andre dirrell - best US fighter over here since g-man

[Counter-puncher]

harsh banjo?


the 2 easy schoolings of Tito and Shane made me forget/forgive a lot of wink's, umm, past aberrations.

[stujones]

Winky wasn't really as good as people make him out to be, he was like a lesser version of Hopkins.

Bored everyone to tears, gave rounds away and then had the nerve to bitch and whine about robberies. Vargas deserved to beat him and so did Jermain Taylor.

I'll disagree with Taylor - thought Winky won that one clearly. Vargas was a close one.

What amazes me with Winky though was his fight with Julio Cesar Vasquez... has anyone actually seen it? Isn't he floored like 5 times? Given how Winky withstood the best punches of Vargas, Taylor, Mosley, Trinidad, Simon etc without really flinching.

[banjo]

Winky wasn't really as good as people make him out to be, he was like a lesser version of Hopkins.

Bored everyone to tears, gave rounds away and then had the nerve to bitch and whine about robberies. Vargas deserved to beat him and so did Jermain Taylor.

I'll disagree with Taylor - thought Winky won that one clearly. Vargas was a close one.

What amazes me with Winky though was his fight with Julio Cesar Vasquez... has anyone actually seen it? Isn't he floored like 5 times? Given how Winky withstood the best punches of Vargas, Taylor, Mosley, Trinidad, Simon etc without really flinching.

I haven't seen the Vasquez fight but from what I've read and heard, 3 of those knockdowns were slips.

[Datsue]

I'll disagree with Taylor - thought Winky won that one clearly. Vargas was a close one.

What amazes me with Winky though was his fight with Julio Cesar Vasquez... has anyone actually seen it? Isn't he floored like 5 times? Given how Winky withstood the best punches of Vargas, Taylor, Mosley, Trinidad, Simon etc without really flinching.

I haven't seen the Vasquez fight but from what I've read and heard, 3 of those knockdowns were slips.

Here, see:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z0Mg-dw16o

Check out the knockdown in the ninth, 1:06 seconds in. The canvas was slippery, but something was making Ronald's legs wibble & wobble like that. The canvas was slippy, as I said, & Wright did slip over a few times; the boy was discomfited, taken out of his stride. But the knockdown in the ninth at least -- no-one's ever come close to doing that to Winky. Or indeed the one in the tenth, where he gets sat on his arse. Or the one in the twelfth, where he gets sat on his arse again...

Vazquez -- though crude -- could punch very hard. He also decked Whitaker with a single left hand.

Winky, though, took Jim Watt's advice (from the commentary) -- it was his vast experience more than natural talent which won him fights & the undisputed title.

I still think the Winky of the Trinidad fight would outlast G-man, probably taking a points decision, but that's obviously contentious.

& I suppose I didn't exactly sway anyone by posting that clip of Winky getting flattened. Ho-hum, back to the drawing board...

[mickey1975]

Winky wasn't really as good as people make him out to be, he was like a lesser version of Hopkins.

Bored everyone to tears, gave rounds away and then had the nerve to bitch and whine about robberies. Vargas deserved to beat him and so did Jermain Taylor.

he wasnt.in his prime he was a master boxer