Joe Calzaghe Fans

[I Feel Fine]

Yeah, we all know that British fighters don't wrestle. How many fighters would even be fighting at that level in their 40s? Not many. You make it sound like Hopkins was 25.
Britain did not invent boxing, Britain invented modern boxing under the Queensbury rules; that does not mean that the British own it. The United States had dominated the sport for well over a century. It is well known that the sport is losing popularity in this country and that it is slipping, but to suggest that the U.S. has been a second stringer to Britain historically in terms of boxing is asinine.
A major name in boxing who has British and Canadian and Jamaican roots was added to the hall of fame just a few months ago, joining Fitzsimmons and Johannson and Sanchez and Duran and many, many other non-Americans. Your comments are ridiculous.

[Finn]

Yeah, we all know that British fighters don't wrestle. How many fighters would even be fighting at that level in their 40s? Not many. You make it sound like Hopkins was 25.
Britain did not invent boxing, Britain invented modern boxing under the Queensbury rules; that does not mean that the British own it. The United States had dominated the sport for well over a century. It is well known that the sport is losing popularity in this country and that it is slipping, but to suggest that the U.S. has been a second stringer to Britain historically in terms of boxing is asinine.
A major name in boxing who has British and Canadian and Jamaican roots was added to the hall of fame just a few months ago, joining Fitzsimmons and Johannson and Sanchez and Duran and many, many other non-Americans. Your comments are ridiculous.

oh so the hall of fame isnt american, americans win BAFTA awards in england too, i wouldnt be stupid enough to suggest it doesnt favour the british.

I didnt suggest america was playing second string to the british in boxing, i suggested it had alot of overhyped nobodies who have managed to duck good british and european fighters due to americas ability to segragate markets.

[I Feel Fine]

it had alot of overhyped nobodies who have managed to duck good british and european fighters due to americas ability to segragate markets.

Likewise.

[Collins2000]

i suggested it had alot of overhyped nobodies who have managed to duck good british and european fighters due to americas ability to segragate markets.

Pure fantasy.

[Finn]

i suggested it had alot of overhyped nobodies who have managed to duck good british and european fighters due to americas ability to segragate markets.

Pure fantasy.

really name some top american fighters who have faught, benn, eubank, collins, calzaghe, ottke, kessler, Bute or Abraham.

[I Feel Fine]

Are you serious? It is pathetic for you not to know that. And contemptibly insulting to Gerald McClellan. What top Americans has Calzaghe fought? Are you schizophrenic? Abraham is about to fight Jermain Taylor in the first round of the huge Super Middleweight tournament; real expert on the division, are you?
You are apparently as ignorant of European boxers as you are of Americans. Greenhorn.
It is spelled "fought" by the way. You really know the English language better than we dumb Americans.

[Finn]

Are you serious? It is pathetic for you not to know that. And contemptibly insulting to Gerald McClellan. What top Americans has Calzaghe fought? Are you schizophrenic? Abraham is about to fight Jermain Taylor in the first round of the huge Super Middleweight tournament; real expert on the division, are you?
You are apparently as ignorant of European boxers as you are of Americans. Greenhorn.
It is spelled "fought" by the way. You speak great English, do you?

Taylor ha ha ha ha he's the number 6 in the super six, he's only there because bute has signed an alternate contract. if you consider taylor anything than overhyped your on crack. Or has he become a top boxer since his defeat to froch that was aired on some miniscule tv channel? Yeh top US boxer him!

Gerald McClellan is the best top american boxer you can come up with? he was beaten half to death and disabled by Benn (with all due respect to Gerald McClellan).

Its fighters like benn and eubank who both tragically disabled an opponent, that caused the fighters like RJJ to stay in in the US.

Calzaghe didnt fight the top americans because they held all the cards and didnt have to fight him, he faught kessler though didnt he, the favourite to win the HUGE super six tourney!!

Are you just going to validate my argument for me with ur responses lol.

[I Feel Fine]

What stupidity.

[Finn]

What stupidity.

really so taylor is a top american fighter, and the best fighter to come over to england didnt get unfortunatley disabled by benn?

And Kessler isnt favourite to win the super six tourney?

[bjermaine]

Calzaghe didnt fight the top americans because they held all the cards and didnt have to fight him, he faught kessler though didnt he, the favourite to win the HUGE super six tourney!!

this is pure comedy. if the boxrec boards had a shitty post hall of fame, the quote above would be inducted in its first year of eligibility.

[Collins2000]

Kingfinn added to the ignore list due to congenital stupidity.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It's, 'fought,' not, 'faught,' KingFinn. Though, frankly, seems that's the least of your short-comings.

I see your bizarro fool, BJerm, is on the scene. You two provide much mirth, with your absurd extremist viewpoints (in opposite direction) with Calzaghe.

[bjermaine]

It's, 'fought,' not, 'faught,' KingFinn. Though, frankly, seems that's the least of your short-comings.

I see your bizarro fool, BJerm, is on the scene. You two provide much myrth, with your absurd extremist viewpoints (in opposite direction) with Calzaghe.

irene, the restraining order i put against you says you have to stay at least 5 posts away from me. this stalking has to stop.

[Goodnight, Irene]

You're not going to accuse me of racism again, are you?

[Finn]

It's, 'fought,' not, 'faught,' KingFinn. Though, frankly, seems that's the least of your short-comings.

I see your bizarro fool, BJerm, is on the scene. You two provide much mirth, with your absurd extremist viewpoints (in opposite direction) with Calzaghe.

when else fails people result to complaining about spelling and grammar on a message board. Just live knowing that even though i spelt fought wrong i still earn more money than you.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Believe me, I've been reading your drivel. IFF has taken to schooling you (or trying in vain), but, hold no delusions about it, bud --- your arguments for Calzaghe are laughable. It just so happens your grammar & spelling are even more riddled with holes than your one-eyed reasoning

Jesus, it's simple. Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter, who fought a decent level of competition across the board.

KingFinn --- He was not SuperMan!

BJerm --- He was not club-level garbage!

Straight-forward stuff, really.

[Finn]

Believe me, I've been reading your drivel. IFF has taken to schooling you (or trying in vain), but, hold no delusions about it, bud --- your arguments for Calzaghe are laughable. It just so happens your grammar & spelling are even more riddled with holes than your one-eyed reasoning

Jesus, it's simple. Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter, who fought a decent level of competition across the board.

KingFinn --- He was not SuperMan!

BJerm --- He was not club-level garbage!

Straight-forward stuff, really.

Hows he been schooling me? what your saying is based on your own personal views.

Unless you've magically seen a prime for prime calzaghe vs RJJ or Hopkins fight then your talking crap. RJJ never fought any of the british greats - FACT.

I believe calzaghe was the undisputed and better fighter at super middleweight - thats half fact and half my personal opinion.

It sounds like your trying to say Calzaghe would have needed to be superman to beat RJJ or the other champions. Not bias at all!!!!

[bjermaine]

Believe me, I've been reading your drivel. IFF has taken to schooling you (or trying in vain), but, hold no delusions about it, bud --- your arguments for Calzaghe are laughable. It just so happens your grammar & spelling are even more riddled with holes than your one-eyed reasoning

Jesus, it's simple. Joe Calzaghe was a great fighter, who fought a decent level of competition across the board.

KingFinn --- He was not SuperMan!

BJerm --- He was not club-level garbage!

Straight-forward stuff, really.

i think joe was a very good fighter. he had to be to beat jones and bhop even at their advanced ages. he just wasn't a great fighter. looking at who he beat and when he beat them, there's no way he should be considered an atg.

[bjermaine]

Unless you've magically seen a prime for prime calzaghe vs RJJ or Hopkins fight then your talking crap. RJJ never fought any of the british greats - FACT.

there's a reason jones never fought all the "great" brits and it didn't have anything to do with jones.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I didn't say he was an all-time great, though. I said he was a great fighter, & I stand by that.

All-time great? Maybe at Super-Middle. I don't know if I class him so high outside of that.

[bjermaine]

I didn't say he was an all-time great, though. I said he was a great fighter, & I stand by that.

All-time great? Maybe at Super-Middle. I don't know if I class him so high outside of that.

we almost agree on something.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Gettin' warmer, that's for sure.

[TigerMoth]

[quote="dempseyfire"]Calzaghe did all one can ask of a modern fighter. He never lost, beat the other top guys in the division in their prime (Mitchell, Lacy, and Kessler) beat two ATGs (Roy, Hopkins) both past their best but Hopkins was and is still a top 5 PFP fighter, so that is no Ali-Archie Moore or Tyson-Holmes comparison there.

To claim Kessler 'hasn't proved' he's an excellent fighter is utter BS.[/quote]
There are numerous examples of great fighters moving out of their natural weight class and seeking fights with top opponents in order to achieve HOF credentials (Manny Pac, Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Sugar Ray Robinson - currently, Paul Williams - and the list goes on and on...).

Joe sat in the made up Super Middleweight Division, hardly the home of great fighters. So, silly to say he "did all one can ask of a modern fighter". He could have easily dropped down to Middleweight or moved up to Light Heavyweight to go against world class competition. But, he did not, did he?

[Finn]

I didn't say he was an all-time great, though. I said he was a great fighter, & I stand by that.

All-time great? Maybe at Super-Middle. I don't know if I class him so high outside of that.

we almost agree on something.

I've never said i rated him highly outside super middle weight, i wouldnt have fancied him to be undisputed at light heavy. But i dont think anyone could have beaten him prime for prime at super middle.

Where does it state fighters have to fight at different weights to be considered all time greats. Did Ali or lennox lewis drop to middle weight at some point?

[NazNaci1]

As a fellow Brit and a genuine non-Calzaghe hater all I would say on this topic is that in FW's own words JC struggled to make SMW for 10 years - the reason? RJJ was the supreme fighter and Undisputed LH Champ. All the spin FW used to churn out was simply a smoke screen, spewed to simply keep JC in Wales, fighting, FW selected opponents.

The only exceptions being Kessler and Lacy - which were demanded by JC, as his dissatisfaction grew - and respect to him for pushing and winning these fights.

IMO he needed to step up and fight RJJ, Tarver, Johnson (the Johnson fight fell through a few times due to injuires and money issues - according to FW, for what that is worth - not a whole lot in my bookl, so what if he had lost a few times! He already had enough money, that was the time to chase the legacy and earn his place as an ATG. He let it pass and as such ppl will always question.

Is he an ATG. some will say he is, others will say no. IMO I would say no, partly due to my dissappointment as he had the ability, the heart, chin etc...but passed up the opportunity, in order to preserve the '0'. As GI saiid, he isnt as bad as some say and he is not a great as others state. Shame, as he could have done a fair bit more, but meh :)