thread, is that they were better in their primes. Calzaghe is the youngest of the three, and Jones fell off a cliff years ago.

Calzaghe was past his best when he faught them both, granted he was the younger, but out of the three he's the only one who's retired. In his prime he had to fight awkward fighters in smaller fights. He hadnt even made that much money until he beat lacy then the big money came in from the kessler, hopkins and jones fights. That shows how the US hold the boxing market, US fighters can get rich fighting nobodies, british fighters cant.

exactly

This guy can't seem to get into his head that a "pass it Joe" had his biggest bout against Kessler just before he faced old man Hopkins and RJJ.

i've seen fanboys in my time, but damn.. this dude is just sad

[I Feel Fine]

I am a little confused by your post observer but I would repeat that I think that Calzaghe's win over Kessler was a good win and it is a big part of why I rate him #1 at Super Middleweight.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

You must be illterate. Try to understand the title of the thread, easy for anyone who isn't illterate. Both boxers are age twenty eight in this theoretical discussion. Talk about BOTY. You are the only one who couldn't understand the discussion.

- Oh, brother, spare me a dime and shortcircuited braincell to donate to you my dear soft shortbussed lad. You've left Mr. Observer splotto dead cold on the canvas and out of the running for 09 BOTY Belt. Congrats, condolences, and more special ed to follow.

At age 28 Mr. Two Tons was busy being gut checked by little Montell Griffin for the 2nd time, losing the title challenge to his LH belt, then barely squeaking a decision over ancient McCallum for a lower case abc cruiser chump change title, and then being exposed by the great Drake Thadzi who came all the way from Europe to slap his fat all jiggy for the IBO LH belt.

Joe would be something like 3000-0 fighting Mr. Two Tons every day and twice on Sunday from ages 28 forward, but unfortunately these bouts couldn't be sanctioned because of Mr. Two Tons' excessive girth and reliance upon banned vitamins.

illterate is it, eh? CLASSIC!!!!!

[TigerMoth]

Great work. You only have 19 fighters to go in order to respond to the post.

By the way, ironically, I don't know why, age twenty eight was a bad year for James Toney - then, he didn't lose again for the next ten years until Samuel Peter beat him. At age 35 he KO'd Evander Holyfield. Care to comment on how Joe would have done against Evander!